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Mariko Pitts: This meeting is being recorded.

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James Redenbaugh: Hey, Mar. Hey.

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Mariko Pitts: What's up with your camera?

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James Redenbaugh: It's off. It might run out of batteries. It's dead. There we go.

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Mariko Pitts: What kind of camera are you using anyway? What do you got? It's like on battery.

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James Redenbaugh: It's. It's one of my mirrorless cameras.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay. Okay. I was gonna say it looks really. Yeah, your quality is super good.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I. I'm on my PC now, so I don't have a webcam.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, okay.

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James Redenbaugh: Big old school tower.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, good God. Oh, man, those days, huh? That's for sure.

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James Redenbaugh: Windows 98. Oh, no, I'm just kidding.

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Mariko Pitts: That's hilarious. I was like, that can't even be functional anymore.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, no, it actually looks like a spaceship. It's like.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah. Gamer ones, this one.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Because it can do powerful renderings and.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Figure AI.

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James Redenbaugh: And

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Mariko Pitts: now the blur totally in out of focus. Yeah. Oh, my God,

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James Redenbaugh: My messy studio. How you doing?

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, good. Just back to back. Crazy Monday already? Yeah. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to go to the Bay Area, to San Francisco for an event that starts in two days, but trying to get in last minute, it's no fun, you know.

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James Redenbaugh: What is?

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Mariko Pitts: An application across the Global Philanthropy Forum.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, cool.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's in San Francisco. It starts on Wednesday night, so, yeah, it'd be good. So I'm kind of working on some decks and stuff like that just to kind of get like, well, you know, what is the whole mode. But you can't pitch anything there, which is great. It's just building relationships and stuff first and then go from there.

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James Redenbaugh: Nice.

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Mariko Pitts: But yeah, it's. Where is Hera at? Let's see. Let me see.

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James Redenbaugh: Is Michael Sean still on the boat?

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I think it's back this week, though. Maybe by end of the week or something.

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James Redenbaugh: I'm on a boat.

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Mariko Pitts: He sent pictures of like an Antarctica with penguins and. And I was like, man, that's crazy. Great. It's great. But like, it's got to be a whole other world.

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James Redenbaugh: That's awesome.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's crazy, man. Crazy stuff. All right, hold on. Let's see. I know. I was double booked too. And I chose, of course, this call. I was like, you guys can handle that one. But I'm like, I think Hera is in limbo too. She was on both of those calls. I was like, I was just gonna ask you where you're at. It's like, girl, you don't get your ass on this call. It's so funny. Like, which call? Did you choose? Oh my God, that's hilarious. Jesus. You know what I'm. I need on our ecosystem is a general, like a document that tells us what we're doing so that I can plug this in and kind of weave it into the deck. I need the most simplest way of saying what we're doing and I'm wondering if I should use. Well, what should I use? Because we've updated so much and things have come a long way, what we're doing. Do you have any ideas?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, I actually, in the back end in the code base, I keep a, a detailed description of the whole app for Claude to be most helpful. Yeah, it's designed for Claude, but I can have it generate something in human language.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh my God, that would be fantastic

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James Redenbaugh: if you can do that.

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Mariko Pitts: I need it because I need to weave it. I'm getting so many questions and so many means I'm having on our. And everybody wants to know what's, what's going on with the app and all that and what we're building and you know, this connection generation and how we're working on connection and all this and matching. And I'm like, yeah, I need something that's a little bit more updated than the original, like white paper that I gave you, you know, that kind of helped develop the phases. But like we've gone so far from there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be fantastic.

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James Redenbaugh: Real quick. Totally.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. Oh, I guess maybe it'd be good to have some idea of like where we're going to. Where it can go because. Because obviously for a deck, I need to project outward of like, you know, what we do want to see in this, you know, not necessarily where we're at currently and what we're currently doing. So it may be good to add a little bit of that forward thinking, forward thinking stuff, you know?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. So I'll, I'll make a description of the, The app. Yep. Kind of where it's at, where it's going and also like what makes it special.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it would be fantastic. Hey, here like, glad you got.

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James Redenbaugh: Hey Hara,

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Mariko Pitts: I was just telling James, like I'm right, we're doing all these funding decks, right. And I'm like, I need, I'm like looking through different things and I'm like, you know what? I need a document that some summarizes like what we're building in the app, like where we're at, where we're going and like you saying what's actually really special about it because I Need to build. Yeah, but not so much a product where I need like a brief summary of where I can build into the funding deck. So it's literally slides that kind of understand the ecosystem where we're going. But like, you know, the white paper that I designed, we're so far ahead and you know, now we've got actual technology built out and we're so, you know, phases ahead of that. So I needed something more. But he said he has a bunch written already for Claude in the background because he has to keep it already. He has to keep Claw going and understanding what we're building. So he's going to create more of a human paper for me in us that we can use and that would be very helpful.

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Team Holomovement: Actually what I meant was an actual slide that's kind of like summarizing the roadmap very elegantly visually. So normally a lot of people would. So like startup peeps would do that as a kind of like a timeline where it's like short term, this is what we're building. And normally they don't do that in words but in photos. So it's like if it's. We're currently like doing the communication layer, we could like come up with a photo of that or some like a very brief descriptions.

