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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, let's see here. Trying to figure out dinner.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Now you know what we're talking about.

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Mariko Pitts: I know.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm like, every night I'm making dinner while I want to call, like, wait, who said that? You ate.

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Mariko Pitts: You ate earlier, though, didn't you? You ate earlier.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Well, well, it's also. It's also 9 o' clock here, not 8 o' clock here.

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Hera: Oh, that's right.

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Mariko Pitts: You guys are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I was like, goodness, no. And we don't have it all together at this Airbnb yet, so it's like, oh, we actually need to go to a proper grocery store. We hit the ground running for an event. Now we're like a little scrambled here. We need to properly stock. Proper stocking over stocking. Oh, my goodness. All right, so tell me, did you get the update of what Laura was talking about regarding Engine for Good and the bank account? And she really wants to go to Purpose Earth and all that.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: They don't. But they don't have a bank account. You can open a wise account. It takes a couple, three days. I mean, that's a non profit. Yeah, yeah, that's what I have. That. Mine's. You just have to have all the nonprofits. Yeah, mine's Wise or non profit twice. And then, I mean, that way you don't have to be there. You can also. You can also set it up with stripe to take multiple currencies and you can.

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Mariko Pitts: That would be good. Maybe we talk to them about doing that. Yeah, I mean, they just have to.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Do, you know, personal identification stuff and then business identification stuff, which is like send the documentation for the business and then any kind of like some other backup, like a couple of things. Anything that has the address on it. So I think that's about all it takes. And then it takes a day and then they open it and you're good to go.

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Mariko Pitts: Interesting. Okay, Well, we need to tell her, like, asap. Actually, did you know about that? Here. Good to see you, by the way. Where you been? I feel like we've seen you in forever.

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Hera: Oh, my gosh. I was. I was in Japan for five days for my mom and my brother's birthday.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: You just.

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Mariko Pitts: You just back home or you still going?

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Hera: No, no, I'm back home. If you saw me last week in a different background, I was in my hotel room.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, God. Okay, I see what you mean. Okay,.

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Hera: Well, I'm looking. He mentioned that he's going to be late, but where he is right now? He asked us. He said we can start without him,.

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Mariko Pitts: But yeah, I really just. Read. Center and stretch entered the waiting room. Interesting. Okay. Should I let them in? Am I on? I'm on my zoom, right? Okay, it's gotta be James. Breathe. Center and Stretch enter the waiting room. Let's see. I guess I can kick them out if it does. Not them. James, I hope that is you. It is. Okay, good. Oh, it's muted. Wait, you're muted.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It's me.

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Mariko Pitts: I was like, read, center and stretch. Whose account is this?

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Michael Shaun Conaway: I don't know if I should let.

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Mariko Pitts: This person in the zoom room. Here.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It's the name. It's the name of my phone. So that whenever I see, like, my phone or my WI fi or other people see my WI fi, it's a nice little reminder.

00:03:55

Mariko Pitts: Oh, well, I almost blocked you, so.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: That's good to know.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I guess I'm not logged in.

00:04:04

Michael Shaun Conaway: That's not a hippie. Let hippies in this thing. Yeah, not this call. We got other calls for that.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Sorry, guys. I'm in the car. I got my laptop. Wife is driving.

00:04:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm here. I wanted to see the. Well, there's probably. I just. Note not right now, but I just want to see the. The onboarding. The stripe integration thing. I saw it today. Alex was sitting there for count. She said, what do I do? And I said, click on the free button. Then after I did that, I'm like, wait a second. That's not a good idea. That was too easy. Maybe we don't want to have it that way. Or maybe I thought maybe we should revisit that in the call.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, I have the same thought. We should. We should discuss that. And also, it's a nice. I was talking to Avon about this. It should be working like this now. But when you go and check out with however much you're paying for the thing, it's a nice opportunity to. For the back end to load the profile so that if you do pay, you don't have to have that waiting period while it's creating your profile. You go and pay, you check out, you put in your info, and then by the time you're done, your profile is complete. But I. I actually think that we can rethink the whole sign up flow a little bit because I'd like for there to be less friction off the bat. And we're getting some feedback that it's a lot of questions.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: And they're big questions. They're. They're.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And they're big questions.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Alex, deal with it. It took her forever. I mean, like, there's like four, like four big, big questions. You know, tell me about yourself. That's the bio section. What's your purpose if you don't have one of those? What do you put there if you don't have one of those?

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: And then the next one is like, what am I looking for? I'm like, how many people really know what they're looking for? Most people don't actually. They're stumbling blindly through the forest. The forest.

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Mariko Pitts: 96% Percent of people don't know what they're doing here on this planet. So that's unfortunate.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: And then the next one is, you know, what can I offer? So there's, those are four big questions. So I wonder if you do maybe do the name, password, photo, then the sign up like the gift, the donation screen that we're looking at now. And then you say in order to do matching you have to answer these four questions. In order to get connected to other people you have to do the assessment and answer these four questions.

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Hera: You know what, that the floating checkbox from Mighty Networks really haunts me because it's like a really nice tiny fixture. When you're a new member in Mighty Networks, it just floats in your screen and it reminds you of some of the first things that you need to do to get really, to get onboarded. So it could be those four reminders for the payment. I'm like, let me know what you guys think. I'm like sensing a bubble like, like you know how like usually you'd have a chat bubble at the lower left. It can be in any part of this, of the page. But like something that, that's kind of like a permanent fixture this time. Something that will always like show up and remind them that they could always contribute to the engine for good.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely got some power for sure.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: We can also think about. Sorry, go ahead.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: In this case I was like something.

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Hera: That persists without being annoying.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. Same for the profile creation flow. So people aren't creating their profile off the bat. We can have a nice little reminder and maybe even when you hover over the modal, there's like the message icon and notification and there's the holon icon and notification and then there's space that used to be the dark mode switch. I mean obviously we don't need to fill that space with something unnecessarily, but that could be like a checklist for people to, for new users that keeps a little notification thing as long as they haven't completed their profile. And haven't done the assessment and whatever else we want them to do. Even like visit, like check out the map or whatever. We could have a nice little checklist for them when they log in to answer these questions. Do the seeking and offering, take the assessment at some point and then like explore the matching and the connection.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah,.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good idea.

00:09:07

Michael Shaun Conaway: It's a good idea. Or it could, I mean if it's too long a list, it also could just be the next two things you need to do.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Like.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, go to your profile.

00:09:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Go do yourself.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:09:18

Michael Shaun Conaway: You know.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, like reminders and things like that.

00:09:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: Go find yourself on the mat. But the problem of go find yourself on the map is we can't get that. I don't think that. I guess if they've, if the minute they, we could put in the database that they've been to the map and then, then delete it after that. I mean you have, you have to, to not have that up in there anymore once they do that. So.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Well, they can, we can have them see themselves on the map before other people see them on the mat.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And same with their profile. Maybe their profile doesn't show up in the directory until they've answered the first set of questions, but they can still see their profile and link to it. Because right now there's users in the system who haven't filled out the profile and they don't have an avatar. They won't show up on the directory so that we don't have a bunch of empty ones. But if you go to message somebody and search for them, you'll see them and they don't have an avatar and they just have their initials and a solid color.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. And what if they don't do their picture or something like that? I mean it'd be. I think it'd be cool to not let them. I think, I like that it's idea that, that they don't show up in the directory until they get their picture done. Like because there's so many, so many of these things you go to where you have all these profiles that are incomplete and then that the rest of the community experience gets degraded from crap.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Profile page. Yeah. I like the idea of forcing them to do a profile photo. I mean it doesn't even. It doesn't have to be a picture.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Of them,.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: But ideally it is good to see people.

00:11:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: It doesn't have to be a picture of them. No, no, it just has to be a picture. I mean, I don't care if the system knows what it's a picture of. But they have to have done something right. They had to made the choice. I think. I think that's a good idea at least.

00:11:26

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I think so.

