Following the successful Wave event and Activation Day, the team gathered to assess the state of the Holomovement app and chart the path forward. Michael Shaun Conaway opened by framing three umbrella topics for discussion (03:47): future development paths (including features and potential native app versions), the interoperability conversation that requires strategy before development, and immediate cleanup needs based on emerging user feedback.
The team agreed to start with cleanup priorities since people are actively using the platform, then move into strategic conversations about online learning, the Engine for Good integration, notifications, and broader ecosystem vision.
Michael flagged a critical gap (04:30): users currently cannot delete their accounts or delete a whole Holon. This is a GDPR violation and must be addressed quickly given the significant European user base. The team also identified that users cannot remove themselves from Holons they've been added to, creating an unwanted-membership problem.
Several Holons have ended up with massive member counts because creators appear to have bulk-added everyone they knew. The team discovered that on Holon setup, invited members get added automatically and only need to accept on edit (09:48). Key fixes needed:
Michael demonstrated several small but important UI improvements (06:48):
The map is filling in beautifully — forming honeycomb shapes around hubs like Lisbon, Portugal, and Spain. However, as density increases, dots overlap and the map loses functionality at zoom levels. James confirmed dots should proportionally shrink as users zoom in (13:53). [tag="mapbox"]
[technology="Directory Systems"]
James identified the main barrier to daily usability: notifications on mobile (19:33). The web app installs as an icon and looks like a real app, but lacks proper push notifications. The team explored three paths within app development (22:43):
Michael proposed an architecture (21:11) where a shared database serves the web app and mobile apps, with the desktop functioning as the experimental space and mobile apps as the "locked, ratcheted-down version." New features develop on web, get tested, then push down to mobile. He offered to get cost estimates from his Mexico-based app team, who are highly efficient.
James noted he wants to preserve easy development and avoid getting locked into something expensive to edit. The team also discussed defining a minimum function set for mobile — possibly just messaging and profiles initially — since deeper work like courses may be better suited to desktop. Interestingly, Michael noted that Boldly course users predominantly engage on mobile despite the small keyboard.
James reported that multiple people at the Wave approached him about putting their courses on the Holos platform (26:39). He shared a compelling case study: Nicholas, an indigenous leaders facilitator he met at the Wave, runs a six-week live course currently hosted on Mighty Networks. His use case represents a great pilot — live video sessions plus resources, with Holos taking a portion and the course creator taking a portion.
Michael offered to explore embedding the Boldly LMS into Holos as a non-profit piece of the ecosystem (27:51) — it's already finished and working, with a great authoring experience. James confirmed he's already built an LMS interface that's been ready to deploy, designed to handle both pre-recorded and live course formats with materials, session recordings, progress tracking, and chat integration via the Holon wall. [tag="claude"]
[technology="Online Learning Platforms"]
The team explored having courses be Holons — with cohorts automatically becoming persistent Holons after course completion so participants stay connected (35:11). Michael flagged that this needs a glossary conversation: Susan has been working through the evolving definition of what a Holon is, and adding "courses are Holons" may need careful framing. Hera noted the team has had ongoing taxonomy conversations and previously considered terms like "hubs" or "chapters" for geographically anchored groups versus topical or purpose-based Holons.
Michael suggested 50% of any course price flows to the Engine for Good as a baseline (41:03). Hera built on this: as users donate for a course, they could pick a Purpose Earth project they want to support, making them feel part of the impact. Michael flagged this as a 2.0 feature — and warned of the risk that "popular" projects could win over "meritus" projects, or that people could game the system. Mariko offered a middle path: users select a theme (like sacred ecology) and funds distribute across projects within that category.
[technology="Custom Membership System"]
Mariko named email notifications as her top priority (44:14). James described a vision (44:21) for a layered notification ecology:
Michael built on this with the idea of a daily dashboard on login (43:14): notifications, Holon activity, chat updates, and Engine for Good fund totals visualized as drops filling a canister. He referenced an AI app called Alters that does psychedelic journey tracking and surfaces emergent community themes — suggesting a similar "temperature of the day" digest for Holos.
[technology="Communication Automations"]
Mariko raised the resource library question (46:42): the team has substantial meditation content, songs, and media ready to bring on board. She proposed AI-driven recommendations triggered by check-in questions like "How are you feeling today?" — pulling from tagged library resources to recommend a walking meditation, a song, or a piece of content. Hera confirmed a partner has already been creating content specifically for this purpose. [tag="claude"]
James noted the resource library can exist as its own organ — designed for both humans and agents — so users could query it via their own AI assistants.
[technology="Community Facilitation Tools"]
James raised the importance of building both private and internally-public design patterns (49:09). For surfacing community pulse, private messages would either be excluded entirely or processed only through local models in a closed environment — never sent to Claude or OpenAI. [tag="supabase"]
Michael advocated for a full privacy and data security audit as part of the native app build (51:24), noting the gold standard is logon data stored on-device with only encrypted user IDs on the server. The team also flagged that the homepage globe displays member names and locations without explicit opt-in — a feature toggle for visibility is needed. A cookie consent banner is also required for European compliance.
[technology="Custom Membership System"]
Hera and Michael revisited the evolving taxonomy (37:12) — geographically anchored Holons (potentially "hubs" or "chapters"), topical Holons, course-cohort Holons, and the financial steward layer. James suggested a hierarchy of Holons: baby Holons, established Holons, and qualifying criteria for funding eligibility. Michael committed to drafting a document to capture this thinking.
Michael floated an exciting concept (01:06:30): once a Holon reaches ~30 members, the app could spawn an AI-facilitated Activation Day experience. Critically, AI would facilitate the mechanics — questions, pairings, time-keeping — but humans would do the synthesis. James highlighted the data goldmine potential: when paired participants write down each other's responses, you get vastly richer data than self-entry.
[technology="Time-Aware Toolsets"]
Michael offered the framing that anchored the strategic vision (01:08:47): "Everybody else has already developed all the things individuals need. We should focus on what's between people — the dialogue, the collaboration. Nobody is designed for that." James has been articulating this for years — naming his work around it. Michael added the provocation that "personal development is dead — it's now the age of collaborative development," describing Holos as a deep blue ocean far from any populated shore.
The team celebrated the Wave's impact. The map lit up dramatically after the final dinner, with Portugal becoming dense with new members. Hera noted the activation Day swarm of Holon creation. Major Lisbon tech figures attended the infrastructure section. The live video chat James ran while waiting for the broadcast drew 18 enthusiastic participants for nearly an hour. [tag="daily"] [tag="talkjs"]
[technology="Video Conferencing Solutions"]
The team agreed the global broadcast should be delayed by a day next year, with separate production teams, earlier marketing, and ideally two or three smaller broadcasts beforehand to work out the bugs.
Michael and James will meet later this week to map out development domains so the next team meeting can prioritize what's most important and define timing. Mariko is holding off on broader email-list invitations until the email notification system and core cleanup fixes are deployed. The current waiver-only test population is providing strong feedback without overwhelming the platform.
James Redenbaugh
Michael Shaun Conaway
Mariko Pitts
Hera
James & Michael (joint)
Following the successful Wave event and Activation Day, the team gathered to assess the state of the Holomovement app and chart the path forward. Michael Shaun Conaway opened by framing three umbrella topics for discussion (03:47): future development paths (including features and potential native app versions), the interoperability conversation that requires strategy before development, and immediate cleanup needs based on emerging user feedback.
The team agreed to start with cleanup priorities since people are actively using the platform, then move into strategic conversations about online learning, the Engine for Good integration, notifications, and broader ecosystem vision.
Michael flagged a critical gap (04:30): users currently cannot delete their accounts or delete a whole Holon. This is a GDPR violation and must be addressed quickly given the significant European user base. The team also identified that users cannot remove themselves from Holons they've been added to, creating an unwanted-membership problem.
Several Holons have ended up with massive member counts because creators appear to have bulk-added everyone they knew. The team discovered that on Holon setup, invited members get added automatically and only need to accept on edit (09:48). Key fixes needed:
Michael demonstrated several small but important UI improvements (06:48):
The map is filling in beautifully — forming honeycomb shapes around hubs like Lisbon, Portugal, and Spain. However, as density increases, dots overlap and the map loses functionality at zoom levels. James confirmed dots should proportionally shrink as users zoom in (13:53). [tag="mapbox"]
[technology="Directory Systems"]
James identified the main barrier to daily usability: notifications on mobile (19:33). The web app installs as an icon and looks like a real app, but lacks proper push notifications. The team explored three paths within app development (22:43):
Michael proposed an architecture (21:11) where a shared database serves the web app and mobile apps, with the desktop functioning as the experimental space and mobile apps as the "locked, ratcheted-down version." New features develop on web, get tested, then push down to mobile. He offered to get cost estimates from his Mexico-based app team, who are highly efficient.
James noted he wants to preserve easy development and avoid getting locked into something expensive to edit. The team also discussed defining a minimum function set for mobile — possibly just messaging and profiles initially — since deeper work like courses may be better suited to desktop. Interestingly, Michael noted that Boldly course users predominantly engage on mobile despite the small keyboard.
James reported that multiple people at the Wave approached him about putting their courses on the Holos platform (26:39). He shared a compelling case study: Nicholas, an indigenous leaders facilitator he met at the Wave, runs a six-week live course currently hosted on Mighty Networks. His use case represents a great pilot — live video sessions plus resources, with Holos taking a portion and the course creator taking a portion.
Michael offered to explore embedding the Boldly LMS into Holos as a non-profit piece of the ecosystem (27:51) — it's already finished and working, with a great authoring experience. James confirmed he's already built an LMS interface that's been ready to deploy, designed to handle both pre-recorded and live course formats with materials, session recordings, progress tracking, and chat integration via the Holon wall. [tag="claude"]
[technology="Online Learning Platforms"]
The team explored having courses be Holons — with cohorts automatically becoming persistent Holons after course completion so participants stay connected (35:11). Michael flagged that this needs a glossary conversation: Susan has been working through the evolving definition of what a Holon is, and adding "courses are Holons" may need careful framing. Hera noted the team has had ongoing taxonomy conversations and previously considered terms like "hubs" or "chapters" for geographically anchored groups versus topical or purpose-based Holons.
Michael suggested 50% of any course price flows to the Engine for Good as a baseline (41:03). Hera built on this: as users donate for a course, they could pick a Purpose Earth project they want to support, making them feel part of the impact. Michael flagged this as a 2.0 feature — and warned of the risk that "popular" projects could win over "meritus" projects, or that people could game the system. Mariko offered a middle path: users select a theme (like sacred ecology) and funds distribute across projects within that category.
[technology="Custom Membership System"]
Mariko named email notifications as her top priority (44:14). James described a vision (44:21) for a layered notification ecology:
Michael built on this with the idea of a daily dashboard on login (43:14): notifications, Holon activity, chat updates, and Engine for Good fund totals visualized as drops filling a canister. He referenced an AI app called Alters that does psychedelic journey tracking and surfaces emergent community themes — suggesting a similar "temperature of the day" digest for Holos.
[technology="Communication Automations"]
Mariko raised the resource library question (46:42): the team has substantial meditation content, songs, and media ready to bring on board. She proposed AI-driven recommendations triggered by check-in questions like "How are you feeling today?" — pulling from tagged library resources to recommend a walking meditation, a song, or a piece of content. Hera confirmed a partner has already been creating content specifically for this purpose. [tag="claude"]
James noted the resource library can exist as its own organ — designed for both humans and agents — so users could query it via their own AI assistants.
[technology="Community Facilitation Tools"]
James raised the importance of building both private and internally-public design patterns (49:09). For surfacing community pulse, private messages would either be excluded entirely or processed only through local models in a closed environment — never sent to Claude or OpenAI. [tag="supabase"]
Michael advocated for a full privacy and data security audit as part of the native app build (51:24), noting the gold standard is logon data stored on-device with only encrypted user IDs on the server. The team also flagged that the homepage globe displays member names and locations without explicit opt-in — a feature toggle for visibility is needed. A cookie consent banner is also required for European compliance.
[technology="Custom Membership System"]
Hera and Michael revisited the evolving taxonomy (37:12) — geographically anchored Holons (potentially "hubs" or "chapters"), topical Holons, course-cohort Holons, and the financial steward layer. James suggested a hierarchy of Holons: baby Holons, established Holons, and qualifying criteria for funding eligibility. Michael committed to drafting a document to capture this thinking.
Michael floated an exciting concept (01:06:30): once a Holon reaches ~30 members, the app could spawn an AI-facilitated Activation Day experience. Critically, AI would facilitate the mechanics — questions, pairings, time-keeping — but humans would do the synthesis. James highlighted the data goldmine potential: when paired participants write down each other's responses, you get vastly richer data than self-entry.
[technology="Time-Aware Toolsets"]
Michael offered the framing that anchored the strategic vision (01:08:47): "Everybody else has already developed all the things individuals need. We should focus on what's between people — the dialogue, the collaboration. Nobody is designed for that." James has been articulating this for years — naming his work around it. Michael added the provocation that "personal development is dead — it's now the age of collaborative development," describing Holos as a deep blue ocean far from any populated shore.
The team celebrated the Wave's impact. The map lit up dramatically after the final dinner, with Portugal becoming dense with new members. Hera noted the activation Day swarm of Holon creation. Major Lisbon tech figures attended the infrastructure section. The live video chat James ran while waiting for the broadcast drew 18 enthusiastic participants for nearly an hour. [tag="daily"] [tag="talkjs"]
[technology="Video Conferencing Solutions"]
The team agreed the global broadcast should be delayed by a day next year, with separate production teams, earlier marketing, and ideally two or three smaller broadcasts beforehand to work out the bugs.