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Mariko Pitts: But yeah, I can, you know, I can use Notebook LM for that and I'm going to do that anyway because I'm popping in a bunch of different documents. Like I created a really cool video explain a video on the theory of change actually, things like that. And you can make slide decks. I need something simple right now just to have ready this week. It can't be something that's super branded. It just needs to be, oh yeah. Professional and tells story and then we can, we can totally redo it later. But Notebook LLM, I just putting a bunch of documents in there and seeing what is the output and it's pretty incredible like what this thing is creating for us. Have you guys used it yet?

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Team Holomovement: Not yet.

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James Redenbaugh: I haven't used it.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh my God.

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Team Holomovement: Oh my God. I think a lot the three of us are like going through some crazy tech stuff right now because I actually just bought another laptop because I want to get into Open Claw.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh cool.

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Team Holomovement: I want to do all the AI agent thing so I want to make sure that all my, my personal files, my work files are in a totally separate laptop so that they don't. If the AI agent is going to experiment on things that I'm not gonna regret it.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Let me show you something real quick. This is the. Oh, 1111. Look at that.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh.

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Team Holomovement: Oh my God.

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Mariko Pitts: This is so cool. So this was actually. Yeah, this was what it pulled out. I just did. I popped in this. The theory of Change. And literally, I mean, these oh my God. Designs are actually incredible. Like how it's breaking up the old paradigm to the holomoto par. I'll send you this. This is crazy.

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Team Holomovement: Oh my God.

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Mariko Pitts: Like, you are the age factor. Like, this is just. I mean, look at this undivided whole. Look at this design.

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Team Holomovement: You didn't even. You didn't even prompted to do that. It just did it from all of the.

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Mariko Pitts: From an actual version three document that we created of a very academic document of the whole of the theory of Change. Right. And I was like, let me just see. Like, look at this shit.

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Team Holomovement: Like, oh my God, Mar. This is amazing.

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Mariko Pitts: As I'm saying. And this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to pop in. I can do multiple sources, so I'm popping in. Like what I'll do is the document from the actual new homepage that we designed, right. The. The outbound page, which talks a little bit more about. It's more concise about what the holy moon is. So I'm going to pop in that information. It also has the purpose earth, like our impact and all that information. I'm going to feed it that and also I'm going to feed the document that James says. And I'm going to say use these two. Combine this into creating me a deck, an investor deck. And basically. And then I can tweak the out of this as we go, but I can create a video. I'll show you the video. Let's see. Explainer video here. Let me see. Can you still see my screen? Can you see this video I'm pulling up here? Make this bigger. Okay. Full screen. You see this video?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: I mean, I'll. I don't know if you're going to hear the sound actually, but let me just skim through

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James Redenbaugh: it. Made this video.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it made an explanation of the document itself.

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Team Holomovement: I love it.

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James Redenbaugh: Let's see.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay, hold on. Let me stop sharing because I gotta share the sound. Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: And.

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Mariko Pitts: And then I'll be.

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Team Holomovement: We need to eventually do play date. So we talk about all the tech projects.

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Mariko Pitts: Like, are we kidding? This is crazy shit. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Stop here. I did the wrong one. Sure. Sound okay. Just stop too. Here we go. All right, all right. Let's get into it. You know, we all talk about wanting to change the World, Right? But what if there was a fundamental theory, almost like a cosmic blueprint, that explains how change actually happens? Today we're going to unpack this really fascinating idea called the holo movement. We've all heard this one before from the old Greek philosopher Heraclitus, and it's true. We feel it every single day. And by the way, you can change a design. Like, you can choose from animation, there's fire.

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Team Holomovement: And I'm sure you can change the voices too, right?

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Mariko Pitts: This is a male voice. What if we took that idea a little further? What if change wasn't just something that the very essence of what the universe is a fundamental force that we can actually tap into. That's the big idea we're digging into. So that leads us right to the main. What in the world is the Hollow movement? Is it some organization you can join,

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Team Holomovement: a new philosophy book?

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Mariko Pitts: Well, the answer is actually a lot more profound than that. And look, this isn't just some feel good concept. It's got real roots in quantum physics. The name itself was coined by the physicist David Bohm. He used it to describe the entire universe as this single undivided wholeness that's always, always flowing and changing. So the whole movement isn't a group. It's the underlying process of reality. It literally is change. And this is a really important point. This whole theory isn't about getting stuck analyzing all the mistakes of the past or getting overwhelmed by the problems of the present. Nope, it's all about the future. It's an invitation to start fresh, to move into what the source material calls the we space and really explore our unlimited potential for what could be. Right. So as you can see, it's literally. This was actually developed, which is actually pretty cool. Let me just stop the share for a minute. So it was developed by Gemini. So this is Google's Gemini specifically to help, like, college students to undigest different source information. Right. So, which is pretty cool. So if you have academic crazy stuff, you can create. Oh, yeah, you know, I mean, we can create infographics based off information. I can create flashcards, mind maps, slide decks, like quizzes to help you better absorb the information. So they basically know that these voices and explaining this, creating this and putting it in there, it's easier for me to. To digest this stuff. So I literally actually understand our own theory of change better by listening to the video than it is for me to read it, you know, And I noticed, I was like, oh, my God. Like, I actually understand exactly Coach HF better exactly when I'm listening in that way. So especially when you're creating a deck, we can have a video and I can send that to someone as well as the actual deck itself, you know, so they can listen to it, understand it, absorb it better. But this is perfect. When you're a lot of heavy information, this is a perfect way to actually get that source material more digestible.