00:11:29

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay.

00:11:30

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Because we use the pictures so much when people are in a hole on to see who's there if they're in the group chat.

00:11:40

Michael Shaun Conaway: Can you show us the stripe integration, the payment integration stuff right now?

00:11:46

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Sure. You mean what it looks like for the user?

00:11:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I just want to go UX experience. Unless you want me to do it by doing what? By signing up for a new account.

00:12:03

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, okay.

00:12:06

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, you can share. I'm. I cut my camera off just because I'm getting shaky Internet again. But I'm here.

00:12:13

Michael Shaun Conaway: I got you. Let me choose a strange Google account so I can not trigger all the other damn things that all the other accounts that I've signed up for for things with. Oh, I gotta get the URL. It's not gonna know it. Here I found that if you go to that. That link that that Hera had before the profile link or whatever it was that actually drops you into the middle of the flow. It doesn't drop you at the start of the flow. So here if you notice it goes straight to sign in. And this one, I think it was profile.

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Hera: Profile creation.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Yeah.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Just like that.

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Hera: Yeah, it was profile creation. Profile dash creation.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. This one dumps you into putting your photo in not the beginning of the process.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Oh yeah. This should not be accessible to.

00:13:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, that's why we need to. Yeah, we just need to make sure that people go. Go to this one. Members only.

00:13:29

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:13:30

Michael Shaun Conaway: And then.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah we took off the link. But if people go to the URL.

00:13:39

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, but it's just the courting that got that link mainly no one new will get it.

00:13:46

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:13:48

Hera: I will update the email then.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Hawaii. Just to make sure.

00:14:01

Mariko Pitts: You probably should put like Oahu or something.

00:14:04

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Right, that's what I was going to say.

00:14:06

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oow, Hawaii.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Any city.

00:14:12

Mariko Pitts: Wait,.

00:14:15

Michael Shaun Conaway: How about you choose a word we can spell. You're.

00:14:18

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: You're from there and you don't even know how to spell.

00:14:24

Mariko Pitts: My God. You're me up now I can't even say yeah. O A H U.

00:14:38

Michael Shaun Conaway: See what's my favorite place in Kauai.

00:14:40

Mariko Pitts: Is just do Oahu. O A H U O A H U. Yeah.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Great.

00:15:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: Only one password. One password. Pass. Right, now we can begin. Let's just get a profile some kind. Okay, so we have to do this. I'm just going to grab some copy. Oops, that's not the copy.

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Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And what.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Must be. Must be the wrong color. Oh, well,.

00:15:54

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: You don't have to do whatever you want. As we're looking at this, I'm thinking we could put the domains first, the questions. Where people select from the 12 domains. Because that's really easy for them to do. Low barrier. And then if we do ask them to write a bio, we could preface and say, like, you can always change this later. But, you know, just tell us freeform a bit about yourself to get things going. Something like that.

00:16:37

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. So this page, when you can see, even just try to get to that screen. I've already. I've had to do a lot. Right?

00:16:45

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:16:49

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, here we go. So I think. I think you're right. I think name picture and areas and then the support the community. Does this feel like it needs a little bit more description here?

00:17:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yes.

00:17:06

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, definitely.

00:17:08

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean, like, where's the money? Like, we don't even say where the money goes here.

00:17:12

Hera: Like the nature of the engine for good. The project. Maybe a link to Purpose Earth or some. Yeah.

00:17:19

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay.

00:17:20

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm gonna take a picture of it just to. Oh, yeah, this is supposed to say suggested as well.

00:17:28

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay.

00:17:28

Michael Shaun Conaway: We don't let them donate more than $100 a month.

00:17:33

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I'm also going to redesign it to make it one slider and have a toggle between monthly, annual, and we could do one time as well. Like one time payment.

00:17:43

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, yeah, just like one time donation. How long does that last?

00:17:48

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: If you're. We also have free.

00:17:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: But I don't. I think this is a gatekeeper for people who might want to sign up for micro grants.

00:18:02

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: So we need to articulate if there's two different levels, if there's a free level and a paid level. What. What are people getting?

00:18:14

Michael Shaun Conaway: What do you get? Well, it's. Yeah.

00:18:16

Hera: And.

00:18:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: And we have to also articulate that. I don't think we're talking about what they're getting. I think what we're talking about is that, you know, that, that you can. You can be on. Well, do we want anybody that doesn't want to pay a dollar a month, $12 a year? Do we want anybody that can't do $12 a year?

00:18:38

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: That's a great point.

00:18:41

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean, I think we use resources for every person that comes on this. This app, and it's more than a dollar a month more than likely to operate this. So if we could.

00:18:51

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: In the beginning, for sure.

00:18:53

Michael Shaun Conaway: If we could keep. If we could keep. If we could keep people off who aren't actually interested in being there. If we can keep them off, I think it's better.

00:19:02

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. We can always create codes or special links for if we want to bring people on and not make them pay. But I think it's a good idea to have a dollar minimum or $12 a year. Twelve is a nice number also.

00:19:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I think that's. I think with some kind of explanation that this is how we fund the micro grants. And so Your contribution is 100% given back to the community.

00:19:27

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:19:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: And you. And if you. If you. If you set up a whole on. We should think of some really sparse type. So I wonder if it's just one block that goes through one to. Yeah. I don't know what's. What's the top? A thousand. Yeah. One to a thousand. Then you click monthly or annually, and there you go. So I'm gonna just see what happens. Probably nothing happens. Right. It probably doesn't send me to a credit card to stripe right now at all. Does.

00:20:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Was. Yvonne might have changed that because it was just going to a sandbox, but it should have actually taken you to the checkout if you put in an amount.

00:20:18

Michael Shaun Conaway: I did. So it shouldn't be creating my profile. I shouldn't be waiting for it to create my profile. That should happen while I'm checking out for my.

00:20:28

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Oh, wait, no, he hasn't implemented this yet. We.

00:20:32

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:20:34

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: We were just. We were just talking about it last week. So it should take you. When this is done, it'll take you to checkout. Yeah. So instead we'll have this happen right away so you don't have to sit there waiting. But this is what the checkout looks like. And we can customize this as much as you can customize a stripe checkout, which is not a lot, but we can put a logo and an image in there.

00:21:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: Probably could put some copy block. Or we can put an image that has copy in it. Right.

00:21:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:21:06

Michael Shaun Conaway: That reminds me.

00:21:07

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:21:08

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay.

00:21:08

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. And then you can pay with card.

00:21:13

Michael Shaun Conaway: So if I do this right now, will any. Well, let me go beyond will. Let me go to the next step. If it's sandboxing.

00:21:20

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. It'll look like you're paying for something, but you won't be charged.

00:21:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay. That's all bad credit. It's all. I just. I've got a fake. I got fake data in there right now, but that's okay.

00:21:35

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:21:36

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:21:37

Hera: We have a fake door.

00:21:40

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Just share your whole bitcoin wallet and we'll take good care of it.

00:21:46

Michael Shaun Conaway: All of my. I'll put my Credit card was declined, so even in the. I guess I could put a real one in. But it's not, is it? Well, do I really want to do that? Have it run against my real credit card?

00:21:58

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It, it's, it won't really show you anything interesting.

00:22:03

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Okay, so if I pay and subscribe, it just kicks me back, right?

00:22:07

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. But if you go back, it should take you to your, your profile. Yeah.

00:22:15

Michael Shaun Conaway: Well that was interesting because we should have already.

00:22:18

Mariko Pitts: Wait.

00:22:19

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh well, so this is interesting. If, if it's, if that's the other thing. Is it after that window you could, it could bump to this welcome to your profile section and you can have a button that says, you know, start now or explore what.

00:22:34

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay.

00:22:35

Michael Shaun Conaway: So the only thing that's kind of amiss with that just a little bit is, Is that the person. If you just go to connectivity conference and you don't have an account, you can't even explore around, you can't even look around right now. That's the way it's.