Michael and James will meet later this week to map out development domains so the next team meeting can prioritize what's most important and define timing. Mariko is holding off on broader email-list invitations until the email notification system and core cleanup fixes are deployed. The current waiver-only test population is providing strong feedback without overwhelming the platform.
James Redenbaugh
Michael Shaun Conaway
Mariko Pitts
Hera
James & Michael (joint)
Implement email notification system as top priority before next user group invitations
James to focus on implementing email notification system this week as top priority before broader email list invitations go out. Mariko is holding off on invitations until this is live. Includes daily summary emails of unread messages and Holon activity. Timestamp: 55:23
Map out development domains with Michael Shaun Conaway for prioritization in next team meeting
James and Michael to meet later this week via Holos direct chat to map development domains and define priority and timing for next team meeting. Timestamp: 54:47, 01:19:19
Investigate Stripe webhook test-mode error messages and follow up with developer
James to investigate Stripe webhook test-mode error messages and follow up with the developer to resolve. Timestamp: 57:01
Rename 'About' tab to 'Info', make it the first tab, and expose member management improvements
UI polish: rename About tab to Info and make it the first tab. Also expose member management improvements in the Manage area. Timestamp: 11:43
Add map zoom-scaling so member dots proportionally shrink as users zoom in
As map density increases dots overlap and lose functionality at zoom levels. James confirmed dots should proportionally shrink as users zoom in. Timestamp: 14:02
Add feature for users to leave Holons and for stewards to remove members
Critical gaps: users cannot remove themselves from Holons they've been added to, and stewards cannot remove members from the Manage area. Both need to be implemented. Also addresses GDPR compliance concerns. Timestamp: 10:14
Implement GDPR-compliant account and Holon deletion functionality
Critical GDPR violation: users currently cannot delete their accounts or delete a whole Holon. Must be addressed quickly given significant European user base. Timestamp: 04:30
Add approval process for being added to a Holon and enforce mandatory three-admin requirement at creation
Holons have ended up with massive member counts from bulk-adding. Need approval process for being added to a Holon, mandatory three-admin requirement enforced at creation via setup checklist, and default private settings to prevent inadvertent public Holons. Timestamp: 09:48
Add tooltips under profile editing icons to guide users on how to change profile pictures
UI polish: users don't know how to change profile pictures because there are no tooltips under the profile editing icons. Timestamp: 06:48
Add image attachment and emoji support to in-platform chat
Michael demonstrated needs based on user requests. Image attachment capability and emoji support needed. No video uploads due to cost concerns. Defer audio messages until storage and serving costs are understood. Timestamp: 06:48
Add homepage globe feature toggle for member name and location visibility opt-in
The homepage globe displays member names and locations without explicit opt-in. A feature toggle for visibility is needed for privacy compliance. Also need to add cookie consent banner for European compliance. Timestamp: 49:09
Send Holos web app to Mexico-based app team for native/hybrid mobile build cost estimates by feature
Draft taxonomy and glossary document covering Holons, hubs, chapters, course-cohorts, and financial stewards
Michael committed to drafting a document to capture the evolving taxonomy including geographically anchored Holons (hubs/chapters), topical Holons, course-cohort Holons, and financial steward layer. Hera to surface previous taxonomy document for reference. Timestamp: 38:46
Connect with Emmanuel and Laura about creating a Holomovement course on the Holos platform
Michael to connect with Emmanuel and Laura about creating a Holomovement course. Also pick up the Choose Love 16-minute course content. Multiple people at the Wave approached James about putting their courses on the platform. Timestamp: 29:50
Pick up the Choose Love 16-minute course content for integration into Holos platform
Michael to pick up the Choose Love 16-minute course content as part of course integration efforts. Timestamp: 29:35
Send 2-minute onboarding video to Activation Day groups to drive Holon creation
Hold off on broader email list invitations until email notifications and cleanup fixes are live
Mariko to hold off on broader email list invitations until the email notification system and core cleanup fixes are deployed. Current waiver-only test population is providing strong feedback without overwhelming the platform. Timestamp: 55:45
Watch full Wave broadcast replay with Michael for production review
Mariko to watch the full Wave broadcast replay with Michael for production review and learnings for next year. Timestamp: 01:01:14
Begin planning Activation Day improvements including dedicated local Holon facilitation
Mariko to begin planning improvements for next Activation Day including dedicated local Holon facilitation. Gaps identified: volunteers didn't realize they were welcome at Activation Day and missed chance to form local Lisbon Holon. Timestamp: 01:17:08
Confirm and add Mariko, Michael, and James as admins on internal Holons
Hera to confirm and add Mariko, Michael, and James as admins on the internal/Iris Holons. The Iris Holon was inadvertently public allowing strangers to request joining. Timestamp: 17:22
Surface previous Holon taxonomy document for team reference
Hera to surface the previous taxonomy document the team developed for reference as Michael drafts the updated taxonomy and glossary document. Team has had ongoing taxonomy conversations previously considering terms like hubs or chapters. Timestamp: 38:33
Coordinate Engine for Good integration considerations into upcoming feature discussions
Hera to coordinate Engine for Good integration considerations into upcoming feature discussions. Team explored 50% of course prices flowing to Engine for Good, users picking Purpose Earth projects to support, and theme-based fund distribution. Timestamp: 39:20
Share screenshots from the hour-long live video chat during Wave broadcast
James to share screenshots from the hour-long live video chat he ran while waiting for the broadcast which drew 18 enthusiastic participants. Timestamp: 01:20:12
Conduct full privacy and data security audit as part of native app build preparation
Michael advocated for a full privacy and data security audit as part of the native app build. Gold standard is logon data stored on-device with only encrypted user IDs on the server. Private messages should be excluded from community pulse features or processed only through local models in closed environment. Timestamp: 51:24
Design and implement AI-facilitated digital Activation Day experience that spawns when Holon reaches approximately 30 members
Michael floated concept of app spawning AI-facilitated Activation Day experience once a Holon reaches ~30 members. AI would facilitate mechanics (questions, pairings, timekeeping) but humans would do synthesis. James highlighted data goldmine potential from paired participant responses. Timestamp: 01:06:30
Design AI-driven resource recommendation system based on user check-in emotional state
Mariko raised that team has substantial meditation content, songs, and media ready to bring on board. Proposed AI-driven recommendations triggered by check-in questions like 'How are you feeling today?' pulling from tagged library resources. Hera confirmed a partner has already been creating content for this purpose. Resource library can exist as its own organ for both humans and agents. Timestamp: 46:42
Explore embedding Boldly LMS into Holos platform as non-profit ecosystem component
Michael offered to explore embedding the Boldly LMS into Holos as a non-profit piece of the ecosystem since it is already finished and working with a great authoring experience. James confirmed he has already built an LMS interface ready to deploy. Timestamp: 27:51
Design course-as-Holon architecture where cohorts become persistent Holons after course completion
Team explored having courses be Holons with cohorts automatically becoming persistent Holons after course completion so participants stay connected. Requires glossary alignment on what a Holon is. Needs taxonomy document from Michael before development scoping. Timestamp: 35:11
Design daily login dashboard with notifications, Holon activity, and Engine for Good fund visualization
Michael proposed daily dashboard on login showing notifications, Holon activity, chat updates, and Engine for Good fund totals visualized as drops filling a canister. Referenced Alters app for surfacing emergent community themes as inspiration for 'temperature of the day' digest. Timestamp: 43:14
Add 'delete account' functionality to account page
June 29, 2026
Custom membership system architecture for user authentication, progress tracking, and database management using Supabase for backend. Requirements include real database for user progress (not cookies), journal entry capture, API triggers for membership status and course purchases, and progress tracking across sessions. Decision made to build custom solution on Supabase rather than Member Stack. Includes Stripe integration for subscription management and automatic access revocation when subscriptions lapse. Multiple products may connect to same membership tier with bundled offerings granting multiple memberships from single purchase. Part of Phase One development with $16K-$29K budget. Requires hiring Supabase specialist for implementation. Timeline aligned with LMS development for February 10th launch. Authentication spike will establish foundation with Supabase login functionality on MAST template, implementing user profiles, password management, and session handling. System will sync membership status between Stripe and Supabase for automated access control. Backend successfully operational with membership login and content gating complete using Supabase and Stripe. Profile editing integration in progress to connect with directory system. Backend approximately 90% complete with primary goal to deliver working version on Holomovement site for team testing this week allowing account creation, login, and profile data editing. Front end minimal at this stage consisting mainly of login pages until profile pages developed. Profile creation flow now implemented as linear step-by-step process requiring profile completion before directory access. Sign-up flow includes friendly nudges for empty bios when hitting next, optional social profiles with language like 'you can always come back later' to reduce drop-off, loading screen during profile generation with engaging copy like 'making connections', AI-generated banner images based on user bios, and light/dark mode toggle inheriting system settings by default. System enforces profile completion to ensure data quality and prevent half-finished accounts cluttering database. Dark backgrounds use deep teal rather than pure black, light mode avoids stark white to maintain Holomovement brand feel. Simplified pill-style member modal implemented with collapsed/expanded states showing two lines by default, expanding on hover to reveal icons for messages, Holons, and light/dark mode toggle. Notifications aggregate into single indicator on Holon icon with changing number rather than multiple dots. Three profile image preview styles (circle, square, doorway/vertical) included in signup flow to ensure photos work across all use cases. In-app messaging system now live using custom-built architecture with no per-message cost, styled similar to iMessage with unread message counts, conversation threading, and future group chat capability. Email notifications handled via Resend - free up to 3,000 emails/month, then $20/month for up to 50,000. Holon management flow improved with clear delegation model between members and admins using invitation system rather than automatic adds. Location automation uses lightweight AI call to convert entered location into coordinates for near real-time map updates. Saving bug affecting profile updates, feedback, and location syncing identified and resolved during meeting. Community consent flow being added as pop-up on first messaging use with scrollable community agreements and required checkboxes covering non-partisanship, anti-spam, entity usage rules, and conduct standards. GDPR compliance considerations noted with Webflow plugin available for data erasure rights and cookie consent. Pay What You Want contribution system now under active development with slider UI allowing users to select suggested range ($15-$20/month) with secondary scholarship tier option for lower amounts. Two-screen approach framed as gift rather than discount with wave-based slider visual showing increasing amplitude. System includes familiar Stripe checkout supporting Link, Amazon Pay, and other methods. PayPal integration planned for better international accessibility. Working wave-amplitude slider prototype built with predefined moments shifting wavelength visually, translatable directly into payment UX. Prototype ready for core team testing within next couple days with front-end UI included. Thursday core team meeting target for showcase. Modal menu interface introduced featuring compact notification/settings control with light mode toggle - described as small detail that meaningfully elevates experience. Three developers now working on Webflow implementation: Sean (Ohio, senior), Siam (Pakistan, junior), with Ivan handling less bandwidth due to outside client work. Profile creation, editing, and regeneration flows confirmed working as of 03-31 meeting. Profile creation link added directly to member modal enabling re-run of full onboarding flow. Core team onboarding structured as daily feature drip starting with profile creation. 03-31 crash test revealed critical blocking issues preventing core team demo: n8n automation pipeline failing to complete profile data processing reliably, social links not saving due to LinkedIn field dependency, AI-generated cover image and tagline entering loop state without completing, JSON input error halting holon creation mid-flow, logout bug on holon detail page, light mode broadly non-functional requiring toggle to be hidden entirely, profile content fields not populating after form submission. Team consensus: crash test failed, reconvening following day to retest after critical fixes. Zero tolerance for processes locking up or halting before core team demo - visual imperfections acceptable but no mid-flow stoppage permitted. Hubcast partnership introduces potential single sign-on integration explored with developer Emilio Lopez enabling seamless profile creation handshake between broadcast access and Holomovement App reducing friction for new users discovering platform via livestream. Profile creation becomes the access ticket for global broadcast viewers immediately placing them inside ecosystem where they discover collaboration features. System now functional and operational with core team beginning onboarding process (meeting 05-04). Post-Wave deployment successful with members actively using platform. Critical gaps identified in 06-16 meeting: users cannot delete accounts (GDPR violation with European user base), users cannot remove themselves from Holons, stewards cannot remove members, automatic member addition on Holon creation needs approval workflow, privacy controls needed for Holon visibility, homepage globe displays names/locations without explicit opt-in requiring visibility toggle, cookie consent banner required for European compliance, Stripe webhook test-mode errors surfacing. Account deletion and member management now top cleanup priorities.