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Team Holomovement: I could definitely, I definitely could see it passing all the mom tests and explain it to a five year old test.

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Mariko Pitts: Totally. Exactly. So it's great. And you have access to this too, everybody.

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Team Holomovement: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: Know that we all have it because of our hollow moment emails, because I pay. You have Pro edition for this for in Gemini too, so you can use it and play with anything. You know, create a bunch of stuff and notebooks for it. So anyway, I'm going to do this, what I'm going to do, because I need to get, hopefully get to San Francisco this week and go to this conference for the philanthropy thing. I'd like to drop in this information and create more of a refined deck about what we're doing. And honestly, you know, her and I were just on this funding call with a group of other colleagues and you know, really what people want to know is how do they get involved and how do they, how can they plug in? They want to see how, what they're working on. There's collaboration. How does that plug into something? You know what I mean? There's so many people that I've talked to already are very interested in the app technology because first off, that's the entrance point. That's how people in the community play and that's how you track and that's how you, you know, you're, you have a community onboarded in some way. So, you know, there's obviously greater visibility potential there. There's a lot that's happening there. How are you stewarding a community of people? And so, and then other people who are also, you know, technologists are actually building certain things and components that are like, oh, this looks like it would fit really well. Like Ravi Mehta, the billionaire who owns Space Perspective company, you know, at that meeting with him and he's like, yeah, I mean, I'm building an app around campaigns and events and things like that. And I think it'd be fantastic to give you this technology because that could be like phase five of like what you guys can do and how it catalyzes engine for good money going back into the ecosystem and how people reward it, you know, And I'm like, and I Looked at his prototype and he's like, yeah, I mean, this is a fantastic way to bridge both worlds. You know, you need this. I need the culture, you know, and the people. It's fantastic. So people really want to see this. And our, and our app is like the number one thing right now that's enticing people. It's not about the whole of movement effect. People are like, okay, that's a tangible experience. Like you have to go to a wave to feel like what it's like to experience what we're creating in a high frequency field. But to experience. But for people knowing that and when you're pitching something and saying hey, by them going into a high frequency event, it's actually catalyzing action. And also community building and connection is happening here, that's a whole other way because you're actually saying, hey, here's a tangible expression of our events actually working. Here's a tangible expression of what we're doing out in the world by our online events or other, what we're calling people in. It's working because they're coming into an ecosystem and playing in it. So it is the bread and butter of everything that's happening. That's why the whole movement is an eco living ecosystem that's catalyzing impact in our conscious action now rather than a movement of transformative action. You know, we have to really emphasize this ecosystem now.

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Team Holomovement: And another thing that's important, I'd love to help review that as well. I have this checklist from back when I was in pitch training for when I was in the startup circles. Then we could use it to run to, to, to go through the, the slides. There's a, There's a couple of like key things that need to be checked off for it to be like, really?

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Mariko Pitts: Well, send me the. Do you have a doc? Is it a document?

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Team Holomovement: I. I'm going to look for it. It's in my other. It's in my startup email.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay. Because I can actually add it in there and say define it. Make sure that our deck hits these points. I can add that into the AI and then have it develop it around that.

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Team Holomovement: Yeah, yeah, okay, I'll do that. But on top of my mind, another thing that I feel would be so important is not just to show the app, but to show like our full, like the, our journey from the moment that it was started by Emanuel to Sedona. Like all the organizations we've, we've, we've funded all of the waves that have happened. Actual people that we bring Together. Actual active events.

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Mariko Pitts: Well, that's what I'm. Okay, hold on, hold on. Because I'm. I don't know if you missed that before you came on, but that's actually what I'm adding. I'm adding our new about, which has all that into it. So it can pull that information into the deck.

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Team Holomovement: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: And I've missed that.

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Team Holomovement: Oh, yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: So that's exactly what we need. We need to have impact. We need to show how much money has gone elsewhere. All that. And so I'm going to use the about page. Just, you know that what we use to develop the new about page and homepage stuff. Use that and then add the ecosystem.

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Team Holomovement: Yeah, definitely. Purpose Earth too. Because we've been Purpose Earth and Whole Movement, Emmanuel and synonymous.

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Mariko Pitts: They're together. Yeah.

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Team Holomovement: Oh, my goodness.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay, so enough about that. James, you're going to send me that. That'd be fantastic. That'd be very helpful for all of us. I think even that we can give that to the team too in the update. Oh, yeah. Because they need like a bigger picture, I think, ideas, more.

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Team Holomovement: How long is that video that Notebook LLM just created?

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Mariko Pitts: It's like six minutes. That was a deeper explainer and you can create a brief video for like two minutes.

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Team Holomovement: Can you share that to us? I'd love to watch that after the call.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Team Holomovement: That's amazing. I think it's important for us to have even a. To have, like to have this for the core team so that they could have a better. It's like we all have. We all have different ways of explaining what the whole movement is, but having this would allow us to unify that. I mean, it will all feel different because it's. Yeah. You know, because it's going to be our version, but this is going to be a unifying factor.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: I would recommend if it's going to become a. A major outward facing asset to

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Mariko Pitts: have

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Team Holomovement: it as an onboard.