00:22:59

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Right now. That's the way it is. And we can change that. But.

00:23:05

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, so this is what we get right now. If we, if we're not signed in,.

00:23:12

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: We should diagram this out. The sign up question, whatever.

00:23:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oops, oops we want.

00:23:31

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay. We went in a tunnel.

00:23:33

Mariko Pitts: Okay. Okay.

00:23:37

Hera: Oh my God. I'm wondering if you could also. I'm wondering if you should also add the menu bar when we're in pages like the profile creation and the whole line creation because like those pages don't have like a way for people to come back to either the homepage or other main pages of the the platform. I think we discussed that prior but we never.

00:24:23

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay, you're breaking up because those multi question. Oh no, I don't know why. I've got 5G here.

00:24:34

Michael Shaun Conaway: You're going to come in and out. We'll let you know.

00:24:39

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think, I think I'm through the forest now. The multi question flows, we really don't want people to leave halfway through because it's not easy to come back to that point. Even if we save the questions then they have to navigate through and so we just have the UI with no menu, which is pretty common for a signup flow.

00:25:02

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

00:25:03

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: But we can make it clear to the user what's happening and what step in the process are they in to make it more digestible.

00:25:26

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yes, because we've had this problems when people break out. Stop broke out all the way through. And we probably don't want to give them access to AI to help them write those things or get up with a ton of sloppy crappy stuff inside of our app. Although people are probably doing that anyway.

00:25:52

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, I mean AI helps a lot already because it takes whatever they write for seeking an offering and it will find the corresponding tags and it simplifies their bio into a nice pithy tag line and it does other things like that. But it still takes a few minutes to, to sign up and you know we want people to see what's, what's happening on there. Oh another thing I was thinking about so one we, we definitely want to articulate the engine for good and what are people actually paying for and contributing towards. But another thing I was talking to Yvonne about is how can we take the data of what goes through Stripe and bring it back onto the platform to make visible what's being raised so we can see how much money did it bring in this month, you know what are the funds that are in the system and then we can talk about articulating making visible where are they going. Things like that.

00:27:07

Michael Shaun Conaway: That would be interesting on the, I mean even on the signup page. Like, like I mean it's obviously it's not going to work when it's first started but you know X number of people have become, have become and not members that get, have signed up for giving gifts today.

00:27:30

Hera: We also need to check with Laura and Emmanuel how that translates to documentation or taxation or something. But I'm like yeah, I think, I.

00:27:40

Michael Shaun Conaway: Think we don't offer anybody a tax de will a letter no matter what. You know what, here's the reason why too. If you, if you, if in the non profit you get something you don't get a tax deduction unless what you're getting is less value than what you paid and you subtract the value of the thing you get from the thing you paid. So I just think we say there's no although you're giving to a 503C unless you're giving gifts of over $10,000 it's not considered. We're not going to consider it for.

00:28:12

Hera: Yeah actually I'm thinking more about the total number because you know how like back then Laura was. It took a while for Laura to say yes to be okay with us adding the full value of the 572k. I think she was not sure if she was referring that to the lawyers. But you know what I'm thinking too, you know in some e commerce sites and there's like a bubble that shows up when somebody purchases something it would be nice to have something like that when somebody contributes to, to the engine for good.

00:28:44

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, it's only, only going to work though if it's frequent or we're going to have to lie. Yeah, it has to be happening with enough frequency that people go, oh, that's cool. Or it never happens. Then if it's not so at the beginning, I think those things are pretty iffy kinds of feedback.

00:29:04

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. But if we could get a few, you know, if we could encourage the first members to start with a higher contribution, then maybe they'll continue with and we could show like, you know, these 50 people are contributing this, this much per month. Then people can see and when they sign up they're like, oh, I could give a dollar and bring that average down or I could, you know, contribute a little more if I'm. And you know, keep this momentum going. Not to like, I don't want to manipulate people or create too much social pressure, but I want to create a bit of social pressure and say like, yeah, we're all leaning into this and here's what we're doing. And it's small to start because there's only a few of us, but with only a few of us, we're, we're bringing this much money into the system. Think about what's possible if we share this, bring more people in and give a little bit more.

00:30:10

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think there's a lot of campaigning around that, either internal campaigning through the app or external campaign to the world. I don't think it's our problem to solve today though. No, I think we just need to get a functioning sign up flow. So just me just articulate what we're confronted with, with that stuff. We need to redesign the page so it's one to a thousand dollars. Whether it's every month build or, or every year build or one flat donation, one donation, not on a monthly thing. Maybe we start that a little bit higher. Whatever, whatever that number is, even a flat donation should be, you know, I don't know, 12, 12 bucks or more, something like that. And then, and we need something describing that, that hey, this is a gift. This is a gift to the whole of an app, whatever we kind of call it. I guess that's another conversation for us to have and, and the community and that 100 of the proceeds will be given back to the community in the forms of micro grants. So you're, you're literally funding the, the, the, the. Yeah. So I'm assuming somebody's got a. Yeah, somebody's got some, some fathom note, takers if you could just kind of grab some of that copy that I just said either send it back to me or work on yourself. So we make sure that we get something like that and then it needs to be a little bit lower friction getting on. So the first thing is can people browse the directory in the map probably before they sign up? I think there should be areas that are not accessible. My whole line's assessments and connections should be grayed out. And yeah, it should be able to see the cards on the map but not be able to click on them and go to their pages, I think. Okay, is that right? Does that sound right to you guys? That you shouldn't be able to go to the person's page if you're not?

00:32:21

Mariko Pitts: I think for now I didn't really understand.

00:32:25

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Eventually we might want to preview for people a bit about what a profile looks like. Yeah, maybe we show them the top half of things. But I don't want to make everybody's profile publicly available. It could. Clicking a profile could take you to like a demo profile perhaps.

00:32:46

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, let's do that.

00:32:47

Mariko Pitts: Maybe.

00:32:47

Michael Shaun Conaway: Maybe. Yeah, something like John, John Demo. John John Test profile.

00:32:55

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:32:56

Hera: Johnny Hollow Movement or a pop up with a, with a, with a gif.

00:33:03

Michael Shaun Conaway: That shows just an image of one of them instead of actually one of them. Yeah.

00:33:09

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: So people can see like oh, these are rich. There's skills here. There's a system, there's assessments.

00:33:16

Michael Shaun Conaway: How about, how about we do that something. How about we just. I want one pop up a little video or. Pop up.

00:33:21

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:33:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: Or a video that's like says hey, once you get into. Once you just become a. Once you, once you sign up, sign up. Once you do create your own profile, then you'll have access to and just show them what the assessment looks like. Show them what the. The how to connect people. Show them what Holons like. Like it's like a little 60 second simple video. Or it could be just a, like a carousel type thing with a bit of copy.

00:33:48

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

00:33:50

Michael Shaun Conaway: With a button at the end that says, says sign up.

00:33:54

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Sign up, give a dollar.

00:33:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: Come on. Damn it. We're not even talking about the money part. Okay, so that's. That helps. And then, then the next question is, is once they go to sign up, can they stop before they fill out those, those four or five profile questions or do they need to be prepared to sit to have 15 minutes to start this process?

00:34:18

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think we should split it up to have like a minimum barrier to entry to get people in there. You can see people you can add them to your hole on. You go to their profile and you see they haven't filled it out yet and you send them a message like hey, finish your profile. I can't wait to see what you put in here.

00:34:39

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah,.

00:34:41

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Then things will look a lot more fuller and people will be incentivized to complete it when they want to be do the matching or fit in with their peers.

00:34:52

Hera: Yeah, if you look at all the platforms, the sign up process is always like the most, is, is the most frictionless. They, they try to make it as frictionless as possible. That's what I want to say because I mean the, the conversion is like the first thing, the first hurdle that we need to address. So the, the, like the, the easier it is for people to sign up, the more conversion that we get. And then the next step is for us like figure out how to get them to complete the assessment. That's why like I think like the floating checklist would really be a nice addition to it.