Strategic enhancement of directory system integrating with membership capabilities to enable member profile management, progressive assessment completion, and intelligent matching. Members can log in and edit their profiles directly with information stored in Supabase for flexible content management. Progressive engagement model starts with basic five-minute setup (name, website, purpose statement, location), then enables detailed assessments later. Each completed assessment adds profile elements and unlocks features including AI-generated visual representations (icons, tarot archetypes, numerology graphics). Integration with Claude AI enables sophisticated queries like 'who should I collaborate with on this project?' or 'who can provide funding?' across network assessment data. Advanced features include weekly emotional mapping interface with six-axis emotional space (excitement, nervousness, grief, etc.) aggregating into community climate visualizations. Reimagined map interface using flat Earth projection with layered filtering showing member locations, funding flows, collaborative connections, project relationships. Multiple view modes from simplified default to complex multi-layered 'Arcturian' views. Integration with Engine for Good grant program where applications link to member profiles, creating incentive structure for profile completion. Team pivoted to prioritize directory system over LMS development. Player card approach focuses on game-like profiles emphasizing what someone is doing (project/mission) and what help they need for AI-powered matching. System summarizes lengthy inputs into concise scannable formats. MVP launch target February 15 with login capability, profile editing, and integrated assessments. Beta testing program follows to identify next priority features. Critical development discussion revealed MapBox visualization provides initial visual interest but limited practical value beyond local connections - intelligent matching algorithms represent the true 'killer app' rather than map visualization. Profile data strategy shifting from personality assessments to actionable information: developmental stage, experience level, current project involvement, specific skills, and active needs. Visual consistency issues identified with user-uploaded images requiring standardization. Question emerged whether Holons function as independent entities or collections of individual members, requiring data architecture decisions. Simplified terminology 'members and groups' proposed over 'Holons' for newcomer clarity. Basic intake form planned capturing development level, experience, life stage, purpose, and current needs as primary assessment for matching foundation. Player card UI concept introduced featuring icons to symbolize key information, AI-generated summaries to condense lengthy responses, and achievement badges displaying completed courses, assessments, and accomplishments. Design iteration process planned where team scans test cards to validate information hierarchy. Sandbox database creation for core team to fill out profiles and review each other's player cards as real-world test. Prototype development progressing with profile creation, editing, viewing, and password resets functional in Supabase. Munia developing first draft UI designs. Team agreed to reduce text density, create more visual/scannable interfaces. Multiple views prototyped: alliance view, profile editing, directory search (list and map-based), member profiles, holon profiles. Core intake fields defined: name, date of birth, email, phone/SMS/WhatsApp, location, purpose/mission, gifts and requests, alliance affiliations, short bio (150 words max), photo. Matching deferred from numerical compatibility scores to simpler connection signals: complementary skills, matching needs/offers, alliance overlap, geographic proximity, shared purpose domains. AI interpretation via Claude for free-text fields, direct computation for explicit matches. App functionality to be hosted on separate subdomain (app.holomovement.net) with member-specific navigation, syncing public profile data to main site member globe. End of February target for core team interactive prototype. 3D globe navigation now live with lightweight custom rendering approach using continent outlines without full Mapbox tile loading for smooth performance (05:52). Globe features toggle for flat view, hover-activated profile cards, connection lines between members and holons. People appear as yellow dots, holons as teal hexagons algorithmically placed at center of members (01:22). Profile creation flow implemented as linear step-by-step process requiring profile completion before directory access (09:38). Photos strongly encouraged with friendly nudges if skipped, social profiles optional. AI-generated banner images based on user bios producing resonant results (15:47). Light/dark mode toggle available inheriting system settings by default (16:39). Dark backgrounds using deep teal rather than pure black, light mode avoiding stark white to maintain Holomovement brand feel (14:35). Vertical player cards chosen for directory view over horizontal layouts for gamified engaging presentation (37:52). Team seeding platform this week with core team members completing profiles Monday/Tuesday, creating holons Wednesday, reviewing experience Thursday core call (43:53). Polish focus prioritized over new features with delivery target Monday February 17 (41:20). New bento-style profile layout introduced with rounded corners, centered tagline, framed profile image, and subtle background color differentiation between sections (14:21). Rich text field with optional image upload added to represent projects or organizations more expressively beyond plain text (32:10). Testimonials system (potentially rebranded as 'Send Some Love' or 'Share the Love') enables mutual endorsements with reciprocal vouching mechanics (34:54). Field feature replacing 'wall' concept allows users to post updates and collaborative content with pinning capability (39:43). Long-term vision includes drag-and-drop section ordering for personalized profile storytelling. Assessment display framework showing sliders across domains added as visible badges on profiles. Seeking/Offering keywords auto-distilled from freeform text using AI summarization to aid readability and matching. On-demand match experience triggered by 'Match Me' button generates side-by-side comparison modal with numerical score (1-100, shown on hover), loading animation, and meaningful dimensions including complementary skills, needs/offers alignment, shared alliances, overlapping domains (26:00, 19:02). Match score and comparison view designed as sticky gamified feature incentivizing profile completion (24:35). Domain categories refined: 'Economics and New Systems' → 'Economics and Collaborative Commerce', 'Governance and Social Change' split into 'Collaborative Governance' and separate social change, 'Spiritual Activism and Inner Development' → 'Spirituality and Consciousness', additions include Ethics and Philosophy, Science, Leadership and Facilitation as 12th domain, potential Psychology embedded in community/relationships (43:00-48:22). Onboarding copy and tooltip language prioritized for clarity on unfamiliar terms with short hover descriptions (one sentence max). Implementation timeline: 7-10 day dev window for new design style, Field feature, preliminary matching functionality followed by internal testing with core four, then broader core team rollout (41:07, 40:08). First impressions prioritized with cautious rollout protocol to ensure solid initial experience. Messaging icon refined from email-style button to message icon to better reflect in-platform nature (13:29). Notifications aggregate into single indicator on Holon icon with changing number rather than multiple dots. Three profile image preview styles (circle, square, doorway/vertical) included in signup flow to ensure photos work across all use cases (07:44). In-app messaging system now live using custom-built architecture with no per-message cost, styled similar to iMessage with unread message counts, conversation threading, and future group chat capability (09:37). Email notifications handled via Resend - free up to 3,000 emails/month, then $20/month for up to 50,000 (23:56). Holon management flow improved with clear delegation model between members and admins using invitation system rather than automatic adds (04:08). Location automation uses lightweight AI call to convert entered location into coordinates for near real-time map updates (26:27). Saving bug affecting profile updates, feedback, and location syncing identified and resolved during meeting (26:27). Community consent flow being added as pop-up on first messaging use with scrollable community agreements and required checkboxes covering non-partisanship, anti-spam, entity usage rules, and conduct standards (18:00). GDPR compliance considerations noted with Webflow plugin available for data erasure rights and cookie consent (17:46). Pay What You Want contribution system now under active development with slider UI allowing users to select suggested range ($15-$20/month) with secondary scholarship tier option for lower amounts. Two-screen approach framed as gift rather than discount with wave-based slider visual showing increasing amplitude. System includes familiar Stripe checkout supporting Link, Amazon Pay, and other methods. PayPal integration planned for better international accessibility (18:35, 19:30). Working wave-amplitude slider prototype built with predefined moments shifting wavelength visually, translatable directly into payment UX (19:47). Prototype ready for core team testing within next couple days with front-end UI included (53:10). Thursday core team meeting target for showcase (54:22). Modal menu interface introduced featuring compact notification/settings control with light mode toggle - described as small detail that meaningfully elevates experience (38:05). Three developers now working on Webflow implementation: Sean (Ohio, senior), Siam (Pakistan, junior), with Ivan handling less bandwidth due to outside client work (34:00). Profile creation, editing, and regeneration flows confirmed working (04:14). Holon page active development with wheel of faces arc rendering, domain icons, and My Holons view improvements (04:14). Empty state for My Holons will show helpful message plus grid of all existing Holons to orient new users (21:50). Profile edit mode link navigation disabled to prevent losing unsaved changes (27:08). Profile image edit icon made more prominent (30:58). Banner image regeneration icon will get rollover tooltip explaining 'replace your banner' functionality (32:25). Skills rating feature demoed allowing users to rate themselves with visual bar indicators (44:04). Location map tooltip added showing actual location name on hover (23:11). Profile creation link added directly to member modal enabling logged-in users to re-run full onboarding flow (42:31). Test accounts and Holons being cleaned up before team-wide invite (06:47). Core team onboarding structured as daily feature drip: Day 1 profile creation, Day 2 assessment prototype, following days Holons/map/matching features one at a time (16:11). Homepage updates in progress including background color correction, animation circle restoration, scroll sequence improvements, auto-scroll implementation, mobile type scaling, icon-only logo, and updated CTA button (44:35). Dynamic map will become hero element of homepage with card preview leading to login/profile creation for non-members (52:57). Tag-based matchmaking architecture outlined: profiles generate seeking/offering/domain/focus tags, periodic comparison produces alignment scores, directory displays highest-alignment profiles larger and left-aligned (01:01:36). Sean actively working on matching grid view implementation (01:00:56). Wave event preparation targeting participants leaving activation day already inside at least one Holon using app as live tool (58:30). James confirmed ready to lead app presentations at wave event. One-to-two minute intro video of ecosystem planned for wave event (01:00:07). Platform designed as coordination layer - not an organization but a medium, connective tissue, energetic petri dish for collaboration to grow (20:30). Wave serves as on-ramp for Saturday-Monday - people get on the spaceship, then continue exploring projects, holons, and neighbors in platform Tuesday onward. 'We come together and create these big bonfires. We want ways to keep these campfires burning through the year' (55:30). Post-Wave system successfully operational with Portugal map section densely populated showing honeycomb patterns around Lisbon and Spain hubs. Meeting 06-16 identified map zoom scaling issue (13:53) - member dots need to proportionally shrink as users zoom in to maintain functionality at high-density locations. Profile image tooltip needed under editing icons since users don't know how to change pictures. Homepage globe visibility toggle required since names and locations display without explicit opt-in. Profile tab renamed from 'About' to 'Info' and repositioned as first tab for better UX.
UX refinements to connections/matching interface based on team feedback during 05-04 demo. Key improvements include: adding intermediary layer showing tags/domains in common before triggering full Claude agentic analysis to provide instant lightweight connection signals (14:22), adding filter controls to map view enabling filtering by tag, domain, and skill similar to directory (15:14), fixing View Profile button click target on connection cards (20:21), enhancing visual hierarchy to make number boxes (archetype match, distance) more prominent against green background, replacing single-word descriptors like 'relational' with parsable phrases, strengthening narrative output by leading with 1-2 sentence summary then expandable detail (Strava-style per 12:12), exploring AI-generated connection images placing two users in shared symbolic context. Design refinements prioritize storytelling over raw data display following Michael Shaun's feedback: 'It just has to tell me a story' (12:12). System architecture already functional, initiative focuses on polish and usability improvements. Quick turnaround expected with James implementing n8n connection-analysis automation by end of day (22:34). Meeting discussion 00:10-00:22.
Comprehensive email notification architecture enabling users to stay connected with platform activity without requiring constant login. System includes daily summary emails aggregating unread messages and Holon activity, optional per-message notifications for users preferring immediate alerts, and integration with Resend infrastructure (free up to 3,000 emails/month, then $20/month for up to 50,000). Mariko identified this as top priority at 44:14 with team agreement that broader user invitations are blocked until notification system deploys. James proposed layered notification ecology at 44:21 with Michael adding daily dashboard concept at 43:14 showing notifications, Holon activity, chat updates, and Engine for Good fund visualization. Architecture uses n8n workflow automation triggering on database events in Supabase, with email templates customized per notification type and user preference settings. Must respect user control over notification frequency and channels. Critical dependency for platform scale - current waiver-only test population manageable without notifications but broader rollout requires this infrastructure. James committed to focusing on this as top priority before next user group invitations at 55:23.
Native or hybrid mobile application development enabling proper push notifications and daily usability on mobile devices. Current web app installs as icon and functions like app but lacks native notification capabilities identified as main barrier to daily engagement at 19:33. Three architectural paths under consideration at 22:43: wrapping existing build (least effort, slightly clunky), full native build using Swift/Kotlin (most polished, highest cost), or cross-platform hybrid using React Native (ideal balance). Michael proposed architecture at 21:11 where shared database serves web app and mobile apps, with desktop functioning as experimental space and mobile apps as locked-down version - new features develop on web, get tested, then push to mobile. Team exploring minimum function set for mobile possibly starting with just messaging and profiles since deeper work like courses may be better on desktop, though Michael noted Boldly course users predominantly engage on mobile despite small keyboard. Michael committed at 25:59 to get cost estimates from Mexico-based app team who are highly efficient. James wants to preserve easy development and avoid getting locked into expensive-to-edit architecture. Represents major platform evolution from web-first to truly mobile-native experience.
Integration of third-party courses onto Holomovement platform enabling course creators to host content while Holos takes revenue share. Multiple people at Wave approached James at 26:39 about putting courses on platform. Nicholas case study at 26:39: indigenous leaders facilitator running six-week live course currently on Mighty Networks, ideal pilot with live video sessions plus resources, revenue split between platform and creator. James confirmed at 29:02 he already built LMS interface ready to deploy, designed for both pre-recorded and live course formats with materials, session recordings, progress tracking, and chat integration via Holon wall. Michael offered at 27:51 to explore embedding Boldly LMS as non-profit piece of ecosystem since it's finished with great authoring experience. Team exploring courses functioning as Holons at 35:11 with cohorts automatically becoming persistent Holons after completion so participants stay connected. Michael suggested at 41:03 baseline 50% of course price flows to Engine for Good. Hera proposed at 41:34 users could pick Purpose Earth project to support when donating for course, making them feel part of impact. Michael flagged this as 2.0 feature warning of risks around popular vs meritus projects. Mariko offered middle path at 43:03 where users select theme and funds distribute across projects within category. Represents major revenue and engagement opportunity while expanding platform value proposition beyond directory and matching.
AI-driven resource recommendation system surfacing meditation content, songs, and curated media based on user check-ins and emotional state. Mariko raised at 46:42 that team has substantial content ready including meditations, songs, and media from partner already creating content for this purpose (Hera confirmed). System uses AI-powered recommendations triggered by check-in questions like 'How are you feeling today?' pulling from tagged library resources to recommend walking meditation, song, or content piece. Michael referenced at 43:14 Alters app doing psychedelic journey tracking with daily community snapshots, suggesting similar 'temperature of the day' digest for Holos surfacing emergent community themes. James noted at 48:28 resource library can exist as its own organ designed for both humans and agents so users could query via their own AI assistants. Michael emphasized at 44:21 using AI not to mimic humans but to provide perception we can't access otherwise like synthesizing community emotional trends. System represents evolution beyond transactional AI use toward collective consciousness data feeding. James flagged at 49:09 importance of privacy-first design with private messages excluded or processed only through local models never sent to Claude or OpenAI.