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James Redenbaugh: Well, to swap the images with brand assets. Because there's a lot of YouTube videos now that are just Notebook LLM clones and they all kind of look the same.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: So it kind of looks like that, but it's really cool to see it and that it's like there and yeah. Even those two minutes. I'm like understanding Hollow movement a little better now myself.

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Team Holomovement: Exactly.

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James Redenbaugh: I didn't realize that David Bohm coined the term hollow movement. I knew he was somehow. Oh my goodness. That's like, good to know. That's good to know.

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Mariko Pitts: That's hilarious. All right, I'll share. I'll share with you too. That's hilarious. But, yeah, no, it's. It's good. I mean, I agree it needs branding elements. I think from right now, an investor deck, I think it's fine. But not. Yeah, I agree. For public facing, this has to get shifted up and I think we can edit it and go from there. But we'll see.

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Team Holomovement: I mean, I've only. I've only heard like less than two minutes of it and I could see how it already grounded the definition of. I'm so excited.

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Mariko Pitts: Exactly. Because you can revise it. I don't know how yet. We can change. I think we can change out imagery and things like that or, you know. Yeah, we'll see. But right now, not bad. Not bad at all. But yeah, for now, I think we're using it internally and then go from there. Or also, you know what would be really cool is that you create it and then I can send it to the designer and say, hey, use the information, replicate it basically. And then, you know, you basically. I mean, you could take the audio and put it on there, you know, but with. With new imagery, if anything, it could take just brand this and create it. But, you know, there you go, his audio file and then here's the slide deck just recreated in our own branding aspects of it. If I can't actually, it might be faster to do that than to just edit the PDF files or something like that. I don't know how to do that on this yet anyway. All right, so, James, tell us what's going on. Give us an update where we're at.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, let's check this out. So we've got actually all the major pieces working and built in webflow. I just need to plug them in and I'm working on a member, the wheel right now to get the users to show up nicely. Even if we have a whole bunch of them, if we have more than, they'll kind of scroll through. Because if you remember, in the design, we have this, this like, wheel of people. So what's cool now is everything is built in webflow, so we have total control over the ui.

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Mariko Pitts: Fantastic.

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James Redenbaugh: And it's built in a really easy to edit way and it's really nice. And then the scripts.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, the colors are looking really good. And then the scripts take that and apply it to a holon or the person profile or things like that. So this is Iris right now. I want to clean it up a little bit and add a few more features and the people will show up there, but it's looking good with our domains and our. Our tags. And I don't know why my logo is not showing up, but I'll fix that. And then the directory is looking really good right now. I figured out how to do the staggering with css, but it's not in there right now. It is kind of like a staircase effect. And the text on these cards should be down here, but the cards are looking pretty good. I think we should hide these buttons until you're hovering.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: To see more of the. More of the people. But we've got our search bar and stuff in the new ui. Oh, that does a little flip. That's a little weird.

00:24:41

Mariko Pitts: Okay, okay. That's flipping all over.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And then you can filter by holons individuals or by domain. So getting that plugged in as well. And then. Do you guys see the assessment?

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Mariko Pitts: You showed me the assessment, but I haven't seen the. Yeah, not. Have not seen this part.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, look at that.

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Mariko Pitts: You put that in. That's cool.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And this too is fully controlled in. In webflow. It's really nice. And I set it up. So like on the, On the question pages we have these, you know, this card appear and these cards. And in webflow, I just have to make it once and then the script duplicates it. So if we want to edit the style of these or make a new version with different things, it's really easy to modify that. And the way it works is, you know, it's got these different questions. I have it randomized the direction, so it's not. You don't just drag everything to the right if you feel like you're more on this side. It's actually, you have to read the questions and see. Do I tend to see the world as made up of distinct and separate parts, or is it more interconnected and whole? And it's got these different domains and they each have a little icon and then on the results page. And by the way, if you've. If you've done the assessment already, well, as soon as you start it, it will save your input so you can start and come back to it whenever.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, great.

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James Redenbaugh: And if you started and come back to it, it'll go back to where you left off. And if you've completed it, it'll go to your profile page, your connection profile, and then it makes this nice little chart. It feels like this kind of feature

00:26:50

Mariko Pitts: is out of control. Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: And my goodness, mine looks like this because I'm pretty far to the right in all these domains which tend to Be more holistic and integrative and like big time horizon and team focused and whatnot. But if I was more to the left, it would be purple and spiky. And so if I have like one domain that is just modify my responses here, that's more in the purple, then it moves over there and oh, that is, it forms an angle and it's like, it's.

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Mariko Pitts: I'm like, I'm not sure how I feel about that. But of course it's like an atom with a big ass. That's hilarious. Yeah, but I doubt it would be that like crazy for people because they're not, you know, the alignment I think is, you know, when you're reading the questions, it's not going to be as extreme. We're doing extreme outline. But that's good to know how it can go all over the place.

00:28:04

James Redenbaugh: Exactly. And I think that, you know, most of the people are going to be more towards the green. But it'll be interesting to see like it, it's not bad to be analytical and exploring your purpose, you know, or you're focused on yourself right now or you're more independent, like that's fine.

00:28:22

Mariko Pitts: We can always say, hey, redo it in like, you know, a year or something. Or when you feel like there's something big.