00:35:31

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, so that would be a good addition, but maybe not in.

00:35:37

Mariko Pitts: Three weeks,.

00:35:38

Michael Shaun Conaway: Not maybe not immediately. Maybe like in June would be, would be a good time. Well, I think there's a, I think a couple of things I want to say is that I think, I don't think we're going to start with the general public and I think we're going to start with engaged community people. So even if we don't have the two part signup process, maybe when we start them in the signup process we say right at the top, hey, you know this, because this is a, this is, this isn't an entertainment app, this is a utility app. This is about connection, collaboration and community. It's going to take you 10 to 15 minutes to go through the profile creation process and just tell people from the very beginning so they don't get kind of caught out. And you can say, and you can just put very short answers in today and go update them but know that the answers you give in your profile are used in our, the way that we connect members to other members and so you, the quality of your connection will go down. I mean just a little bit of information for these more early adopter people but would be good. And then. Yeah, I think like, I think something like that, I think that would, would make it functional for people if we, if we had some little heads up. Heads up. It's going to take you a minute. You know, take, take your time. Really, really think about this. You know, kind of the way people have done now about their LinkedIn pages. They take a lot of time and effort on LinkedIn pages for sure, and you can't get through that really quickly. LinkedIn used to, did it, did a. I don't know if they did it anymore because my profile page has been good for so long, but they actually had some really cool gamification where they used to say, you know, like, give you a score on how close to having a completed profile we had.

00:37:37

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, I think they still do that.

00:37:41

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. I, I.

00:37:42

Mariko Pitts: But it doesn't really incentivize you for much else, so I don't. There's no incentive to finish it though, really.

00:37:48

Michael Shaun Conaway: But it could be that. I mean, if we can break it off, then we can say, hey, we can't do your, your we can't do connection for you until you fill out your profile.

00:37:56

Mariko Pitts: Exactly.

00:37:57

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean, maybe best just to. James, to tell us what is the. Like, we need the easiest routes to getting launched right now and then we can update as we go along. Because it would be really great to have next week, have to invite groups of people outside of the core team onto the app and see if we can get, get, you know, 100 people on there or 200 people on there in the next couple of weeks because we're gonna get into the wave and I, I would hate for that to be the first time that 400 people try to sign up and we.

00:38:34

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, that would be awful.

00:38:35

Michael Shaun Conaway: We have 250. 250 Problem cases. Speaking of problem cases, my friend James, where on this website do I. Where on this website do I say, other than what do we have on the menu here? App feedback? Is that where I have to go if I'm having a problem? Is there no customer support, tech support, or is this where it's going to work inside this feature? Requests and feedback.

00:39:06

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Oh, we should, for now we should add a support email and WhatsApp.

00:39:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Can we set up like a business WhatsApp phone number? What's the best way? I mean, that's so we. And boldly, we have Zendesk, which is a form that's on the app. Even on the mobile apps, which people rarely use. There's email, which people rarely use, and there's a link to WhatsApp, which they always use. It's kind of crazy how much people just want to chat, not, not go through any other form.

00:39:46

Mariko Pitts: That's true. I use the chat box when I usually need some service first. If that doesn't work, then I'll call, I guess.

00:39:53

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, this would. So it's A question, do we send them to WhatsApp? We also do a chat on the thing, but that means that we have somebody manning customer support one way or another. So what do we think about that?

00:40:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: How do we, until we can get a agent doing it? I think WhatsApp is good. I'm, I'm happy to monitor it every, every other day or so.

00:40:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: Well, we can, we can. Really helpful to have it together. I probably have something I could, somebody I could put on customer support at. What does Amy makes? She makes $9 an hour if we want to. I mean, so, I mean obviously is when we, when we're a grown up app, we'll have to have a grown up person looking for, looking after these, these things. But hopefully, hopefully just in the like next couple, three weeks, that's enough. Just, you know, looking after it. The real thing is what's going to happen during the wave because, well, I assume, James, you're not going to want to have your laptop out checking to see because if there's somebody having a hard time with the app.

00:41:06

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Well, but I'm sure I'm going to be worrying about that anyway and wanting to make sure it's great for everybody. Also, we could have a support avatar on here that people can message.

00:41:25

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

00:41:26

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And get support right in the messaging department, which is now really rich.

00:41:37

Michael Shaun Conaway: But the new, new message, new message frame. That looks good. But will they be able to get to messaging if, would they, would they even find messaging if they didn't have an account or I guess they got an account started maybe?

00:41:51

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: No. If they can't log in or something like that, then they're going to have trouble. But the thing is like, there's going to be a ton of baby boomers that are like, I can't log in. And we're like, did you try clicking the password reset button? And they're like, no. Then they do it and then that works. So that's something to be aware of as well.

00:42:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, that's, that's true. So your agent would help with that. Okay, so let's, let's put this on the, let's put this on the nice to have list. Like, I know this is going to happen. We're going to have customer support things. But let's just think about we need to get the app, we need to get the connection system functioning and how is that working this week? I'm just thinking all the things we.

00:42:47

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Need to get to Layer one is working really great. You should definitely test it out and give me feedback.

00:42:57

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay.

00:42:58

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It Uses lots of things now and it's all algorithmic, it doesn't use any agent. And then the layer 2 agentic response is getting very close. That's going to be really cool. That'll take you to a new page that shows what we talked about with the key responses. I'm just still working on getting that front end. Ui taking the data properly. But I can send you a demo just to show you what it looks like when two people get matched, what the output looks like and the text.

00:43:45

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm looking at ones right now. Can you see the screen, James, or.

00:43:50

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: No, I'm not seeing anything.

00:43:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'll share now.

00:43:55

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Oh, no, I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: So View profile is Jill's profile to view. Okay. I think this is so much better than what you had before, by the way.

00:44:08

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, Isn't that cool?

00:44:11

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I love it. It's much better.

00:44:13

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. So these are the people that are farther away. These are the people that are closer, like you and me. James, you should, you should meet this guy.

00:44:25

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I'm most aligned with Jeff too. Jeff is very alignable.

00:44:29

Michael Shaun Conaway: Mark, you and I are like, like so close. Just two sides of the divide. Although you got some points over my side, I have nothing on your side, but that's okay. We like, we nestle up against each other just fine.

00:44:41

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Something like that.

00:44:42

Michael Shaun Conaway: There's nothing wrong with that.

00:44:46

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It'd be really cool to get a ton of different people on here and see if you could get like a whole mosaic where you fill in the whole triangle. I won. That group would look like.

00:44:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I don't know. It's. It's. It's good. So I'm, I'm happy with, with this for now. Guys. What do you think? I mean, I think for.

00:45:04

Mariko Pitts: Pretty good about it.

00:45:04

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think for our launch. I think this is interestingly and interesting enough. I, I still think that we, we need a, a copy block about these. In these things, but I think that's going to take a little bit more. More work and finesse to say why.

00:45:21

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Click on Jeff's. Yeah, again. So I think actually Michael, Sean, you have to fill out your seeking and offering. Or.

00:45:36

Mariko Pitts: Let's see.

00:45:36

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Or you have and you just don't match with anybody. Do you have seekings enough?

00:45:43

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh yeah, I don't have seeking enough. I do have like one line. These are. This is horrible.

00:45:47

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay, so you have the lines but not the tags.

00:45:53

Michael Shaun Conaway: Do we have tags back then?

00:45:56

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think yeah. So if you select some tags, it'll automatically do it for you when you sign up. Now, but you must have created your profile before. That's the coolest part of the connection assessment now, because it'll show you primarily whose offerings match your seeking and vice versa. So it'll. And it'll tell me in plain English, like, Jeff is looking for these things that you're offering, and he's offering these things that you're looking for, and it's.

00:46:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: Like, oh, that's these tags. A list of things that we've said in our. What we're good at already. Is that. Is that where they come from?