Comprehensive privacy and data security audit ensuring GDPR compliance, proper data handling, and trust architecture aligned with native app development. Michael advocated at 51:24 for full audit as part of native app build, noting gold standard is logon data stored on-device with only encrypted user IDs on server. Critical gaps identified at 04:30: users cannot delete accounts (GDPR violation with significant European user base), homepage globe displays member names and locations without explicit opt-in requiring visibility toggle, cookie consent banner required for European compliance. James raised at 49:09 importance of building private and internally-public design patterns, with private messages either excluded from AI processing entirely or processed only through local models in closed environment never sent to Claude or OpenAI. Audit must address account deletion workflows, member removal from Holons, data retention policies, user consent mechanisms, privacy controls for profile visibility, encryption standards, and compliance with European data protection regulations. Team recognized this as foundational for platform trust and legal compliance especially as user base grows internationally.
AI-facilitated digital Activation Day experience automatically spawning when Holon reaches approximately 30 members, enabling repeatable collaborative development process within platform. Michael floated concept at 01:06:30 where AI facilitates mechanics including questions, pairings, and time-keeping while humans perform synthesis. James highlighted at 01:08:00 data goldmine potential since paired participants writing down each other's responses generates vastly richer data than self-entry. System would replicate core Activation Day methodology digitally: structured interview questions with progressive deepening, intentional listening pairs, partner accountability surfacing, group rounds with idea clustering, heat mapping with dot voting, and champion commitments with calendar dates. Represents evolution of Activation Day from in-person event to scalable digital format enabling any Holon to access transformative facilitation infrastructure. Michael framed at 01:08:47 as focus on what's between people - dialogue and collaboration - describing personal development as dead and collaborative development as the new frontier with Holos operating in deep blue ocean. Architecture requires Time-Aware Toolsets for scheduling and progression, AI agents for facilitation mechanics, Collaboration Management Tools for synthesis capture, and integration with existing Holon infrastructure. Timing mechanisms could trigger based on member thresholds or manual Holon steward initiation.
Enhancement of in-platform chat system enabling image attachments and emoji support for richer communication. Michael demonstrated needs at 06:48 based on user requests. Image attachment capability critical for sharing visual context in conversations. Emoji support standard expectation for modern messaging. Video uploads explicitly excluded due to cost concerns. Audio messages deferred until storage and serving costs better understood. Builds on existing TalkJS-style messaging infrastructure already operational with unread counts, conversation threading, and group chat capability. Relatively straightforward enhancement to existing chat architecture.
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Mariko Pitts: And that one went.
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James Redenbaugh: This meeting is being recorded.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: No worries.
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Mariko Pitts: How's it going?
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Michael Shaun Conaway: It's. It's good.
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Mariko Pitts: Oh, God.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Still in recovery.
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James Redenbaugh: Doesn't sound good.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: I think I took off. I took off more days in a row trying to get over this cold than I've taken off in the past two years. Like, I mean, like, oh, God, four days of, like, just finding. I'll just lie down on the couch. I get it.
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Mariko Pitts: It's so messed up.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Four days.
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Mariko Pitts: I was like, that's crazy.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Like, one day is, like, hard. Two days is.
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Mariko Pitts: That's crazy.
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James Redenbaugh: But you deserve a break. You.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Break is like a cool beach and, you know, like, five star dining at night in a bottle of champagne. You know, that's a break. This is like a pain in the ass. It's like, yeah, I'm resting, but not because I. Not because I want to feel so bad.
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Mariko Pitts: How was your honeymoon, James?
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James Redenbaugh: It was great. A lot. A lot better than that. Still married. Five star restaurant and champagne on the beach.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. There you go.
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Mariko Pitts: You finally let go of work and did it.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it was awesome. I have. I haven't taken that much time off in. In years.
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Mariko Pitts: I can believe that, actually.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: At least you're having fun.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. The Acers are really cool. Smaller than I thought. We were kind of thinking about checking it out as a potential place to move.
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Mariko Pitts: Oh, I heard. Yeah.
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James Redenbaugh: But I think it would be a little. A little too small.
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Hera: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: What's his name that was there?
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James Redenbaugh: Harlan.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Harlan.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: He's ready to leave.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah, we met up with him there.
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Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah. Oh, really?
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James Redenbaugh: Huh. Yo, he's got an awesome place there, but he's like, yeah, we're looking at maybe Italy. They don't even have, like, organic food on the island, which was surprising to me. Yeah, that was their. Their.
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Mariko Pitts: Do they use pesticides or anything? Or is it all just imported? Anyway, so it's like.
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James Redenbaugh: I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot better in Europe in general than the States. They can't use the same crap that we use.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, but we use the best of. It's bad for you over here. Not the stuff that will flat out kill you.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, but it won't kill you right away.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Funny. Well, I'm glad you had a good time. I'm glad that you checked out the Azores. I'd recommend Italy or Sardinia is really nice if you want an island. Of course, Mallorca. Sardinia is a little bit more off the beaten path, a little bit more.
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James Redenbaugh: More affordable.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: But all the. All the Islands out in the middle of there are desirable, so they're so beautiful.
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Mariko Pitts: Amazing.
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James Redenbaugh: Well, I'll have to go do some more research.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yes. If you ever need a local, if.
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James Redenbaugh: I could bear it. Awesome. Thank you. But yeah, I'm stoked to be back. I was, by the end of the trip, I was like, 10 days is a little much. I'm itching to, to get back into things. And then I, I, I was so excited to get into Fable. The new Claude model shut down. As soon as I'm back, I'm like, what? I didn't even get to play with it.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, it'll be back in a week or two. I think that's what I'm here.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, hopefully.
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Mariko Pitts: All right, so how do we want to start? What's. What do we think?
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Michael Shaun Conaway: We got some big, big umbrella topics. How about I just lay out the umbrella topics and then we'll decide what we want to spend some time on. One is kind of the future development paths, which include future features and include a conversation which we can start to have now about do we want to bring in a team to create app versions of what we've got or to create an app version of what we've got. Yeah. So features and then app, I guess, is the, that, that bucket. Then there's the bucket that we opened up with a bunch of people, which is the interoperability conversation, which requires a little bit of strategy before development, I need to say. And then the third area is just, you know, what do we need to clean up on the app right now? What are some. What kind of things that we need to, to get. Yeah, clean up, I guess is right. Put that. And what is, what are ways we can get some feedback about what's going on there? There's been some usage. I've been on there using it. So I'm starting to find things that like, oh, you can't delete an account. Well, that's against gdpr. We would get in big trouble for that. You should be able to delete account and all data and you can't delete a whole line. I figured out because I made some test ones the other day and then I went, oh, I made test one so I could do loom videos on how to, how to set up a hole on how to, how to set up your account. So we can also use those to share with people who need a little bit of help. Yeah. So those are the three buckets. What do you guys feel inspired to talk about today?
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Mariko Pitts: No, I think that's a good Idea. I mean why don't we start first with the cleanup stuff? What do we need to know? Because people are utilizing it. Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: So I'd like to share my screen really quick. I'll show you one little tiny one. I'm just trying to catch. I'm trying to catch them and send them. Send them. I've been sending them through WhatsApp. We should have a conversation about when do we move to holos as our major communication space. This is, this is a.
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James Redenbaugh: This.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: By the way, we've got a couple apps now that have a, A ton of people in them. A couple of hold ons. I don't know how they got them in. They made it just. They may have just shoved people in there. I think so this one, there's a lot of people she might have taken to everybody that's in there. But I just wanted you to notice that if, if the oh wall is not large, it, it sits up on top of the, the footer there.
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James Redenbaugh: Sneaks down below. Good.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Super, super cute the way that happens.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: I want to say, I wanted to say about something I just, I. Somebody asked me about this.
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James Redenbaugh: The.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: I think just a tool tip under these, these things would help because I actually had to take screenshots to tell. How do you change a. How do you change a little? Change a picture? Yeah, something like that would be helpful. I think once people do it, once they know will know that what that is. Let's see, what do I say? Oh wait, come on, brain. Something else that was interesting right there too. Yep. Can't remember what that was. Oh, on the chat. So that's just something I just texted about earlier. But for example, Regina was asking how to do that. That's the person's asking how do you change the background image? And I realized that we don't have an ability to attach an image here. That would be great. Emojis would be great just to get us kind of to standard chat capacity. I don't think we should allow for uploading of videos whatsoever.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: And at this point we should probably not do audio until we know what the cost of, of storing, you know, storing and posting a bunch of audio messages in here. Yeah, I think that's, that's the best thing on that.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Look at this. And this must have every person they must. She must have put every person in.
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Hera: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: So that makes, that makes then a. Then that makes a use case subject. If I'm here and I add people, add members do what on is this one? Oh, collaborative commerce. It Looks like a lot of people signed up to it. That's good. If I add. Add a member, manage members. It should be down here. If I invite a member, let's see, what's the one I put on? Can't remember. Can't remember my. My dummy accounts names which I can't delete. Which James, you should delete for me.
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James Redenbaugh: I did.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, you did already?
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay. But if I, if I invite Kim Lot to my thing here, then I shouldn't be able to just add it to the. Hold on.
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James Redenbaugh: Well, I think, I think they get an invitation like David Slon is pending or.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, then how did. Maybe on setup, how did I end up. How do we all end up in. In.
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James Redenbaugh: I think on setup they get added automatically and then on edit they have to accept.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, so. And then how do I get out of a hole and let's check. Let's check.
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James Redenbaugh: That's possible. Yeah, good question.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I think I want out of that. Hold on.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: I don't actually think it's possible.
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James Redenbaugh: I think we need to add that feature.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: If I go to, if I go to my Holons. Yeah, there's no, we have no functionality for closing a hole on or, or removing ourselves from a Holon. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm fine with being added to Holons personally, but there's probably a lot of people that don't want to come here and see like, like too many Holons. So I think an approval process even on the, the first pass. And as we look at these, let's actually just take a peek. We also are not, We're not requiring three admins right now. Let's see, where's my members? Where is my members?
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Mariko Pitts: Up top.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: They show up at the bottom.
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James Redenbaugh: No, you go to about the. About tab. Under. Go under the people. There's the wall resources.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, now it's moved here. Okay. What else is on? Oh, okay. Maybe it should be info instead of about. Yeah, about rings to my brain that you have that there's gonna be a piece of copy there.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. We could also make this the first tab as well. But.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, first tab is probably good.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay. So yeah. And then I also don't have a way. Let's see if I have a way to, to take people out. Oh, so this one. I don't, I don't know who my, my admins are.
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James Redenbaugh: You are the steward.
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Mariko Pitts: Where.
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James Redenbaugh: See this? The steward tag.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Right. Okay, so I can't remove people from my Holon now. Yep. So that's another thing how to remove people from the Holland. So that would be just simple. In the about page.
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James Redenbaugh: Well, you have to click edit.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Does it work under manage?
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James Redenbaugh: And then it's below that. I haven't made this newer area editable.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: And here we go.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So you can make people admins there.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, great. That's. That's fine. I think that's actually the best place to do it. Okay. So we can make people admins here. But I don't. But I have not yet met the requirement of having a total of 3 admins. I remember we required.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. We request that when people sign up. But it's. We need to make it mandatory even.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Even if it, you know, like here we've got the checklist for personal pages. Maybe that at the. When you hit manage, there's a checklist of things to do or something.
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James Redenbaugh: Mm.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Could be a way around that. Yeah. So I guess a lot of it. This just is just. It's all pretty good stuff. It's all management elements to get people. Yeah. To get people on and off. Hold ons. Oh, then the. The map. I guess that's the cleanup thing on the map is the zoom in. The zoom in issue or the call it an issue, but that as we zoom in, the actual people should proportionally get smaller, I guess, as we zoom into them.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So I can tell now that we have so many. There's a number of improvements I want to make to the map now that we have so many people.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. It's great, by the way. You know, and just so by the way, James, in general, I want to let you know that everybody. Nobody has much experience with it. So there's a lot. A lot of comments were about, hey, the usability of the whole list is great. But everybody did comment on how great it looked. You know, how it. How it had the right vibe, I think. And I would concur with that as well. Yeah. Look at Lisbon here. Takes up, you know, all of. All of Portugal, most of Spain and part of Morocco.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So I really like how it, like forms these honeycomb shapes.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: It is very interesting, for sure. Look, there's a hole on there. Lisbon community. Hold on.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Hera: Massive.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: And here we've lost. We begin. We lose the map even.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.
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James Redenbaugh: So it. It becomes less practical. So we need a way to deal with. With those.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
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James Redenbaugh: The super question.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Our maps. Getting some. Some spots, guys. I mean.
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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's getting.
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James Redenbaugh: It's filling in. Yeah.
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Michael Shaun Conaway: Super exciting.
00:15:15
Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.
00:15:16
Hera: Yeah. I. I love when. I love that moment when we opened That a day after when we had that last dinner. Oh yeah, the map just. Oh my God, it's lit. Portugal is lit. People were so excited to create Activation Day was actually. I mean people were just swarming in there during the activation Day. Everybody was so excited to create their Holons after the small groups.
00:15:42
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
00:15:42
Hera: So that's definitely what contributed to it.