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James Redenbaugh: Exactly. You can always go back and edit your results and then it'll give you this analysis here. Your strongest orientation is ecological identity. And your widest range falls in time horizon. And so strongest is like where you had the clearest answer, whether it's one side or the other. And then the widest range is where your five questions had the biggest range. And so all of this is calculated without AI. It's just without AI. Yeah. I made responses for each of these. So it says this pattern suggests a felt sense of being embedded within the living world alongside an ongoing negotiation between immediate impact and long term vision. And so I made statements for each widest range and each strongest orientation and then they just kind of get plugged in here. And then if all your domains are. Well, actually since I changed my answer here, it says nearly all your domains lead towards the transformational end of the spectrum. This suggests cohesive orientation towards interconnection, collective action and emergent futures with one or two areas where you hold more grounded, pragmatic stance.

00:29:50

Mariko Pitts: That's pretty good. I like that.

00:29:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. It actually responds to your, to your chart as a whole.

00:29:59

Mariko Pitts: That's very cool.

00:30:01

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And it's like so fast and snappy. You don't have to Wait for it to load and it saves immediately. So I think this will be a nice draw. I just want to change my answers back.

00:30:20

Team Holomovement: But I love. And people love. People love comparing notes. Right. So when they see there's a love to compare and it's nice if you could like figure out matching ways to match them based on how theirs look like and we could include that in the tags too. Like how each of them score in these domains and they scored the same or and so on and so forth. This is so amazing. It's crazy how much you could do with all the things, all the tools right now.

00:30:53

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, very cool.

00:30:55

Team Holomovement: But it also, but it's also necessary that you have the mind to think about all these things, to imagine all and to imagine and keep reimagining these things. So. Thanks, James.

00:31:07

James Redenbaugh: Sure. Yeah, I'm really excited about this chart. I wanted to come up with a, like an alternative to the typical spider graph which we're starting to see everywhere. And I think this works really well because it's more dynamic and interesting.

00:31:23

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:31:23

James Redenbaugh: And remains balanced while mapping lots of different variables.

00:31:31

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I like it. So is this. How do you get to this one anyway? How do we get to the assessment? How does this look on the UI aspect of like how it we use it? Like you log in. Is it something that pops up, complete the assessment? Like what are we thinking?

00:31:50

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, good question. Where's. What, what should it be? Should we have it be a pop up?

00:31:58

Mariko Pitts: Probably a pop up because people won't know and then like that's one thing that, you know. I think papas, we should probably use it as a way of like the more we can gather more information, sooner the better. Right. Because that, that this is actually going to help with some of the matchmaking stuff. Right. Are we going to plug that into the ecosystem we think or let them choose? What are you thinking? Because I mean this is. I don't think like this is something that they. I think it's something that should automatically be added because these are really cool things. Just how you see the world that you're both leaning, you know, it's like, oh, imagine like you're both leaning this way in the transformational sector. Blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is, you know, your quadrants, I can't remember but, but I think this is really cool way to start the matching to use something like this. So we would really want to entice people to do it right away, you know.

00:32:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. If we could prompt them to do this before the matching to.

00:32:58

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly.

00:32:59

James Redenbaugh: Get Better results. And then it can, the matching can take their results into account even if other people it's matching with haven't done it yet. So if it sees my, my strongest, my highest score was in ecology or whatever, it maybe it'll suggest a match with somebody who's an ecologist. But then of course, if everybody has filled this out, then, then it can also use all that data to, to map things. And what's great about the input is the data is pretty lightweight and simple.

00:33:47

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:33:48

James Redenbaugh: I'll show you in Supabase. Here are our responses.

00:34:02

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, so this, see this?

00:34:05

James Redenbaugh: The scores are just, you know, these numbers that show up right here and.

00:34:10

Mariko Pitts: Oh, wow.

00:34:13

James Redenbaugh: Or we can look at like the individual, you know, the, the specific responses to each question. But I think for simple matching we could use that and plug that not only into agentic responses, but also just do an initial sorting by mathematically. So the matching can have multiple passes before it goes into the agent. So we can use math to see like, well, here's the most likely people. These, these guys have the same domains and similar tags and similar responses before we even get into the agent. And then when the agent goes, it can look at the whole directory, but it should look at a certain group first to find the most obvious connections.

00:35:09

Mariko Pitts: Okay, I love that. Okay, that's fantastic. Yeah. So what do we think? Is that something, should it be like a pop up? What are we thinking around that here? What do you think? How it's introduced also, where would it live? James, where do you think it should live? In the directory maybe or somewhere?

00:35:34

James Redenbaugh: What? I think we should actually have an assessments page.

00:35:41

Mariko Pitts: Page.

00:35:41

Team Holomovement: Yeah, I was about to say that

00:35:46

James Redenbaugh: because eventually we're going to have a bunch of different assessments so they can all live there.

00:35:50

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:35:51

James Redenbaugh: And it might deserve a primary navigation item up top.

00:35:55

Mariko Pitts: I was thinking maybe that too.

00:35:57

Team Holomovement: Exactly. And also I'm wondering which part of the onboarding process do you feel we should introduce this? Because I could imagine myself signing up, for example, and wanting to take an assessment in the early stages if we show them how cool it is. But at the same time, like not everybody is the same. So there has to be an option that's going to allow them to either take it or opt to take it at a later time that triggers a reminder so that they could do it when they're ready over the next couple of days. That's why I get, I still get reminded of Mighty Networks. Mighty Network has this brilliant onboarding pop up that's basically a pop up of a checklist that you can check off every time you get you finish one of the seven onboarding.