00:46:34

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It's been generated by what people have already filled out and then.

00:46:40

Michael Shaun Conaway: So get more rich over time.

00:46:42

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yes, exactly.

00:46:43

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, great.

00:46:44

Mariko Pitts: Great. Yeah.

00:46:45

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And there's automatic correlations as well. So the offering, the seeking, doesn't exactly always match the offerings word for word. But I can't think of a good example right now. But on the back end, it knows which are connected.

00:47:03

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay.

00:47:03

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: So if I'm, like, seeking a mentor, for example, I wouldn't, you know, and maybe I'm offering mentorship, those things would be connected even though they're not the same word.

00:47:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, so now if I go back to connection. Should do a little bit more.

00:47:21

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Mm. You might need to do a hard refresh. Okay.

00:47:32

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oops. Nope. Login. Log out. That was. That was a option refresh.

00:47:47

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I haven't tested that. Actually, it might. It might run periodically.

00:47:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: Seeking the seeking offering tags. Yeah.

00:47:59

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, I see. I'll have a look at your offerings and see if I can match them with mine to get. To get that to show up.

00:48:07

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, great. I still think that. Still think that we're. It's worse. It's. It's. It's. Okay. Time to show how many people show up on this map, by the way.

00:48:18

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Right now, Everyone who's filled out an assessment.

00:48:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: So if in three weeks, that's 300 people, I'll see 300 people on here.

00:48:28

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Well, if we get 300, I'll probably set a cap and just show the top 50.

00:48:34

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, that's fine. You probably should go ahead and do that now. Then whatever will fit on that screen, on a phone especially, that can be. Yeah, that can be left dysfunctional. Okay, so other than the signup onboarding flow and then this connection thing we looked at, is there anything else that's outstanding on the list of things that we were supposed to do and work on or.

00:49:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I don't think so. Group chats are working great now.

00:49:09

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. By the way, when we make a hole on. Will it. Will it make a group chat?

00:49:14

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Uh, huh.

00:49:14

Michael Shaun Conaway: And when you automatically makes one.

00:49:17

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. And if you add a new member, it automatically adds them to the chat. And if you remove a member, it'll remove them from the chat.

00:49:25

Michael Shaun Conaway: It looks like we made the same hole on how did that happen? So maybe this. This was seven minutes ago. Mine was five minutes ago. Can I, can I make. Now can I make it go away?

00:49:35

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: That's a group. Did you make that group?

00:49:38

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. You made a group though, too?

00:49:41

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: No, that's the. The one is automatically created.

00:49:44

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, great.

00:49:46

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And I, I don't yet have deletion enabled that. I just. That was risky. But I can enable that so people can delete things, but I just don't want people to delete things accidentally because it deletes them forever.

00:50:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: Now is there. This is, this is great, by the way. I think this is a. This is definitely a. It looks fantastic. And I think it's, it's. I mean, and I know people don't want to chat more than one place, but I think it's really good. Good. Well done.

00:50:18

Mariko Pitts: We could use it. Actually, our core team are using a.

00:50:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: GIF here for your image. Yeah, we can use gifs. I know now we're going to have to animate everything. It looks great.

00:50:31

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And even, I mean, for really premium users, if you pay enough, we can build in an automation to animate your avatar or your Holon image automatically.

00:50:47

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm happy to be on this team. Okay, let me go back to Holons. Let me go to this core team. Hold on. Okay, so is there a, a space there? Not. Is there. It seems that there should be a space on this page, maybe up near to the top where you can chat or you can click a button where it just takes you straight to the group chat.

00:51:10

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I'll add that. Okay, that's easy.

00:51:13

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, manage. Hold on. That's. I think that made it so that I now understood that I should go there to add members. Okay, great. I think that's, I mean, I think other than the onboarding thing, I think we're, we're at least in a place of, of, you know, like, moving to the next step. What do you guys think?

00:51:33

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's just the. We need to get the stripe thing and all that handled.

00:51:39

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, that, that's part of the onboarding flow that we talked about.

00:51:42

Hera: And also testing. James, I'd love to ask how, how the core team is testing it so far from the back end. Do you have a lot of movement from the team? Because if not, I'm going to send another Follow up and you know updated links on where we want them to focus testing based on what we have now, new updates as of this week. So that. Yeah we can keep on improving it.

00:52:15

Mariko Pitts: Hi Alex. Hi.

00:52:19

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Hi Alex.

00:52:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm just supposed to be.

00:52:28

Mariko Pitts: I did you popping like a ghost.

00:52:29

Michael Shaun Conaway: Looking over the shoulder at the app. So.

00:52:32

Mariko Pitts: So let me.

00:52:33

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'll just show you this really quick. Can you invite Rachel like how. What she's on there. I'll show you that. These are the people that have invited to the core team pending invites that have not. That have not come on the app and re. And. And clicked on their invite. So if they get a pending, where do they get the invite into the. They have to be on the app to see the invite. Was it go to email? Yeah, you can go look on your computer. Where do they find it? Oh, I think on the whole. On my Holons page, I think that's what. What I remember they saved changes here. So we need to put. Take those people's names and put it into the core team and tell them to go sign in. I've been trying the shaming approaches. Just go and put it in the core team.

00:53:21

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: James, I can't hear you to something.

00:53:26

Michael Shaun Conaway: From now on we're only going to. So I think it shows up here on my whole ONS page to accept the invitation. Is that correct, James?

00:53:33

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: That's right.

00:53:35

Michael Shaun Conaway: I can actually. I can actually go on Alex's account really quick, I think and. And share that as a experience. Let's see.

00:53:45

Hera: I'm curious what everybody thinks about getting scheduling a call could be just an hour. Even less with all these people. That's that we're inviting to test the app and test it together so that we could get feedback right away.

00:54:00

Michael Shaun Conaway: And I think it's a brilliant idea. And I said the same thing to Michael Sean yesterday. The only way you're going to get people to actually test the app is to have LOL on a call at the time.

00:54:10

Hera: Same.

00:54:10

Michael Shaun Conaway: Same time. Make them do it. Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

00:54:14

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I remember the testing party.

00:54:16

Mariko Pitts: I remember the.

00:54:17

Hera: You were doing that the four of us, like Michael, Shawn and me and James were opening that.

00:54:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: We.

00:54:23

Hera: We found a lot of things because like there's. There's stuff. Not everybody will have the same experience and maybe what like for. For one person they might. I hope we're not. I mean the one person may encounter a bug and another may not, depending on, you know, their laptop, their settings, how they're using it. So it's nice to be able to.

00:54:44

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Their font size in their browser.

00:54:47

Hera: But it has to be organized though. Like maybe I could imagine like one person guiding the entire process and like saying, okay, let's, let's test this first and this one for. And then this one next so that we could all go through the same journey together.

00:55:06

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think that's a great idea. I'd be excited for that.

00:55:18

Michael Shaun Conaway: Let me just. Let me just show you where they see the thing really quickly. Let's make sure it's there and then, and then it'll be your turn for sure. Let's see, there's her page. She's just logged on. You arrive at the directory level and there you go. That's what it looks like. The accept and decline buttons being red and green are a little on the nose.

00:55:49

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, I mean there's a number of UI things that can get cleaned up.

00:55:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: A bit, but it's okay as long as it works right now. Just accepted.

00:55:58

Hera: Or maybe.

00:56:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: Like don't I get a. Thing that says look, you're in the middle now?

00:56:05

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. So I wanna. We wanna set up an email notification system. But also you see the red dot in the top right corner in this modal. So you hover over that and you can have a message. And if you had an invitation, it would have a red dot over those circles there.

00:56:25

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

00:56:26

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And that shows you that there's a whole on update.

00:56:30

Michael Shaun Conaway: Well, this is great because it actually updated the wall here. Everybody. I want you to notice that too, that this is all. This is all really great.