00:15:45
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. We didn't get. We got a lot of people on there that were coming on. We haven't got a lot of Holons made yet. So I made. I made like a really short like 2 minute video on how to get your holland started to send out to the. To the whole. On to the. To the groups that did Activation Day. So hopefully we get them up there. And. And I mean I think the. That's a different topic. So I won't go into it. But. But definitely beginning to campaign to bring more people on the app and campaign to get people to actually use this really, really important step and vis a vis that. I I think. I mean what do you guys think about moving at least our. What could. Is it. Is it functional? Well, I guess we don't have. Oops.
00:16:29
James Redenbaugh: Hellman.
00:16:31
Michael Shaun Conaway: That's. Is that us? That is us.
00:16:38
James Redenbaugh: What?
00:16:38
Michael Shaun Conaway: But it is us. But how is Bart and how are these people on our. Or is this. Is this a different one?
00:16:49
Hera: This is our Holon I.
00:16:50
James Redenbaugh: It might be public. We might have made it public. We might need to make it private.
00:16:56
Hera: Yeah.
00:16:57
Michael Shaun Conaway: Because I think at one point.
00:16:58
Hera: Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:00
Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh yeah.
00:17:00
Mariko Pitts: How these people get on our hole.
00:17:03
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. People are trying to join my iris hole on and I message them like this is.
00:17:08
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. So let's move those. Let's move. I can't. I'm not. I'm not an admin. Who all is an admin.
00:17:15
James Redenbaugh: We need three admins. Hera.
00:17:17
Hera: Yeah. ERA Well, I added all of you as admins. Hold on, let me check.
00:17:22
Mariko Pitts: Let's take as admins.
00:17:24
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, make us admins because I want to kick some people out of here.
00:17:28
Mariko Pitts: Oh my God.
00:17:30
Hera: Okay, okay, okay okay.
00:17:32
Michael Shaun Conaway: So there is a hole on. That's. You do that. I'm keep. I'm going to. I'm going to go to. There is a Holon. That's the infrastructure one.
00:17:44
Hera: Yeah.
00:17:44
Michael Shaun Conaway: All the same people are here. Look this. Yeah, it looks like they've all joined this one as well. Yeah. And here's a. Here's a lovely post from last week. So. Oh, James, you put up your. Your pages, man. You are. You are definitely gonna get the. The. The ribbon for best. Best activation Day facilitator. You got a photo of your people. You got all your cards up, man.
00:18:19
Hera: Yours is really, really good, by the way.
00:18:21
Mariko Pitts: Oh my God.
00:18:23
Michael Shaun Conaway: Super, super impressed. Look, he got even got at least one member last week talking about and talking putting some things Tuesdays. I think this is fucking great. You better reply back to them. Oh yeah. They're expecting your performance.
00:18:39
James Redenbaugh: There's also a sub hole on meeting tomorrow. We're using WhatsApp to coordinate.
00:18:45
Michael Shaun Conaway: No, but.
00:18:49
James Redenbaugh: I'm gonna, I'm gonna get him, get him to use the app. But yeah, one of the projects has turned into a whole at least one a conversation that I'm a part of. I hope the others are continuing as well.
00:19:01
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah,.
00:19:06
Mariko Pitts: That's cool.
00:19:10
Michael Shaun Conaway: Okay, cool. So like I guess the question, I guess the question there again standing. What do you. I mean if we were to move our activity on to holos, what activity we would move on there and would.
00:19:27
James Redenbaugh: Would.
00:19:29
Michael Shaun Conaway: Would we want to have more people in that, that. Hold on.
00:19:33
James Redenbaugh: So that touches on two umbrella domains. Yeah. That are really important one that you mentioned. Does this want to become an app? Because I think the main barrier to it being a like a daily usable thing is notifications on a mobile device.
00:19:55
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
00:19:56
James Redenbaugh: Because right now you have to remember to go check your messages and it's under a menu that I think it's.
00:20:05
Michael Shaun Conaway: A pain to go to a URL.
00:20:08
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:20:08
Michael Shaun Conaway: Sometimes. Sometimes have to log in, sometimes not.
00:20:11
James Redenbaugh: I have the app on my phone. It looks very cool. You know, it looks like a real app. I can.
00:20:16
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, you did get an icon.
00:20:17
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, pop it open and. And it looks like a real app, but the only thing is it doesn't have notifications. There is a way if you get people to put that app on your phone to push notifications to them, but it's a little hacky. I, I think we definitely want to look into like what it, what it will actually take to make this a real app. But I would definitely want to do it in a way where we can continue to easily develop features and build out different pieces and not just get locked into something that's really difficult and expensive to edit.
00:21:03
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I think that I have a fair amount of experience with this. I think the architecture we can think about is that, you know, you. We have a shared database between the web app and the iOS and Android apps and that we, as you develop new features, you can add. Add fields to that database. But understand that that basically you have. Basically you think about it like it. The desk, the desktop can be the experimental Space, but the phone apps are like a locked version behind. And so that basically we ratchet up, we test new things out, play with them and then, and then push them down into the app. I think there's, I think it's a. Right at this point, I don't think it's super expensive. If you guys are open to it, I can ask my app team to see what they would do with it. They're in Mexico, so they're super efficient with, with money. But that way at least it would give us a, an idea of what they think in terms of hours and cost to do those things. That would give us, we don't have to use them, but it gives us a, an approach to getting an app done. That way if we, if we did something like that, then it would, it'd be great because then it would leave us free to keep pushing forward as a developing arc and have somebody else be responsible for making sure it gets locked down and then making sure that it stays bug free on the backside. All the shitty stuff you have to do every three to six months of making sure code libraries get updated and make sure, making sure you're following the rules of Apple and Android.
00:22:42
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. So I think that there's three domains of paths within apps and then there's like language choices. One domain is wrapping what we have. That's the least effort to convert, you know, what we've already built into a functioning app that can exist on the App Store. But that's going to be a little more clunky and janky than doing a full native build of what we have in React or Swift or ideally cross native so that it can be in iOS and Android. So that would be the most.
00:23:21
Michael Shaun Conaway: That hybrid approach is what, what we've always done. We've never built full native apps. So then you can use all your, you can use a good amount of your front end right off the bat. You don't have to, to specifically code. And I've never noticed on, I've never noticed, at least on our apps any big. I think we're going to have more latency in the AI components than anything else. I've never noticed anything not, not seeming to work, just seemingly very quick and fluid.
00:23:51
James Redenbaugh: So, and then we could also think about is there a minimal function set that can live in the app? Like is it just used for, for messaging or, you know, can people even create a profile on, on the app? Or is it, you know, what is. What are we designing for the computer? Because if it's really for work, you know, for getting things done in groups and action or for like learning which is another umbrella I'm excited to talk about is like getting courses in here that's going to be a lot more conducive on the computer anyway, so it might be unnecessary.
00:24:35
Michael Shaun Conaway: It's funny, we still find that with. With the Boldly app we still find that majority of people do the courses on the phone. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of super. Kind of like why would you do that to yourself when you have to type with a little tiny keyboard? But it's, it's, it's. It is. It is what the data says are.
00:24:57
James Redenbaugh: They do at your own pace courses. Because I imagine that we also want to do live. Live groups.
00:25:04
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. I think. I mean obviously live is. Yeah. I mean there again are we. I mean that's a whole nother thing to look in is the, the.
00:25:13
Hera: The.
00:25:13
Michael Shaun Conaway: The video thing may actually be much harder as an app than. I just don't actually just don't know that the tools you're using to do that. Anything that's a little prop on the.
00:25:26
James Redenbaugh: The.
00:25:27
Michael Shaun Conaway: The website becomes. Yeah. Just depends on if they're licensing it for apps and things like that too and if there's a cost for that. But I think, I think we basically take out. James, I think you're on the right path. Let's take out what are the. The big. Like this is put buckets of what the. The feature big feature groups are. Uh, and then I can just send the website over to those guys and ask them to take a look for me and see what they would. Would charge for.
00:25:59
James Redenbaugh: For.
00:26:00
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah turning into an app and then they could even. They can budget out by feature as well. There's going to be a bit they don't know that they'll have to ask you about like what's really going on here, James. But I'm, I think that that would at least get us to keep us from having to think about it right now and you know, and kind of focus more on what are the features people are using. What are the features that people are wanting and how do we get them to use them. I think that's. That's even more important than what's cool is like how do we get people to start using them and using the platform.
00:26:39
James Redenbaugh: Yep Yep. Cool. I think we should talk about. I mean there's so much to talk about, but I think we should talk about online learning because a number of people at the wave and after the wave have come up to me and said I want to put, can we put our course on the Holos platform? And there's a lot of interest in, in general for that and I think that it could be a good, a good way to get people actually on there and visiting the platform and supporting the other functions if they have a course to do and, and something to show up for every week on there for the course content and materials. And so much of what we've built already is, will be really conducive to an awesome course experience that doesn't really exist anywhere else compared to Mighty Networks and yeah, Thinkific and those things.
00:27:51
Michael Shaun Conaway: So in terms of build it, build it less and integrate in. Alex and I are open to the idea of embedding in the stuff that we built for boldly in there if you would like. If we'd like to go a direction like that. I think we would just call it a non profit piece of our, of our ecosystem. I have to figure that out.
00:28:12
James Redenbaugh: But.
00:28:15
Michael Shaun Conaway: So I'll have, maybe I'll send you to take a look at that or you and I can meet about that as an option, as an opportunity because it's finished and working.
00:28:25
Mariko Pitts: Cool.
00:28:26
Michael Shaun Conaway: I don't know exactly how we would do that, but I can think how we can think about that. I mean I think. Because I think we're also looking for that ability to say that we're like, you know, building modularly so let's see if that, that's possible.
00:28:40
James Redenbaugh: And interoperably.
00:28:42
Michael Shaun Conaway: And interoperably. I mean obviously there's database conversations with. They're not that complex. Database is not that complex because you can run multiple databases. We don't have to actually have one integrated database for those things. And I should, I should definitely take you through the back end because you'll realize it's. Yeah. I mean it's a, it's really a joy to author courses in there because it's, it's structured right. Anyway, let's, let's put, let's, let's put that on the side too because right now Holomovement doesn't have any courses. We've got one 16 minute video for Choose Love. I will, I will see about picking that back up and, and moving that forward. Then I think with Mar, we'll have a conversation with Emmanuel and Laura to see if they want to do the holo movement course. I really hope so. I think there's a lot of people who would be interested in that. Yeah. Then we have to decide what we're going to do about Courses internally as well. Our courses, courses, how do we charge for them? Are they free to anybody that comes to the app? Are they for members only of a certain level? If you're contributing $10 a month or more like that's a, that's a really interesting thing for us to have a strategy about. What do we do about those courses? Are they donation based? In other words, you like purchase based, but it's a donation instead of a purchase one dime donation to take this course. I think that's actually pretty cool. As long as the prices aren't too high to ask people for donation to do the courses. Yeah, there is, there is some, there's some, you know, there'll be some costs associated with courses because we're serving video now. And there's some, you know, great solutions. Bunny is a great video hosting solution that's super, super affordable. We switched to money when we, when we got the first. When Vimeo came to us and wanted, said they wanted to shift us from the $500 a year plan to the $500 a month plan.
00:31:02
James Redenbaugh: Oh yeah.
00:31:03
Michael Shaun Conaway: Your usage has exceeded what we would normally say for a professional account. Why do you call it a professional account then? If it's, if it's. And then it literally like. And then I went and researched. I'm like, you guys are insane. I can get it done for less than the 500 a year. You were, you were charging me from somebody else and you want to. That's crazy. I used to make.
00:31:28
James Redenbaugh: And I pay like 2500 or 25 bucks a month.
00:31:32
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
00:31:32
James Redenbaugh: And multiple clients use it and one of my clients alone has like thousands and thousands of students every month. And I never hit the limits. It's. And I can fully control the player and the controls and do call to actions.
00:31:48
Michael Shaun Conaway: After money's the same, they have a little bit better distributed network but that's about it because they're a major, they're a major player in the serving world. But yeah, so I think that, I think those things because. So we're gonna have costs is what I'm saying. If somebody's watching a video, a video based course, we're gonna have costs associated. So there should be some, there should be some money involved there.
00:32:09
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So this is a good case study. This guy Nicholas, I met him at the Wave and I'm going to meet him tomorrow, ask him some questions. Yeah, he's got this course, he's done it a number of times before with similar people. It looks amazing. It's really neat. These indigenous leaders. Six Weeks. This is what he's charging live video sessions and like resources. Super simple. And I think he normally uses Mighty Networks for the community features. And I'm curious what it could look like to bring people like this onto Hollis where. Yeah. Where we could charge, you know, something like this. And of course Hollows would get a portion and the course creator would get a portion and. And maybe there's like a minimum price but also suggested donation. And then I think maybe not at first but eventually there could be a more like a universal membership where you can get access to all the courses on there. But I think. And we can think about that. That as well and then how to track that and how do we compensate the course creators and things like that. But this could be a good case study for getting something this.
00:33:43
Michael Shaun Conaway: This is a live course.
00:33:46
James Redenbaugh: This is a live course. Yeah, yeah,.
00:33:50
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. So that would be a really good use case for sure because then we. We immediately have to tackle things like well, where do the course materials go and is that just in a hole on. And is a whole. Is it or do we create a coarse hole on. So there's. There's some things to consider about that I think to just try to model.
00:34:10
Mariko Pitts: Already designed where the material would live. Right.
00:34:13
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I already built the LMS interface that we can. Yeah, we can use. It's just been sitting there.
00:34:20
Michael Shaun Conaway: Does that. Does that include these kinds of things where there's no. There's no videos. No. There's no. Where it's a live course.
00:34:29
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So different things would come on online at different times and the course creator can put into those things the materials and then once the live session has. The recording would go up in there.
00:34:44
Michael Shaun Conaway: Recording goes up.