00:36:47

Mariko Pitts: I like that. Yeah, yeah.

00:36:49

Team Holomovement: So they basically just hover. They, they just float on top of your mighty networks interface. Whether it's like top right or lower left, you just see it until you check it off or if you decide just close it and not see it ever again.

00:37:05

Mariko Pitts: Okay, but if there's. I like that idea.

00:37:08

Team Holomovement: There's a dopamine hit every time you check off an onboarding task. Whether it's start here, read about hollow movement, take your assessment, finish your profile and so on and so forth. But those are like very quick tasks. The goal is for each of those line item to be very easy tasks that they could create now and then they could do now. Yeah, yeah. Like they could finish like in a minute or two.

00:37:34

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:37:35

Mariko Pitts: I like that idea. What do you think about something like that James? Or once the connection assessments come up like, you know, it's like assessment checklist or something like that. You know, it's like. Yeah, I like that.

00:37:47

James Redenbaugh: I think yeah, something that can come up kind of like this, you know, maybe in the bottom left corner to, for new users to do a simple checklist. You know, hit these, hit these things and then we'll have to build in a way to track that they're done. But yeah, that's, that's feasible. I'm just had to add and I

00:38:26

Mariko Pitts: think that's something and yeah, and just think about what's the, the easiest, simplest way to start. Like the MVP version of that would probably just be like a pop up, maybe a reminder of like have you connect, have you read it your assessments, you know, and then it's a link directly to the page. You know, it's like. Yeah and that something that just kind of pops up every now and then or something like that. It's there.

00:38:49

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it should definitely be smart to only show up if you haven't.

00:38:54

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly. Something like that. But yeah, in the meantime it might be good just so it's a reminder that the assessments are really important. So if it's pop ups about that and then I think later we can do like what you're saying where it needs to obviously learn that you created that you finished one, you know, so that it knows that it's not reminding you to do. To check off an assessment you've already done or something. You know, we get into it. I would, I would say that's a little bit later down the line. But in the meantime let's say we have you Know, we launch this one good assessment that's solid, you know, to start with and then we can get. Create another one or maybe we start bringing in like, you know, numerology, something. Yeah, that would be the second one and then that would be fun. Those are really cool, fun things. I think if we start with the one we have now in numerology, we're on something that would be fantastic. Those are really cool. Two things that are very cool and I think it'll really support the connection gridding and the matchmaking. And. And of course then we forget that the matchmaking is also depending on what people fill out on their profiles too. Right. So that's a lot of information too. So there's a lot of good stuff here that's really juicy. That I think pretty special. I mean, have you seen anything else that's out there like that right now, James, what we're building?

00:40:13

James Redenbaugh: No. Nothing. No, no way.

00:40:18

Team Holomovement: Yeah, we can. It takes an Arcturian to do that and we can't do it in any of the white label tools out there.

00:40:26

Mariko Pitts: It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen anything like that. All right, well, it's looking fantastic. It's like. So what do you think of the. What's next for you? What's, what's popping so we can get people in there and playing with it and I'm curious, fixing the bugs and stuff like that?

00:40:46

Team Holomovement: Yeah. Can we do that this week? Can we get the core team to play with it?

00:40:51

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, definitely. It's very newly there. There's just a little, a few bugs I want to iron out before we, before we do that and, and then matching is the next big thing to tackle, but we can get them in there before matching takes off.

00:41:18

Mariko Pitts: How long do you think it will take for matching anyway

00:41:23

James Redenbaugh: to get that going?

00:41:24

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Oh, and by the way, did you add the new map you created into the.

00:41:31

James Redenbaugh: It's not linked yet because it's got some bugs as well, but that'll be in there.

00:41:37

Mariko Pitts: Okay. But yeah, match matching. How long do you think that will take? Get an idea?

00:41:43

James Redenbaugh: If I can fully focus on that, just a couple days, but I want to get these, these other things done.

00:41:51

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:41:52

Team Holomovement: Oh, by the way, James, can. Do we have the whole on onboarding already like the, with a new copy and the page, right?

00:42:01

James Redenbaugh: Yes.

00:42:02

Team Holomovement: Can we look at it right now since Maro is here? Because I, I don't think mar. Have you reviewed that? The, the test copy? I mean the.

00:42:13

Mariko Pitts: Literally, I'm actually doing it right now. I Just clicked on. Oh, okay.

00:42:17

Team Holomovement: So let me know if, if this copy is okay or if we need to change anything because I suggested three additional, like this one pages before we get to the actual. Before we get them to add their details. Yeah, yeah.

00:42:36

Mariko Pitts: I think the last sentences need a little work. If you're already building something meaningful together, you may be ready. That's not a strong enough call to action to get them to click continue, I think so we just need to work on that last sentence. Okay.

00:42:52

Team Holomovement: Those were the three sections that I added.

00:42:56

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, let's see. I don't know. We'll put that. I'll put that into chat or something or just. We just need a stronger call to action piece for that one. Okay. But we can come back to that. But I like that it's already. I love the checklist.

00:43:16

Team Holomovement: I love the checklist. Oh, my God. The second. Or this one.

00:43:22

Mariko Pitts: Because it, It.