00:56:38

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Exactly, exactly. And we're going to improve the wall a bit. That's kind of placeholder UI right now. The messages beneath these things. And we don't need so many cards. But yeah, we can see when people join. We'll have image sharing.

00:56:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: So. So who are the people who didn't accept? I can tell you later. Okay. Seeing as it's we're after time limit,. When do you think we should set.

00:57:15

Mariko Pitts: Up that.

00:57:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Testing party? That's one thing. And when do we. When will we move to app? Holmovement.net is the second thing.

00:57:31

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: We want. Whenever I can get into GoDaddy, it'll take five minutes once I'm in there.

00:57:36

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, because that would probably be good to do before we keep going on so that it's really easy to get to. When are we going to be bold enough to put a link on. On the whole movement site?

00:57:53

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think we should.

00:57:54

Mariko Pitts: We also need to change the map.

00:57:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, we also need to change the map. That's true.

00:57:58

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: We need to change the map. And I think the, the sign up and the contribution flow is most critical. Let's nail that this week so that we can actually encourage people to contribute even if it's small. And I wanted to show you guys this with a month prototype.

00:58:16

Hera: Yearly.

00:58:18

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah. It's, it's too important. You're going to miss the boat if we don't have that up and going before this is launch. We got to get that out.

00:58:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: We have to have it. We have to have the onboarding flow certainly.

00:58:29

Hera: One time monthly and, and, and yearly and annually.

00:58:33

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

00:58:35

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And I wanted to show you guys this as something to think about. Probably not at the beginning, but this will tell you at different levels what's. What you're contributing to.

00:58:48

Mariko Pitts: I like it.

00:58:49

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And that's all editable. So something to think about for the future. We can also start to collect more data and examples of what, what's been funded on Purpose Earth and things like that. Sure.

00:59:06

Michael Shaun Conaway: We can say things and, and we can pick up stuff that's just from that. The whole lines that ask for a micro grant.

00:59:16

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Right off the bat cool things are.

00:59:19

Michael Shaun Conaway: Going on and cyclone through and basically we could have an agent that just skims through all the applications and says, says what are the cool figures out the coolest things to pop in there.

00:59:29

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. And we can even have that.

00:59:31

Michael Shaun Conaway: That had a very nonprofit feeling and that's what we want. We want to have this thing as feeling like you're, you're donation. But I think maybe more than donation because it's, it's a, it's a, it's a share donation or share gift.

00:59:45

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: A contribution.

00:59:47

Michael Shaun Conaway: Contribution.

00:59:47

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, it could be contribution your support.

00:59:51

Michael Shaun Conaway: Work, your energy contribution.

00:59:55

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Charge the. Charge the battery. Charge the collective battery.

01:00:00

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. And that, that there again I think having on there that this all comes back to you. So as of next Monday, we are three weeks away from all being in Lisbon. As of next Monday. As of next Monday or Tuesday.

01:00:20

Mariko Pitts: Sorry.

01:00:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay.

01:00:22

Mariko Pitts: Is that right?

01:00:23

Michael Shaun Conaway: As of next Tuesday, it's two weeks from being together in Lisbon. So we're three weeks. As of tomorrow, it's three weeks of being together in Lisbon. So when are we two weeks? Not three. No, tomorrow. When are we planning to launch this to our email list? I guess the first people who are going to be invited to join the app. I think it's first of all to the, I think it's first to our near community and probably the people who've signed up for the wave. Not just the email list in general. Yeah, kind of a crafted thing to them. Then I think as we get closer, who is coming to the wave as a representative of a network like a pro social or. I know all the people in the masterclass were super excited to check it out. Those aren't really large numbers, but there are some people that will have networks that are large numbers. So we don't. We don't need a large. We don't need large numbers. We just need. What we really need is. I mean, if we at least hit 100 people on there by the wave, that would be a good thing.

01:01:30

Mariko Pitts: That would be solid. Yeah. 100 People is a good number to start with.

01:01:34

Michael Shaun Conaway: And would that be that communication going out next week then? Well, yes. I mean, if we're. We're going to have everything buttoned down by the end of this week,.

01:01:45

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Then.

01:01:46

Mariko Pitts: I think we need to shoot for that. But we need to figure out the bank account thing, because if Laura doesn't want to do. If she wants purpose hurt to be it, we need to get her on. Not like asap, Michael. Sean, you think you can take that on and get her? Because it's wise. We didn't think about wise. And we need to get that, like moving asap. If we don't get that, then right now this whole thing is just delayed. Okay.

01:02:08

Michael Shaun Conaway: She didn't ever communicate with that with me, but I can use that.

01:02:11

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:02:11

Michael Shaun Conaway: You were the one who shared this with us. Yeah, Mara. Because she didn't communicate.

01:02:15

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. But she did say she didn't want to utilize your nonprofit. Right.

01:02:20

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. No, I just. I just wanted to say that. I'm just saying it's coming from you. Yeah. What I'm just saying is.

01:02:25

Mariko Pitts: No, it's. I'm only saying that just because you had a solution for a bank rather than Chase or Wells Fargo and States, so. Yeah. And you could probably help her with that. I don't use wise. I know that's a. That's a big thing over there where you guys are.

01:02:40

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

01:02:40

Mariko Pitts: And you're up and stuff. But I don't.

01:02:42

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, it's wiser. Or Revolut is the other bank. That's really.

01:02:46

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:02:47

Michael Shaun Conaway: Digitally only, digital only banks. So he's texting her now and then maybe we can walk her through it tomorrow.

01:02:52

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Because we were looking at, like, Chase or some of the bigger banks. But she has to be in person or we have to. We are voting in a treasurer for purpose of basically on the. On the ground to do this. We need to move this faster. And she. She's the main you know, obviously the signer. So she can just create a wise.

01:03:11

Michael Shaun Conaway: They have a bank account at all?

01:03:13

Mariko Pitts: No, we have two, but none of them are connected. We have Wind Trust and Charles Schwab, which was just like. It's. It's like there's a bank account that doesn't work with Strike. Okay.

01:03:25

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Okay.

01:03:25

Mariko Pitts: Awful.

01:03:26

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, so then we need to have. We need to have the 40 ASAP if you're gonna have it all wrapped up by Friday.

01:03:36

Hera: Should we do it Friday or do you want.

01:03:39

Michael Shaun Conaway: That's too late. Friday's too late, isn't it?

01:03:43

Mariko Pitts: What do we need? How many.

01:03:45

Michael Shaun Conaway: How much do you need to get the things that you. Sorry, just because I'm jumping in on the end here. Things that you have to work on. When would you be ready to have the testing party?

01:03:59

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I could hustle people if people want to do it on Wednesday or Thursday. Are we thinking like a dozen people?

01:04:06

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:04:09

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. You guys have a meeting on Thursday.

01:04:13

Hera: Or what about doing it after the core team poll? Or like transition positioning?

01:04:20

Michael Shaun Conaway: What about before the core team call or whoever. It's just timing, I think. Send an email out. Or we could send a. In the core team call. Send a. A poll.

01:04:30

Hera: There's a pro social call right before the.

01:04:34

Michael Shaun Conaway: Is pro social still going on or we done? It's done. It's over.

01:04:37

Hera: Oh, okay.

01:04:39

Mariko Pitts: Oh, we can go back to our regular scheduled time then. And if that's the case, then maybe we can use that hour, but before the core call to then do the testing. Test, since that is done. Like, we'll keep the core call at the current time right now and then use the pro social time for a test.

01:05:00

Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, no, there's one other thing about wise, though. I think you can set up the account really quickly, but I don't know if you can get the account details like the bank account numbers.

01:05:10

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Right.

01:05:10

Michael Shaun Conaway: Like, instantaneously.

01:05:12

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: That might take a few. The bank account numbers to start a stripe account. We just need a stripe account and you just need the bank account numbers to get money out of.

01:05:23

Michael Shaun Conaway: To get the money out. Okay, great.

01:05:24

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. So.