00:34:44
Mariko Pitts: Yeah.
00:34:46
James Redenbaugh: And things like that. Users can track what they've. What they've done and what's left to do and things like that.
00:34:56
Michael Shaun Conaway: It'd be cool if we use the chat features in the. The group like the wall or engagement.
00:35:03
James Redenbaugh: Exactly. Yeah. The same kind of thing. We can combine it to have. So like a course would kind of also be a whole on and maybe a cohort like automatically becomes a whole on after the course is over so that the people can. Who were in the course together remain in a whole lawn and stay connected there.
00:35:26
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, let's. Let's Mark, we've got to tackle this use of word. Hold on. I'm already in trouble just with Susan as it is when I start telling her there's hold ons that are just together because they took a course. She may have. She may. It may Be the final, the final, the final straw with her.
00:35:47
Mariko Pitts: It's like, we need to get a glossary down next day.
00:35:52
Hera: We need.
00:35:52
Michael Shaun Conaway: We didn't need to get a glossary. What do we call groups of people who are not. Yeah. Even right now, like, she, like, we had to have a. Made a serious talk. And now I'm now figuring I'm not scheduling serious talks with Susan every once in a while just so she can say all she needs to say. But it was a serious talk when, when we, when it was the notion was that people didn't have to meet first in person to be a holon.
00:36:17
Mariko Pitts: Like, wait, what happened?
00:36:19
Michael Shaun Conaway: She just couldn't, she couldn't imagine us putting people into a holon who hadn't. Who weren't geographically together. That we got, we got through that one in, in like April. Our first kind of long meeting about it.
00:36:32
Mariko Pitts: Oh, interesting.
00:36:33
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Because she has a. She has the idea of hope, and she's not wrong. She's coming from a place that's not wise and whatnot. When people come together like the volunteer group in Lisbon, and they bond in a wave and they're much more likely to succeed as a group. So I think, I say she's not wrong, but that doesn't mean that it's not. Yes, and yes. We've got these geographically located holons where people have connected deeply and we've got groups of people who've just met and they're doing something together. It's not like there's whole on scarcity. We have whole lot abundance in the hole.
00:37:12
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we've had a. We've had a whole on and we didn't meet in person until Hollow Movement.
00:37:19
Hera: And you know what? We've had multiple conversations about it because we know even back in Asheville that there will be different configurations. Like, there will be like, like Madrid, Ibiza, Asheville. There will be whole lines that are tied to their locations. But like you said, there's going to be holon abundance. There's no limits to what a holon could look like. And we've had multiple discussions about it. We even at one point even thought about naming a geographically associated holon into a hub or into a. They're kind of like operating as chapters, basically. Like, if you. Whether you think about TED or like, which other international organizations, they're the geographical chapters, maybe we are.
00:38:05
Mariko Pitts: Maybe the ones that are formed, the regional ones after a wave are more chapters.
00:38:10
Michael Shaun Conaway: Chapters or hubs. I mean, I guess we'd have to talk to them. Yeah, we'd have to talk to. Talk to. To Emanuel about that because his thing, it was a hub was more of the theme or a topic. But I think I like the idea of. Of there being regional hubs and topic hubs and then there's a whole lot that are inside of that.
00:38:29
Hera: And then we also have the financial club. So we definitely need to define.
00:38:33
Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, yeah, I think we just called them financial sponsors or.
00:38:36
Hera: Yeah, yeah.
00:38:37
Michael Shaun Conaway: Or the financial stewards or something like that.
00:38:41
Mariko Pitts: Something. We'll figure it out. But yeah, it's a whole other call.
00:38:46
Michael Shaun Conaway: That's a whole thing. Well, I'll try to. Maybe I can just try to write some of them these things down so we have a document to work from at least to the things.
00:38:54
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, maybe there's some kind of hierarchy of Holons or taxonomy of Holons where they can function differently. So there's like, not just private and public, but maybe there's like baby Holons and then like established Holons and like. And which. Yeah, or something like that. And like, which.
00:39:19
Michael Shaun Conaway: Which holons for qualifying.
00:39:22
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. What do you have to do to qualify for funding?
00:39:24
Hera: Pretty sure. I'm pretty sure we had a conversation about that in one of our early calls about taxonomy. So we can go back to that for sure. We've had. We had a document on that too. Oh, and while we're. While we're talking about this, I also want to add Engine for Good. A lot of people really connected with a vision of, you know, I mean, they love what we're doing. They love that everything that we're doing is for. For supporting impact projects through via Purpose Earth. I think if you could think about that as we think about updates and features or improvements in the app, that would be amazing because, say, for example, for the course, how do we incorporate the engine for good or that we are supporting all these projects as we're doing, you know, how do we incorporate that in their journey as they're taking the courses? So, yeah, put out here.
00:40:29
James Redenbaugh: Another thing we've talked about is how to integrate Purpose Earth existing projects.
00:40:36
Hera: Yes, yes, yes.
00:40:38
James Redenbaugh: And then also speaking of learning, I'm curious how learning as a concept fits into the engine for good, because that feels really symbiotic as another kind of currency in the system where we're not just funding and doing and building, but there can be learning circles. And learning being on the platform can be really generative in all kinds of ways.
00:41:03
Michael Shaun Conaway: That's. That's good. I think, as you were saying, that there'd be a Price for a course. I think even at the basic price for any kind of course, I think we just say 50 of it goes to the engine for good and then kind of put it at that. Then you can make a donation on top of that if you want. But I would never let people go zero donations on things. The basic effects are, I'm like even.
00:41:29
Hera: Thinking one of the ways that we could do it is as they donate, as they move to donate on a course, they could also pick a prize project, but they want to support through that. So that's a good way to. To make them feel part of it.
00:41:45
Michael Shaun Conaway: And that's. That's definitely a 2.0 projects for them to support.
00:41:52
Hera: You have a long list for the 2.0.
00:41:54
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Because I mean, if you think about that, you're actually asking for a feature set. That's a GoFundMe feature set now. And I think it's kind of cool. But I. I also think there's something to be said for funding Meritus projects versus popular projects. And so, you know, I think that, that there's something kind of serious about picking where the money goes. We'd be really. It'd be really horrible if somebody came up with a, you know, jackass the project and then everybody thought it was really funny and directed all their. Their funds into it. We just. I just don't know if we want to. I think we want to set ourselves up.
00:42:37
Hera: That.
00:42:38
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Or people figure out how to hack the system or they just are trying to get all their friends to vote for me.
00:42:43
Michael Shaun Conaway: That vote for me. Yeah. So that's. And it's a. It's really a pain to build all that stuff anyway. So for right now we're just saying.
00:42:50
Mariko Pitts: Here it could be like I could just, you know, I'm into sacred ecology. And you click on that and then, you know, it's like the money will be spread within these, these projects within that.
00:43:01
Michael Shaun Conaway: That could be cool. And that you can see a little animation. The engine for good. There's a little drops. You know, you feel the engine was the step. And you could, when you do it, you could do this little thing. You could put the icon, like a little canister with the icon of the feet area and the drops go into that thing and. And then it can tell you how much is in them. You know, there's. There's not a lot of money in the bank right now, but there's about a thousand bucks. So, you know, it's kind of. Is kind of interesting that it is. It is Interesting that you could turn it into a bit of a dashboard for people. That solves one of the problems I'm having with the app, actually. What if when you logged in, it gave you, you know, here's like, here's your notifications. There's things going on with your Holons, there's things going on with, with chats. And then right underneath that was the, the daily dashboard for, for how much funds are in the engine for good.
00:44:01
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So that touches on another umbrella domain I wanted to get into, which is a more robust notification ecology that's also plugged into email. Where we have.
00:44:14
Mariko Pitts: That was my big thing. We need to get email notifications out.
00:44:18
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:44:19
Mariko Pitts: Keep people active at least.
00:44:21
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. So we have all these functions and we have ways of, of tracking things and connecting that traffic in different ways. But we need like a nervous system in everything to make all of that more visible and then sent to people in key ways. So if, like they have unread messages in their inbox, can they get a, a single email that says you have messages waiting from, you know, these people? And, you know, if they want, maybe they could get a note, an email notification. Every, every message that they get, they could have that setting. I know a lot of people won't want that. I don't want too many emails all the time, but I would love a daily summary of like, oh, there's messages in there, I should check them, or somebody updated in these hole lines. Here's a summary of those, those whole lines. And then if we have that kind of personalized nervous system, we could connect that more easily into a global nervous system for our own purposes and maybe making that public as well. Like, here's some, you know, ripples of the activity happening in these Holons. Here's the new Holons this month.
00:45:40
Michael Shaun Conaway: There's that, there's that. There's that feature that I told you guys about from the. The app that talks about altered alters is the psychedelic journey tracking AI app. And what was. What's cool is you go in there and it, it tells you what, what story, what, what people, what are the things people are talking about? So basically AI scrapes through things and then comes up with a digest. Not a digest of specifics, but hey, people are feeling like this and they've got this kind of. This seems to be emergent in the space. It'd be really cool if there was some kind of digest feature, which also might be something that goes on that dashboard again. Hey, the temperature of the day is Hot. There's lots of activity and people are bubbling around. These ideas, anything that surfaces the community for the user at the beginning, here's the money we raised, here's your messages, here's the things that are going on. I think would be. Would be really great for people to have repeat usage,.
00:46:40
Mariko Pitts: Ask them how they're doing, maybe. I think we talked about this before. The AI can collect them or recommend a resource in our ecosystem. Eventually. I think we do need to be talking about where the resources and media. We have so much stuff that needs to come on board. We have media right now because there's a wave. But there are a lot of things, meditations, all these things that can be recommended depending on how someone is feeling. It's like how tuning in today, how are you feeling? You know, what's up? What's that in the air today for you? And then it's just something that is collected, you know, and you tell that it might be as soon as you open in to come into the app. Mr. Welcome. It's like the app is asking you, how are you?
00:47:20
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah.
00:47:22
Hera: Test a couple of months ago. And he's actually ready to create content based on that as well. So that's created specifically for this purpose.
00:47:30
Michael Shaun Conaway: Did. Did he ever make any of the motiv meditations after we sent him all the. The recordings?
00:47:37
Hera: I will check because we've sent him like a really.
00:47:41
Mariko Pitts: He's already made a bunch. Yeah, we already have some that we should be. You know, it's just like, when do we want to add in the footage? The stuff we already have is the resources. What does that look like?
00:47:53
Michael Shaun Conaway: Is that part. Is that going to LMS space or is it going the. In a library space?
00:47:58
Mariko Pitts: Library, probably.
00:48:00
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
00:48:00
Mariko Pitts: So, but I want it to be res. It needs to be pulled in some way and you get AI like this. It might be based off of these questions of like, we'll recommend something to support you. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, okay. This is interesting because we can tag any of these resources that we add in. Right. And so depending on what they say, then Claude brings up something that they can listen to or a walking meditation or here's a song or things like that.
00:48:25
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, this is. Yeah, this is great.
00:48:28
James Redenbaugh: That touches on two other umbrella domains, the resource library, which can exist, I think, as an organ connected to these other pieces integral to online learning and whole ones, but I think it can also be its own thing and we can design it in a way where it's built for humans and agents so people can use their own agents to quickly see what's, you know, what's on here, what's going on. Anyway, that's one domain of conversation. But then another thing that we should definitely bring into our awareness is privacy and how to communicate about that and how we need to legally communicate about that. But also how we should design the system to be both private and internally public and communicate, kind of encourage sharing of like information and data and feelings and whatnot to people in a ways that they know that it's safe enough in the, in the community, but also in ways where they trust us to use that data in the ways that we're talking about in now in getting that pulse. And like, are we excluding things like private messages from that? And if we're not, can we like. I wouldn't ever want to take the private messages and send it to Claude or OpenAI and come back, even though we would get a lot of cool stuff back. But I would, you know, I could set up a protected environment on a local machine and run it, run those kind of things through local models so the data never leaves the closed system. And then we could do cool things with that.
00:50:27
Michael Shaun Conaway: Is our data already anonymous data or is our user stuff, user login and name and stuff like that held separately than the database of the content?
00:50:43
James Redenbaugh: It is all protected and encrypted, but supabase admins like myself can see anything except passwords. And you know, we could do extra encryption where like even I in the server couldn't, couldn't read people's messages. Yeah, might be good.
00:51:09
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. The best ones are where the, the best, best case is where your, all your logon data is actually stored on your own device and not even stored anywhere. And then that pings to, you know, through an encrypted approach to just a user, a user number so that everything that we, nothing that we have has a name associated with it. That's, that's. And you can do that without having it stored on their device. But it's a. I don't know. We can. As part of the doing the app thing, we can also do a, we probably should do a privacy and data security test, get a cut. There's companies that do those things. They just pour through everything and tell you where all your vulnerabilities are. But I think in, in terms of if we're going to tell people that their data is private and going to stay private, then we should be pretty robust in our capacity to make sure that's the case.
00:52:08
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, but there's Some things that, That won't be private like our. Like now you show up on the Hollows. On the Hollow Movement homepage. You can't see profiles without logging in. Yeah, but we can see the globe and the names of people. Yeah, that's true. And so.
00:52:38
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, that's. We didn't ask permission to do that, did we?
00:52:42
James Redenbaugh: I don't know. I didn't ask him why. I just. I'm just following orders.
00:52:49
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. No, I wonder. I wonder if there's like. If that's not done it.
00:52:55
James Redenbaugh: It should be in the privacy policy in terms of service.
00:52:58
Michael Shaun Conaway: No, I just. I'm just wondering if that. If people would be upset about that if they thought about it. If they're. If anybody would be upset about their name and. And location being listed on our website. If so, then we need to have the. The ability for people to turn that on and off.