00:43:23

Team Holomovement: It's such a. I re. I realize how much checklists are a really effective form of. Effective tool for self assessment, self reflection. Actually, the. The word that I'm looking for is self inquiry.

00:43:41

James Redenbaugh: Yes, we're ready.

00:43:44

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Exec.

00:43:45

Team Holomovement: You don't need to explain. Explain it in long sentences. You just need them to check. Check it off one by one and they'll. They'll already know. Right.

00:43:54

Mariko Pitts: I love it. Yeah. I like it a lot. Yeah. Other than that, I mean, just a stronger creative. Hold on. Just that one Galaxy. Yeah. But. Oh, no,

00:44:13

James Redenbaugh: I gotta plug it into the new, new system.

00:44:16

Team Holomovement: Okay. Can you let me know if this is ready? Because this is one of the things that I want. I think the whole. The. The core team would be so excited to test this particular feature because a lot of them are now like in talks of forming their own hole on. So that's something that we could explore this week.

00:44:32

James Redenbaugh: Totally.

00:44:32

Mariko Pitts: I actually want them to create their profiles, their actual profiles. Now that's the thing. Because right now it was too glitchy. So I was like, just, you know, just so you can get in and act like you did something. Really just create a fake profile if you, you know, because some remember the profiles weren't saving like Jill, and she was like heartbroken. But then it was saved anyway, so it was fine. Thank God. But a lot of people haven't actually fully done the full profile thing. So I'd like them to do that and create their home on like. We want to move in real now is the whole point. Can we do that now?

00:45:04

Team Holomovement: Will we be able to do it?

00:45:05

Mariko Pitts: Not yet. I don't see that you can't make the whole log. You just got to click that in, create that and then.

00:45:10

Team Holomovement: I mean the final account. What do you mean the account?

00:45:16

James Redenbaugh: The profile creation.

00:45:17

Team Holomovement: The profile creation.

00:45:19

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, that should still be working, but let me, let me test it today.

00:45:24

Team Holomovement: And then also I love, I'd love them to test the chats too because I think that would be a, that would be a fun thing to do together. Especially if you want them to kind of like, yeah, put a core team call on Thursday would be a good time to either give instructions or also share what they've experienced. If we could do that earlier.

00:45:45

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, my profile still has this. The older look. Is that going to change or would I need to just do a new one and then I'd have the new profile layout, the UI design.

00:45:59

James Redenbaugh: No, you can, you can update your existing one and it'll go into the new.

00:46:04

Mariko Pitts: Okay, so just update it and see if it changes from there. Okay.

00:46:11

James Redenbaugh: On the whole, on creation, I want to add some other fields.

00:46:17

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:46:18

James Redenbaugh: I think we should give people the option to make their Holon location based. So it can be remote or non local, but if it is like, you know, we're in San Francisco actually, they should be able to note that. And then I also want to add fields for social links, just like profiles. So if they have a website or an Instagram page for the whole lawn, they can add that. If not, these won't show up.

00:46:50

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:46:54

James Redenbaugh: And then right now this area is a call to action to join the holon. But not all Holons will be.

00:47:02

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:47:02

Team Holomovement: Open to open.

00:47:04

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, to be joined. So if it's not joinable, what should, what should show up here?

00:47:11

Team Holomovement: Maybe request to apply and then they could send an email that automatically triggers an email to the admins about why they want to join and then they could reach out to them separately.

00:47:24

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:47:24

Team Holomovement: To invite them. Yeah, if they wanna. What do you think, Mar?

00:47:33

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I mean that's fine. A request.

00:47:39

James Redenbaugh: What if we centered the purpose here?

00:47:42

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I was thinking maybe the purpose centered around their purpose.

00:47:46

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. When everybody's around, maybe we put the purpose in the center here and then we can put the join down here.

00:47:53

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I'm thinking. Yes.

00:48:00

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:48:02

Mariko Pitts: I love it. Yeah, I think that's better. I think it's a better idea. Great.

00:48:09

Team Holomovement: Thanks for all these work, Jane.

00:48:12

James Redenbaugh: Sure. Oh, I wanted to ask you guys, stripe account and PayPal, we need to talk about that.

00:48:26

Mariko Pitts: Yeah,

00:48:30

James Redenbaugh: we need those. And then we also need to think about what. Yeah, this is working. This is pretty cool. Can pay with paypal it's in a sandbox account right now. They might. I'm going to do 500 bucks. We need to think about what. What's going to be a paid feature and what's

00:49:03

Team Holomovement: okay.

00:49:05

James Redenbaugh: And our courses going to be one off payments or are they included in the membership or things like that. We want to.

00:49:13

Mariko Pitts: They're probably one off payments, but some might be free. Example, like the whole amendment course might be free if you actually. No, wait, no. It'll probably be in on a paywall, I think. Or maybe not. Maybe the whole moment course is actually just like a one time donation or something. It's up to you suggest a donation for that one. But I like more people to have that because then they can understand the whole of them first. Right, yeah. Like the Choose Love course would be behind a paywall, something like that. And leaning towards a one off like donation. But whether you're in the membership or not, if you're already paying monthly or not, I think it should be something there, a minimum price at least that we set, you know.

00:50:10

James Redenbaugh: Okay.

00:50:12

Mariko Pitts: I would just do it as simple as that for now.

00:50:16

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:50:19

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. And I'm still seeing the old profile. I don't know, maybe I need a different link or something to click on or something, but I'm logged in.