01:05:26

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Because that's. If I remember, that's the case with our stripe as well.

01:05:30

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. It should just take a few minutes.

01:05:34

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:05:35

Michael Shaun Conaway: Also that. The great thing about that is with wise is you can get account deals, details for Euros, like a IBAN number, UK numbers, US Numbers, and put them into stripes. So instead of having stripe do the currency conversion, you can have white. You can just hold currency in those different Denominations. Or you can use wise, really competitive rates as well.

01:05:55

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

01:05:56

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, we're gonna want to add a currency selector then. And I. I'd put that in the pipeline.

01:06:07

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. If it could be local, if it could be geotagged. That's. That's great.

01:06:14

Mariko Pitts: Say that again. We're going to need a what to be able.

01:06:17

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: When people sign up, if we're going to accept multiple currencies, we need to give them the option to choose a currency.

01:06:25

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

01:06:27

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And eventually we'll want to have crypto probably.

01:06:32

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:34

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And gold. People can send in gold. Cattle beads, Glint eggs.

01:06:45

Mariko Pitts: Glints. Have to send digital gold.

01:06:49

Michael Shaun Conaway: Diamonds. Nice.

01:06:51

Mariko Pitts: It's great.

01:06:51

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Oil. Barrels of oil.

01:06:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, now you're getting silly. Okay, so just look, if, if you. Yeah, if we need to do something else, let's do something. If we, if, if they can't get it together, we can always set up. Or I can always set up a stripe account with imaginal. I probably need one anyway. Although nothing's coming up my brain for me right now. It doesn't cost anything to set one up. And we can use it until they get that working five or ten days from now. Whatever. Or. Or we just let Mario you go.

01:07:33

Mariko Pitts: Like, unless anybody who signs up for an annual, monthly or annual or monthly or any of those donations, then it all has to change when a new. It's a whole new account holder. A new bank.

01:07:45

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, no, it's true. Well, or you just keep those 10 people on. On the original one and.

01:07:51

Mariko Pitts: Oh, it's a pain in the ass, though.

01:07:52

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

01:07:55

Mariko Pitts: We can't, like, open it up wide until this thing is handled.

01:07:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: So let's say let's. Let's light a fire. I did that in the table group. Mars. So you can follow up and say, hey, we really need to get this done tomorrow.

01:08:06

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly. We need to open up the account tomorrow. She needs to work on the account tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay. I popped. I popped all the information about that.

01:08:15

Mariko Pitts: Okay, great. And I'll, I'll pinger and just said, hey, we talked about this. We need to get this up and go on asap if we can.

01:08:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, great.

01:08:22

Mariko Pitts: Get it moving. That'd be great. Okay.

01:08:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, great. This is. This is. These are all really good things to be dealing with.

01:08:28

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, cool.

01:08:29

Mariko Pitts: But everything else, like, feeling really good about this. James, Great job. Yeah, really good.

01:08:33

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Awesome.

01:08:33

Mariko Pitts: Pushing it like crazy. This is amazing.

01:08:35

Michael Shaun Conaway: There's been some. Some nice, tasty upgrades for sure. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:40

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It's feeling really good.

01:08:43

Michael Shaun Conaway: And I'm excited for all the stuff that I have been talking about with Kevin Triplett as far as you know, further, further looking at how we. We create deeper levels of orchestration, the capacity to use some that to evolve and develop the project management and then project intelligence. Because you have project management across Holons then you have the ability to use the AI to see when there's duplications of the. Of efforts and who, who needs to combine efforts on things or maybe somebody's already solved for something that I think that's a, that's. That could be really cool for his community because they're, they're developing protocols and obviously you don't want to redo work or duplicate work in that environment and that could, that might be something that helps them. But also it starts to become like a super value add for being on the. The the on the site. Because we have the ability to, to. To. To not just collaborate within our group but actually use the resources of the whole community. I think that's going to be a. It's a, it's a killer. It's a killer feature if you ask me. Like when that, when that, when I kind of got that out of what they were looking for, like we could provide that. I thought oh my, that's. Nobody does nobody even thinks like that. Not only does nobody offer that feature, but nobody even thinks that. Normally groups that are competitive would never want to share their work product. I mean GitHub maybe you find things on there or the open source movement to a certain degree is like that. But, but to, to have just for everyday people that they could, they could collaborate or share the parts and pieces and steps of their projects with one another I think is really cool.

01:10:23

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:10:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: And obviously they don't want to share that. They shouldn't put it up on the site.

01:10:28

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. We should think about a project's post type so people can post their projects. I've got side projects that I want to be more collaborative that I want to put out there and just make visible so people can see like oh, I'm working on a similar thing.

01:10:44

Michael Shaun Conaway: Is like a projects to Holon process. Is there like a transformation process? Transform your project into a Holon. Here's the first thing. Upload your project into the the to the space.

01:10:56

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Invite people and I think Holons could have multiple projects. Sure. You know building this app is a project and projects could be connected to people. Put a project up there that, that needs a Holon.

01:11:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

01:11:12

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: And we could have Holons that need projects. Yeah.

01:11:15

Michael Shaun Conaway: And then we've also invented this. This idea of hubs, or at least Emanuel invent stuff that he doesn't know he's inventing because he just says something and then I. That I run with it. So hub is a collection of a number of projects and holons. So that's a hub. So if Kevin comes on, we just call his thing a hub for Project Weave.

01:11:40

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:11:40

Michael Shaun Conaway: And then you. You got. You and your document you and Marco worked on talked about having the ability for people to. To have their own walled garden inside the app where they could have their own members and their own stuff. I would stand to say that maybe we don't want to do that. Maybe we want everybody to have their own hubs in the space. But to have. To really not encourage separation, to really encourage that people are part of the greater whole. They can go in their hub and interact on things in their hub. But I think the whole ecosystem should benefit from anybody that's on it. So that's something. I didn't mess with that too much. I just kind of left it.

01:12:21

Mariko Pitts: I don't think we were thinking about, like, where other people can't connect. It should just be multi tenant, essentially.

01:12:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I don't.

01:12:28

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah.

01:12:30

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think I read it as like, oh, does this mean they get their own version of it? Kind of like more like white label version version or so. Yeah, I think as long as they're in the same environment, that's fantastic. And then it really becomes a little bit like, you know, the. The early, you know, cyberpunk worlds in a way. Like all these, you know, nested groups of people and collections of things going on in the. In this virtual environment. I think it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool to think of. Of kind of the holonic nature of it all, you know, nested holes inside of each other's. It's cool that we're building something that can work like that. Have another conversation about the name. We haven't had another conversation about the night name. Maro. Maro. Why couldn't you just like the damn name?

01:13:15

Mariko Pitts: I can't.

01:13:16

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Jeff.

01:13:20

Mariko Pitts: Respect Jeff again, calling it Jeff.

01:13:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: What do you call it? The Garden. I like the garden analogy. Yeah, no, it's. All these things are really tough. I just. Look, Maro, you're the only one that didn't like Holus. And we need a name this week. No, we don't need a name this week. I'd really like to have a name, by the way. I'd like for us to be able to have our Our. Our. Don't we need it? Are we just calling it the app for right now? We just call it the whole movement app for right now.

01:13:42

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

01:13:42

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean we could always go with Holy Movement, Holo Movement OS as a. As a stand in as well. But. Well, let's. Let's do some chat back and forth in our group. I just, I did a bunch. I did some more brainstorming today and did not come up with another thing that, that felt good. So I mean, brainstorming, AI Brainstorming. What about this? What about this? What about this? What about this? I think it's fixed with this. Mix this or that. I thought yeah. OS on the end of. Yeah, I think Mario, Mario didn't. Marco didn't read it as Holo os.

01:14:15

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I think we won't really see the thing until people are, are really using it and when we can see it in action and feel it. I feel like a name will be easier to.

01:14:31

Mariko Pitts: I agree.