00:53:17
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:53:18
Michael Shaun Conaway: At least the version goes on the. The homepage.
00:53:23
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I think that's a. That's a critical feature anyway.
00:53:28
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Yeah. All these things, all these opt outs I think are really important. The ability to opt out of things and the ability to. To leave and delete all data traces is. Well it's. It's a. It's the law. We. You see how many people are in Europe and so we're in GDPR right there. So we've gotta make sure and cover that. Okay.
00:53:48
James Redenbaugh: So although they'll have trouble suing an entity that doesn't exist.
00:53:54
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. They'll just sue all of us.
00:53:57
James Redenbaugh: Sure.
00:53:59
Michael Shaun Conaway: All you guys that are associated with that damn thing that doesn't exist. We'll sue you. I don't know anything about it. I've never. I never. I just have put my face up there. They stole my. They stole my data. Those Iris Co Creative. Those Iris Co Pirating Company.
00:54:17
Hera: I'm. I'm.
00:54:18
James Redenbaugh: I'm an AI anyway.
00:54:20
Michael Shaun Conaway: You're not even a person. Yeah.
00:54:23
James Redenbaugh: I'm also adding to the important category of just getting a cookie consent up for Europeans. We have that on the Hollow Movement.
00:54:35
Michael Shaun Conaway: Thank you.
00:54:36
James Redenbaugh: But we gotta put that.
00:54:37
Michael Shaun Conaway: Is it a pop up on the holo movement or is it.
00:54:40
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:43
Mariko Pitts: Great.
00:54:47
Michael Shaun Conaway: So I think that in the next week if we can. You can keep moving people through getting these little fixes put up and the things we've talked about. Great. But maybe we can really just try to map out domains. James and I'd be happy to meet sometime later in the week, just you and me to talk a little bit further. Just map out a bunch of domains so that when we meet next week, we can figure out what's most important. Start. Yeah. And figure out what's important by when as well. As well.
00:55:23
Mariko Pitts: When. Do you think we can get comms up for emails connected?
00:55:27
James Redenbaugh: That seems most important. So I. I can focus on that this week.
00:55:34
Mariko Pitts: Okay. Because just an FYI, we did really good with wave participants to get in, but I have not put an email out to the full email list.
00:55:45
James Redenbaugh: No.
00:55:45
Mariko Pitts: So this is good. This is like, I don't want to put this out until we do the next round of cleanups and get the emails up. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna hold off on it, but we have a good testing ground right now. And so just, you know, this is what we're using it as. This is the first good test ground. So we did really good job getting everybody.
00:56:03
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. This is awesome that this is only waivers. Yeah. They're still coming every day.
00:56:08
Mariko Pitts: Yeah. There's some that are putting out on socials, but we're not pushing or any money behind it. Just kind of keeping it going because it was launched. But the emails are our main communicators. That's where most people see our stuff and take action. We have pretty strong open rates and things like that, so I haven't put it out there yet. It only went to wave people who've already attended that kind of stuff to keep them going. So. But this is pretty strong for non email list groups.
00:56:36
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. That's awesome. It's so cool to see them on the map.
00:56:40
Mariko Pitts: Hold it off. I think once you just let me know. I think we've cleaned up some of these little things that we were just talking about and if we can get some email comms up, because it's going to be crucial. We want people going back in and getting notifications so they can go play and things like that. Yeah. Before the next group comes in for.
00:56:59
Michael Shaun Conaway: The next wave comes in. James, did you notice I had some error messages from Stripe this thing up in there and figure out what that is. It seems like it's with a test mode to a web hook.
00:57:15
James Redenbaugh: I. I think it's just the test that we were running before the production, but I pinged him about it as well. He's coming back from a retreat in Colorado, but I. I'm going to meet with him as soon as I can anyway, so we'll. We'll touch on that.
00:57:33
Michael Shaun Conaway: Super cool. I just want to say I'm super. I'm super glad I got to have the experience of building this this far with you. Guys. And how it. It actually, how it premiered was really good. It was really. People really loved it. And that. That's. People really loved it.
00:57:52
James Redenbaugh: And. And it.
00:57:53
Michael Shaun Conaway: It still seems like we've just. We're just getting started. Like we need to get Holons to be able to collaborate with Holons and we need to get allied organizations on there. Like, there's just so much. But on the other hand, I think. I think most people are, you know, just in awe that we've done something and super cool.
00:58:15
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. A few people came up to me and said I kept in building my own similar app, but I'm really impressed with what you guys have been able to do and what's. What's going on here. It was so awesome to be at the Wave with everybody and get so much really inspiring feedback and feel this coming alive in awesome ways. And this is. I mean, it already was before the Wave, like by far my biggest project going on, but this is even more so the thing I'm working on that I'm most excited about.
00:58:58
Mariko Pitts: Oh, I'm very happy to hear that, James.
00:59:00
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, likewise. It's funny because we're. We're actually the renegade whole of movement team. They're like, I guess this sound. This is really good. I think, like Susan said on a call a couple of days ago, we.
00:59:21
Hera: I don't.
00:59:21
Michael Shaun Conaway: I don't want. Don't force the. Don't force the Lisbon Holon onto the app. It could destroy them. I'm like, what?
00:59:28
Mariko Pitts: Like,.
00:59:33
James Redenbaugh: If it could destroy them, then.
00:59:38
Michael Shaun Conaway: Either. Either we're the coolest thing since Slice Bed or we're Darth Vader is what you're saying.
00:59:45
Mariko Pitts: Is the coolest damn thing.
00:59:46
Michael Shaun Conaway: Dark side.
00:59:47
James Redenbaugh: I don't know.
00:59:49
Michael Shaun Conaway: So I just.
00:59:49
Mariko Pitts: I just. People really love it. I agree though. I'm getting a lot of good feedback. They just love that we created our own thing and it's like way different, very aligned. They love that they all have a space here. It's just something I. I think when you. When you have a community that really vibes so well together, then they just. It's good that there's a place that they feel that they can connect deeper and then work further in that alone help people. Just the idea that we gave them somewhere else to be together in a. In a. In a bigger community that then connected them to everybody else in the world that's in the community.
01:00:25
Hera: That was a big deal.
01:00:27
Mariko Pitts: Yeah. So awesome. It's winning. We were looking real bright and shiny. This Wave, I must say, versus the.
01:00:33
Michael Shaun Conaway: Last true with this, with our tech,.
01:00:35
Mariko Pitts: Plus, you know, an extraordinary time in production. It was just, it was like the icing on the cake having the app this year.
01:00:43
Hera: So awesome watching the replay. Just before this call, I was, I, I think I messaged you, Mar. And I'm like, oh, my goodness. The amount of work everybody has done.
01:00:55
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
01:00:58
Hera: I'm like, I only, I only had the opportunity to watch it today. And I'm like, oh,.
01:01:05
Michael Shaun Conaway: I still haven't watched the.
01:01:06
Mariko Pitts: I looked at some of it and I was pretty astounded by actually. I was like, oh, this is actually kind of good.
01:01:11
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I think, actually, Mar, you and I should watch all of it. Even if we have to do it at double speed, we should watch all of it.
01:01:20
Mariko Pitts: I watched like, I don't know, 40 minutes of the broadcast and I was like, damn. And I just kept what. I just couldn't stop watching it and Lucky. But I started it somewhere in the middle. And then on I saw Saturday and then I watched all the way to the end. It was like, oh. And I was interviewed at the very end of it. It was so interesting.
01:01:39
Hera: It feels refreshing because the order. You changed the order, right?
01:01:43
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, the order was different. Yeah. So I was like, oh, this is.
01:01:46
Hera: A totally different experience. Like the video, yeah. The video that Emmanuel showed at the end of his talk was like, right.
01:01:55
Mariko Pitts: Before I, at the end, before I came on.
01:01:58
Hera: Yeah, Yeah.
01:01:59
Mariko Pitts: I was like, damn, that's an interesting way to do that. That was a cool way to end the Saturday night with that video. I was like, they're, they were tuning in in an interesting way with their broadcast, like that journey that they did.
01:02:11
Michael Shaun Conaway: So it was cool.
01:02:14
Mariko Pitts: I gotta watch the whole thing. But it was good. It was well done. Like, I mean, the, the cards, the title cards, just the animations, you know, every. It was really well done.
01:02:25
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah.
01:02:26
James Redenbaugh: Great job.
01:02:27
Michael Shaun Conaway: I've got to spend a little bit more time with it. I've just been spending time with the individual videos, but I got to watch the whole thing. And that's a whole another, that's a whole another thing. And James is, you know, I, I, I also just. How do we, you know, like, we had the, the video chat group going on there. Like, there's, there's a whole thing that also informs us about the live, all the rest of the live things. If we start doing some swells and some rising tides, like, then the app also becomes something where there's. There could be shit going on all the time too. Live stuff going on. All the time.
01:03:00
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:03:01
Michael Shaun Conaway: You know, or live and recorded live stuff. So I guess that there's some intersection between live courses and live events and library. Lilibrary, Lili Library, live library, library. That we just need to think about the user experience because what we don't want to want have happen and what we're in danger of really quickly is a menu that's got seven things on it. And we have to think a little bit more about like what the users want to experience more than just menus for them to click on or what's the. What are pathways into content versus.
01:03:39
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:03:39
Michael Shaun Conaway: Old hierarchical format of building. Building things.
01:03:43
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. We should also think about maybe a side nav or the desktop version where we could collapse things more easily. Because there's. I mean there's so much to think about. But I want to. I love the little member modal that you hover over and open up and you can find your messages and your checklists and whatnot, but I don't think that people see it. Go, go in there. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, also I wanted to say I was so busy with the, the app stuff, I wasn't even thinking about activation day until it came around. But I had so much fun on activation day.
01:04:34
Mariko Pitts: You were so good at that.
01:04:36
Hera: Oh my God,.
01:04:39
Michael Shaun Conaway: You guys, you guys, you did really, really good. There was like, there was people that had more prep time than you did that didn't shepherd like you and you had a wild woolly bunch of people that those were not the most well behaved crowd. And you guys actually produced a lot of really good thinking in the day and that that takes some skill. So I, and I and my, my spies inside of your. Your activation day group said that you're actually really great in front of the room as well.
01:05:07
Hera: Awesome.
01:05:07
James Redenbaugh: I totally forgot that I'm a trained facilitator.
01:05:12
Michael Shaun Conaway: I forgot I knew how to do this.
01:05:14
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. My training kicked in. I was like, oh yeah.
01:05:17
Mariko Pitts: Oh my God, I love that.
01:05:19
Hera: I was like so surprised. I think like hours before, before that. Because like, Margo was like, you're gonna do it. I was like, oh. Like, I thought it's gonna be you and James. Like, no, I'm not gonna do that.
01:05:31
Michael Shaun Conaway: Of that. About three weeks before the. The wave, you just missed that call, I guess.
01:05:35
Mariko Pitts: Yeah. You just missed that she was still.
01:05:36
James Redenbaugh: In the program though.
01:05:40
Hera: I was like, am I so. And then I saw that it's. It's just Mar and Jess. It's like, okay, okay, I'm not gonna be doing this. I'm gonna Chill.
01:05:48
Michael Shaun Conaway: My favorite thing was that the day on, on Sunday when I talked to James about his questions, he said there's questions. I'm like, you didn't watch any of the recordings of the calls that we did.
01:06:03
Mariko Pitts: Busy man.
01:06:04
James Redenbaugh: Okay, here.
01:06:05
Michael Shaun Conaway: I literally just wrote them and said, here's your questions.
01:06:07
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we figured out, we got it printed. They were great questions. People loved them and I actually saved them all in case we want to do something with the data. I've got a stack of them and yeah, I want to plant the seed. I feel like next year maybe Activation day wants to become like Activation week because I wish we had.
01:06:31
Michael Shaun Conaway: And also if you could, if you can, if we can learn James and we can, we can host these Activation Day kind of experiences on the app. When you get. Yeah, when we get to 30 people, it'll spawn out a Saturday activation for people. And then it would just facilitate. The AI would just facilitate.
01:06:51
James Redenbaugh: Cool.
01:06:52
Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean if you think about it, the mechanics of it are actually really, really simple. It's all about giving people the time to be together and ponder a question.
01:07:02
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:07:03
Michael Shaun Conaway: And then just maybe a little bit of help to get to shape the thing. I don't want AI to tell them what the unifying themes are. I think that's what we want the human beings to do, the synthesis. So we don't want to suggest that. But how do we support that and how do we. I just think there's a. There's something about that that could be a digital thing as it. As much as it is a real life thing. It could be an eight hour experience, but we could certainly figure out those kinds of things. Or it could even be a modular step for a brand new holon to do a brainstorming like that, that style.
01:07:43
James Redenbaugh: Of, of creation even just like you take one simple piece of that, the first part of getting paired up with somebody, having them ask you questions and then you asking them questions and writing down the responses. If we had that built in as a, as a function and then we could collect data from that, like it would be insane.
01:08:09
Michael Shaun Conaway: Nobody's going to put that information themselves and nobody's going to answer the questions. Somebody else's typing. We'll get so much more data.
01:08:17
James Redenbaugh: Exactly, exactly. The space of presence or something.
01:08:20
Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Of what's really coming through. The commonality of things that are popping in.
01:08:26
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah.
01:08:28
Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean this conversation is a killer conversation because it's. What I keep saying that we should be doing is that everybody else has already developed all the things that individuals need to do. To organize their life, to network. So we shouldn't really focus much time on doing those things. We should do focus times on the things that are between people that get dialogue going in this case or get collaboration happening because nobody is designed for that. And I, there was a, there's a quote that I think somebody said something like that and I amplified. It didn't initially come from me, but in the way that it came up is that, that you know, personal development's dead. It's. It's now the age of collective development or collaborative development. I just like, I love that as a notion.
01:09:12
James Redenbaugh: Like yeah, I've been saying that for years. That's why I named my.
01:09:16
Michael Shaun Conaway: Personal development is dead because of the people are selling the, that are selling the. And that they're selling to people.
01:09:21
James Redenbaugh: But there's, there's so much, there's so much out there and there's so much focus on individuals. And the whole point is that we're not individuals anyway. You know, we're facets of these deeper things and, and there's so many more capacities that we have yet to learn to develop as groups. Then.
01:09:45
Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, it just blew my mind for a second. You know, the whole thing about your, your weight is the average rate of the seven people you spend the most time with. That research, which I don't know if it's, it's accurate or true, but there's a whole bunch of research now that says that, that really if you want to look at who you are, you can take a measurement of the, the people that are in your, in your close network. In landmark, they call them the network of conversations. What are the conversations that are active in your life? It would be super interesting to be able to, to start talking about the collaborative space you're in. Like who, who you becoming because of the space around you. You're developing a capacity for this and a capacity for that. I mean that's, that's literally developing ourselves as a collective, not developing ourselves as a self or as a, as a individual self. There's some real rich there richness there. And I think if we spend time figuring these things out, I don't think anybody else is even trying so much blue ocean versus a red ocean. This is, this, this ocean's so blue that we're gonna have to build a big tower to let people know that we're out there because it's so far out from, from the furthest shore of what everybody else is populating.
01:11:00
James Redenbaugh: Conquer. Yeah, I think when we did it.
01:11:04
Hera: Go ahead.
01:11:06
James Redenbaugh: I was just Gonna say. I. I grew up with landmark people, so I grew up in conversations about conversations.
01:11:12
Michael Shaun Conaway: Conversations about conversations. That's super funny. They've been one of our clients since 20. I just went my. I was in my drive stage since 20, 2010.
01:11:20
James Redenbaugh: Oh, wow.
01:11:21
Michael Shaun Conaway: We've been their agency and making all their media and stuff.
01:11:24
James Redenbaugh: Oh, interesting. That's so funny. They have an app.
01:11:26
Michael Shaun Conaway: I haven't spent any time on it because I don't really care to look at other people's stuff much, but they have an app that's got a lot of their courses and course materials and things up on it now. I have since about the second year of company.
01:11:38
James Redenbaugh: I'm amazed. They're still. They're still going. That's how. I guess it was pre landmark, but my parents met through s. Training.
01:11:47
Michael Shaun Conaway: Oh, you're an SD baby, huh?
01:11:49
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:11:51
Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm sorry.
01:12:00
James Redenbaugh: Anyway, so much. So much to do. So exciting.
01:12:05
Hera: And before I. Before I forget, we had such a good start at the activation day collecting all of those pieces of. Of flip chart pages with all their ideas on it. And this may be a larger team conversation. I really want us to, like, figure out how we could onboard people into the app. This concerns us more on the app side, but maybe this is a larger team conversation. How do we, you know, contact people from all those different groups and, like, get them to really, like, be, like, feel the same level of community that I feel belt on those four days in the Holos app.
01:12:41
Mariko Pitts: Well, did the facilitators. Was it prompted for the facilitators to collect all the information or these contact data of their people?
01:12:49
Hera: Yeah, we did.
01:12:50
Michael Shaun Conaway: It wasn't. It wasn't prompted, and it's. It was. That's all my fault.
01:12:56
Mariko Pitts: Didn't anybody do it? James and Harry, did you guys do it?
01:12:59
Hera: Yeah, we did. We collected it. And it's also an eventi. At least more. More than half of our group is an event.
01:13:07
James Redenbaugh: And we have this picture.
01:13:09
Michael Shaun Conaway: We all. We have most of the. We have most of the. The champions, and. And we just have to start reaching out to the champions and say, who is in your group? I think. I think we can get to the end of that.
01:13:21
Mariko Pitts: Okay. All right.
01:13:22
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, I. I think. I think when we went from, like, 70 to 150, which I was running on set, like, we're at 70 up until the week before, and then it's like, no, no, we have a lot more than 70.
01:13:32
Mariko Pitts: And I was like, like, holy hell, you guys. I was like, you guys, what? I have, like, no more than 300. I was like that attitude is not going to fly.
01:13:40
Michael Shaun Conaway: I don't know about the attitude but.
01:13:42
Mariko Pitts: I know you haven't been to a wave, clearly.
01:13:45
Michael Shaun Conaway: I want, I want AI to look at, I want the air to look at the picture in that room when we were doing that, the call outs about the whole. I think we had 200 people in there. I think it was more than 150. I think there's a lot of people that came to Activation Day Black just showed up and went to a room.
01:14:03
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, there are a few that I invited specifically like Value Flow. There were actual big deal entrepreneurs or yeah, they were big deal within Lisbon that came and couldn't come. So yeah, there were a lot of people.
01:14:17
Michael Shaun Conaway: There's a lot of people there.
01:14:19
James Redenbaugh: The one restaurant was pissed.
01:14:20
Hera: The infrastructure section were like actual tech, like the big tech shots in, in Portugal.
01:14:29
Michael Shaun Conaway: That's cool, that's great.
01:14:30
Hera: Yeah.
01:14:31
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:14:34
Hera: At lunch we were waiting for Thiago and I just found, I, I looked in, I look at them, I, I, I looked at, looked for their profile LinkedIn.
01:14:43
Mariko Pitts: I was like oh yeah, these are like big deal people that I invited directly for. Yeah, they couldn't make it or they made it like sad Sunday part of Sunday and then they continued on Monday.
01:14:54
Hera: Monday.
01:14:55
Michael Shaun Conaway: Well that's fine. It's, it certainly I forgot to tell.
01:14:58
Mariko Pitts: The, the restaurant though.
01:15:03
Michael Shaun Conaway: That was one that there was like 220 lunches weren't there and there's not.
01:15:08
Mariko Pitts: Even all the people ate. So it was 220 for sure. Definitely. Yeah.
01:15:13
Michael Shaun Conaway: I was, I was, I was not, I was not well really we needed a, we needed, we needed some more help on the day I ultimately but, but that was something I, I just didn't usually what I tell people to do and it just didn't end up in the instructions is that when they do those white papers that everybody that's helping with it just write their names down in the papers and then you've got all the names.
01:15:35
James Redenbaugh: But yeah, I got a bunch of papers and a lot of names on there.
01:15:40
Michael Shaun Conaway: I, I had, I think I had at least I think there's 15000 steps in the, in the six hours of activation Day. So.
01:15:48
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, well next year I'd be happy to help a lot more with any of that.
01:15:58
Mariko Pitts: We have to figure out what we got to think about it. There are things that people didn't like about it. Some people liked it. So we need to really kind of look at what worked, what didn't and every, everything is always just going to grow no matter what, even just the basic wave stuff.
01:16:13
Michael Shaun Conaway: And this is, this is a structured form of collaboration and there's a lot of people that, that excel at unstructured things or desires for unstructured things. And so it's tough to figure out, like, how to get people to the environment that they want. I think is, is probably one of the takeaways from that. The people who were really wanting to, to have that had, you know, those are the ones that, the ones that wanted to like, get together and do something but didn't know what they wanted to do. Those are the ones that had the best time and newbies had a really good time with it, but people that. There were people that were more serious people that, that might not have found what they were looking for there. I think that's the thing that we have to watch out for is like, how do we take the ones that don't need guardrails and, you know, facilitators and give them spaces to, to, to work and work it out too. So I wrote a debriefing on it. That's, that's on my mind as well.
01:17:08
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, we also need more of a local, like a space for just the locals. Like, you know, I think it's a missed opportunity if the locals didn't come together to figure out how their home is going to work.
01:17:18
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of. I think that was also a little bit missed because I think a lot of the volunteers didn't think they were invited because they only got the three day. They only gave the volunteers three day tickets. So there's a lot of volunteers that didn't show up. We kept Alex and I kept saying, no, come. Doesn't matter if you matter if, you.
01:17:36
Mariko Pitts: Know, there was an announcement that was later because a lot of people asked and I think it was more for the work schedule because they just didn't have. They didn't need to be working so much. That many. But yeah, I think that either way. Because I think either way they should have had a local hole on. We needed to have some type of, you know, constructive way for them to build their hole on itself. Yeah.
01:17:59
Michael Shaun Conaway: So there's a lot to build for activation day. There's a lot. And, and we learned a lot and some things worked really well. Other things didn't work as well.
01:18:07
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, we'll go from there.
01:18:09
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. And, and I think it's a, it's, it's a huge, It's a really, a really good investment of time. It's what separates that for me, that's kind of what separates out it. Going from a really cool event to a really cool event that produces something. And so, you know, we may have to invent new ways of doing it and we may have to have some technological support and all kinds of stuff. I mean, I think we can. I think we could be the best in the world at it again. Like, we could. We could figure out this. Like nobody else has ever figured it out.
01:18:45
Mariko Pitts: We're already doing things people don't do. So it's all.
01:18:49
Michael Shaun Conaway: No, it's true. No, I. Well, the whole, the whole orientation is. Is just different. So it's hard to. Hard for people to compare the collaborative space, the collective space, versus the everyday competitive, capitalistic.
01:19:07
Mariko Pitts: Well, we got people, people that act like they went through a landmark without having to do any of the workshops. Got transformational shit going on in this joint.
01:19:18
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah.
01:19:19
Michael Shaun Conaway: Well, it's a context, right? It's the context. You're in that space. Okay, well, great. I'm super excited, guys, for what happens next. James, let's try to get some things written down. Let me know when you could possibly meet later in the week. We can do that on the Holos app on a direct chat.
01:19:37
Mariko Pitts: Oh yeah, let's do a meeting. Let's do a meeting in our live room soon too.
01:19:43
James Redenbaugh: Oh yeah, I've got some.
01:19:45
Mariko Pitts: Get that up and going.
01:19:46
James Redenbaugh: Some updates to push for that. But people loved that when I, I did like an hour long chat while we were waiting for the broadcast to get going. And people.
01:19:57
Mariko Pitts: People were in it.
01:19:58
James Redenbaugh: People were in it. Yeah. We had like 18 folks in there and they were stoked to meet each other and share and.
01:20:05
Mariko Pitts: Oh, wow, that's cool.
01:20:07
James Redenbaugh: Test it out.
01:20:07
Mariko Pitts: You take a screenshot at least?
01:20:09
James Redenbaugh: I did. I got some screenshots.
01:20:12
Hera: I didn't know that it was for a full hour. That's super cool.
01:20:15
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I kept thinking that the broadcast was going to start, so we.
01:20:20
Michael Shaun Conaway: Kept that it's gonna start any minute.
01:20:23
Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah. Jesus. That's crazy, man.
01:20:27
Hera: Screenshot.
01:20:28
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I'll share a screenshot.
01:20:30
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah. I wonder if. I wonder if the broadcast should be same day next year or it needs to be a day delayed or something.
01:20:37
James Redenbaugh: I think it should be a day delayed. It was.
01:20:39
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, probably. And also we just got to beef up the staff for it. I mean, you know, you can't run late in the full programming for a global broadcast to go out the same day. It had massive ripple effects. So that's why they were lazy, that they couldn't Break off from production in room to then out, and then set up for the broadcast.
01:20:58
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, for the broadcast.
01:20:59
Mariko Pitts: So you just have to have either multiple teams that can deal with that and way more cameras and production stuff, or we get our timing together, you.
01:21:09
James Redenbaugh: Know, and we can. We can market the broadcast a lot sooner because it was kind of an afterthought.
01:21:16
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, well, by next year's wave, actually, so.
01:21:19
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, by next year's wave, we might have had two or three other things that we broadcasted. Maybe we should have the bugs worked out before another wave. That's for sure.
01:21:28
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, for sure.
01:21:30
Hera: Okay.
01:21:30
Michael Shaun Conaway: Of all of these things, actually.
01:21:32
Mariko Pitts: All right, gang, great chat. Let's pick some more stuff up and then we'll think about, you know, let me know what. What we can do on the email stuff and some of the. The quick little fixes. And then before I invite another group in, because I do want to invite another group in soon.
01:21:52
Michael Shaun Conaway: Let's get it. Let's get it.
01:21:54
Mariko Pitts: Oh, and just look at. I don't know if maybe when I was eating lunch, dinner or something, I missed this, but just the map itself, it's cool, but are we looking at a different way of that being a little bit more functional now that there's massive beehives and.
01:22:07
Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, yeah, we talked about.
01:22:08
James Redenbaugh: About.
01:22:09
Michael Shaun Conaway: As you zoom in, the dots get smaller.
01:22:11
Mariko Pitts: Okay, that sounds good.
01:22:12
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
01:22:12
Mariko Pitts: All right, so we can fix. Clean that up a little bit too, then. But it's pretty impressive at the moment, though.
01:22:19
Michael Shaun Conaway: It's impressive. It's impressive.
01:22:20
Hera: Yeah.
01:22:21
Mariko Pitts: That's the only thing is that it's.
01:22:22
Michael Shaun Conaway: Impressive what happens when we light up the whole planet.
01:22:25
Mariko Pitts: Yeah.
01:22:26
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, let's do it.
01:22:27
Michael Shaun Conaway: Maybe we'll have to go to the second one.
01:22:29
Mariko Pitts: Yeah, fantastic. All right, love you guys. Talk to you later.
01:22:37
James Redenbaugh: Bye. See you guys.
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