01:14:32

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Align around.

01:14:33

Michael Shaun Conaway: We want to do roll ups at the wave to get people to onboard people at the waves. So would we want the name up by then? Well, let's see what we can do. We may or may not do that.

01:14:46

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah, we'll see what emerges between now and then. But if it's the Hollow Movement app, that's fine. Maybe we have a name.

01:14:56

Mariko Pitts: I mean, I still like. I mean out of it. Yeah. I like Holon os. So hold on.

01:15:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: OS might. Might work for everybody. That's just one. One extra confused about Holons. I know like it means everything to you guys. But someone who.

01:15:10

Mariko Pitts: What do you think holos mean?

01:15:13

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, it's kind of like Google though, a little bit. People don't really give a what it means because it kind of sounds cool. Isn't that. Isn't that a Greek island? Lesbos and holos.

01:15:23

Hera: So they're like right next to each other domain names.

01:15:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: Well, I think it. With holos, it's a play on I'm going to holiday in Holos isn't a great principle. Ask.

01:15:36

Mariko Pitts: Well, if you don't even know what it means, we get a problem. Which is because it sounds cool. That's the whole problem.

01:15:44

Michael Shaun Conaway: Does it mean something other than what we think it is?

01:15:47

Mariko Pitts: Hollow.

01:15:48

Michael Shaun Conaway: Is holos a specific thing?

01:15:53

Mariko Pitts: It's whole. It's wholeness. It just means whole actually. Yeah.

01:15:57

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, well we got that.

01:15:59

Mariko Pitts: Or holes if we're gonna make it plural.

01:16:09

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: But it's funny when you, when you spell it. Yeah.

01:16:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: Just Holos is the Greek word complete. Yeah. Instead of holos, it's Holos. Oh, that's interesting. It just means whole. Well, what does holon mean? How does it define holon? I don't know.

01:16:26

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: A holon is a whole that's made up of parts. That's a part of a larger concept.

01:16:32

Michael Shaun Conaway: That builds directly on Holos. And it was introduced by the writer and systems thinker Arthur Kossler. Who's he? He's a writer and systems thinker. Yeah.

01:16:46

Hera: Well, to be fair, most times he's.

01:16:48

Michael Shaun Conaway: The one that invented whole Archy.

01:16:49

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:16:50

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

01:16:51

Hera: Well, to be fair, most of the names of tech platforms don't really make sense. Like Google didn't make sense when they first came out.

01:16:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: That was stupid when they first came out. I was alive then.

01:17:01

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:17:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: I thought, oh, my God, what are these guys talking about? I know.

01:17:05

Mariko Pitts: Definitely felt stupid. Okay.

01:17:08

Michael Shaun Conaway: It needs another search engine is what I said.

01:17:10

Hera: Like, most of them, actually, most of them don't really make sense. It's like as long as they have repeating syllables or repeating letters. Like, for them, it's kind of like a cool. And it's short. It's a cool app name, but. And it takes.

01:17:24

Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm just gonna call it tick Tock or WhatsApp. You'd think I was crazy, right? WhatsApp is horrible. WhatsApp is actually a bad name. It's also really clear. Tog.

01:17:38

Mariko Pitts: Signal's good.

01:17:39

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Signals Cool. Telegram.

01:17:41

Michael Shaun Conaway: There was a band called Orange Juice, and I. I thought it was the stupidest name to call a band. Orange Juice.

01:17:47

Mariko Pitts: What the.

01:17:48

Michael Shaun Conaway: Is that. That the best you can do? Tears for Fears? There's a band name. Band name in the 80s. Oh, my God.

01:17:57

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: It's not a tech platform, though. You know, it's a nonprofit. It's a community for forward. It's a collaboration.

01:18:05

Michael Shaun Conaway: Still a short. A short. A short, punchy name is. Is pretty good.

01:18:08

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah. Yeah.

01:18:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: I still vote for whole lots. And everyone else on the core team did, too.

01:18:16

Mariko Pitts: Except you.

01:18:17

Hera: America.

01:18:19

Michael Shaun Conaway: Actually, I think got a manual to say yes.

01:18:23

Mariko Pitts: I know he's probably. But he probably gave in because so many people said it. He goes with the consensus too. I bet. He wants Hola movement. I know he wants hol. Yeah, he just wants Hol movement. And then you're saying holos, like holos. And it's like when I read that, because it's actually a coin term, it's like holo. So it's almost just like holos.

01:18:45

Michael Shaun Conaway: Actually, the Greek. The Greek name. It is. It is the Greek. Holo is. Is Greek. Is English for Greek. Holos. So it's the Greek version of Holo. That's all it is. I've got the, I've got. Yeah, here, I'll put it in here. This is, this is what. This is what it. That's a Greek spelling in the, in the, the Roman. You've got hollow nos. I just trying to think of Holland os. So that's the one I just put in there. It's holos. That's the Greek. We could just use the Greek word.

01:19:17

Hera: Let's ask the core team. Because, I mean, I, I voted for Holos because I thought we were looking for a name that's not Hollow Movement. But that being said, Holo Movement is also cool. And I think if this is problem.

01:19:31

Michael Shaun Conaway: Is that if people start thinking that Holo Movement is an app, it's.

01:19:34

Hera: The app is the app.

01:19:36

Michael Shaun Conaway: And now we actually have another problem. It's like, oh, no, we've. We've just dumbed Hola Movement down to our, our operating system.

01:19:44

Hera: We could do a whole movement OS or Whole Movement Movement App or Holos. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. I feel like we don't have to stray too far.

01:19:57

Mariko Pitts: From what it is.

01:19:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean, there's other words too, you know, you know, coherence OS or collaboration OS or whatever. Those, those kinds of things that collab os, I don't know. They're just, they're just all. Each one of them has its own problems, for sure.

01:20:15

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:20:15

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, so let's, let's just chat about that. It's getting late, so let's wrap this up and, you know, I, I, in general, I think we'll get something that, that sounds good and works, and I don't think it takes us months and months. I think it takes us days and days. As an agency, we did a bunch of naming stuff, and it always kind of. It's hard, but then at some point it starts rolling downhill, like something sparks something else and you start getting some momentum out. Let's consult the Oracle. Yeah.

01:20:45

Mariko Pitts: What about, like, sync, like from Synchronicity? Spelt like sync.

01:20:52

Michael Shaun Conaway: Like in sync.

01:20:55

Mariko Pitts: In sync. I don't know. God, this is awful. Oh, my God.

01:21:07

Michael Shaun Conaway: Syncos. Cincos. Cincos.

01:21:12

Hera: Cinco. Cinco is the mayo cinco.

01:21:24

Mariko Pitts: Polos and holists and donut holes and.

01:21:28

Michael Shaun Conaway: All the rest of it.

01:21:30

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Let's all sit with it. Allow.

01:21:33

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think Circle was a good name for community plan. I don't. I think Circle sucks too, because Circle K, like, Circle K is out there. You can't just call somebody something. I don't think it was that bad. I always think a circle has no.

01:21:46

Mariko Pitts: Beginning and no end. I can't like.

01:21:49

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I like it so much better than Mighty Networks, too.

01:21:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: Lowe's, Buddy Press.

01:21:57

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:21:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.

01:21:58

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: I don't like name.

01:22:01

Michael Shaun Conaway: Hilo didn't work either. That what you do? I got myself a four wheel drive. It goes high, low. You got this shifter in the middle. It's a little one that says high, low. That's not funny.

01:22:15

Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

01:22:17

Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, Marcos needs to go find. He gets to find some food. We gotta go to bed.

01:22:21

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Yeah.

01:22:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: All right, guys.

01:22:23

Mariko Pitts: Okay. All right.

01:22:24

Breathe, Center, and Stretch: Good night, guys.

01:22:26

Mariko Pitts: Leaving you guys.

01:22:27

Michael Shaun Conaway: Goodbye.

01:22:29

Mariko Pitts: Great work.