00:50:26

James Redenbaugh: No, I gotta link the. I gotta link the new one in there.

00:50:29

Mariko Pitts: Okay. I. This is not the same link. I bet.

00:50:33

James Redenbaugh: All right, cool. I just, I need to connect it up like I did the whole launch page. I'm going to do that after this call.

00:50:43

Mariko Pitts: All right, sounds good. Yeah, because I can see I think the new. Some of the new directories in this one. This old link here, but not now, it's gone, I can't see it. Okay, I'll let you vote that and send us a new link for us to play in it. Yeah, and the login from there. Okay, so we will talk. I'll talk to maybe her if you can hold for a few more minutes too, we can talk a little bit more about some of the priorities like PayPal and Stripe and all that. Oh yeah, I've added in my list, James.

00:51:17

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:51:18

Mariko Pitts: And then let's see, what else do you need from us right now besides that stuff? Oh, I definitely need that. That page, that descriptor thing. I need that actually soon, if you get me that from Claude. Yeah, something together for that.

00:51:35

James Redenbaugh: I'll do that today and be fantastic and I'll send you guys a. A link with. Once the profile page is on there and the directory pages working, I'll let you guys know. We should get that going tonight as well.

00:51:59

Mariko Pitts: Okay, perfect. Yeah, I know. Here. And I can play with that and test it whenever you're ready to go. And then we. What we really need to do from our perspective is get an email out to the team, give them an update. Because I'm wondering even if, you know, we get the glitches going, they don't necessarily need to get in and play yet. I might want to wait until we have matchmaking happening or not. I mean, maybe what is your timeline? They do the connection thing.

00:52:31

Team Holomovement: Yeah, it depends on the timeline too. Because if it. We could do a quick. If we have some low hanging fruit

00:52:39

Mariko Pitts: for next week, then that would be cool.

00:52:42

James Redenbaugh: It would be easier to do the matchmaking with more profiles in there, more

00:52:46

Mariko Pitts: data to get it done then.

00:52:48

James Redenbaugh: And then we'll play with.

00:52:50

Mariko Pitts: Okay, Yeah, I figured that too. All right, let's do that then. So we'll get them in there then as soon as you're ready, Hair and I will test it, make sure there's not that many big glitches or anything, so at least they can save it. And then information. And we'll get them in there actually doing real profiles, building their whole lawns, doing the connection assessment. Those are the big steps for them. And then we can activate matching from there after that, then you can start playing about that.

00:53:14

Team Holomovement: Okay, but maybe we could start. Maybe you could just let us know, the team, at least the four of us, what we need to work on so that we could start preparing on the matchmaking features. Because like, maybe whether it's tagging or like, what are the things that we're gonna, you know, what, matching algorithms and so on and so forth, so that when the time we have enough profiles, we could easily just roll it out. So like basically building the features simultaneously while we're populating it with profiles.

00:53:49

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:53:50

Team Holomovement: And let us know what the timeline would look like too, so that I could help out, I could help push it forward, help move things along.

00:53:58

James Redenbaugh: Cool, great. Yeah, matchmaking is our next big priority. So, yeah, I think. End of next week, I'd love to have it done.

00:54:15

Mariko Pitts: Okay, that sounds fantastic. So this week we'll focus on getting everybody in then so that we have something to use for matching. All right, let us know where we

00:54:24

Team Holomovement: can do that because I know you're still fixing some of this stuff.

00:54:28

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I'll let you know asap.

00:54:30

Mariko Pitts: Okay. Yeah. And the other big thing is that we need, once we get the whole on page and we need to figure out Linking the application. And I need to start moving whole lawns in too, because we got to get grants going soon. So that is a big priority soon, I think. But I'd like to get the matching into because you. Because once, you know, we're not just letting whole ons come in just to do a grant thing, they're going to have to play the system too. So, you know, we want them to contribute, create their profiles, do the assessments, actually build their whole ons, and then actually do the grant, you know, application as well for them to be considered. So that's the next beta group we need to open the door into is that whole on group. You know, anyone with whole lawns that really are going to be applying for funding, that sort of thing. So that'd be good, you know, so that synergist applicant, you know, the profiles, then it moves into whole lawn creation. And with an incentive like grants, you're going to get a lot of people coming in to try to do that. Right. So that's, that's the cool thing. So we need to make sure that we get the whole, the, the core team testing this whole thing, kind of making sure that there's no major glitches here and that everything is smooth as hell before we open it up to the next outside group.

00:55:43

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:55:44

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:55:44

James Redenbaugh: Great. Yeah. And people aren't going to get grants if they're. Hold on. Page isn't sexy.

00:55:49

Mariko Pitts: So I mean, they gotta have these sexy images considered.

00:55:56

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:55:56

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:55:57

Team Holomovement: Should we start preparing copy for the Holon grant application so that James could start.

00:56:03

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, but look and see what Jill's already created because she's already got the application done. She already did it. I mean.

00:56:08

Team Holomovement: Oh yeah, that one. Okay. Okay.

00:56:10

Mariko Pitts: Okay. Yeah. So, okay, maybe connect. Just connect with Jill. Just text Jill and just say, hey, can you send us all what we need again? And we could probably just put it in the. The info team infrastructure. Hola. Movement Slack.

00:56:24

Team Holomovement: Okay, perfect. I'll send a. I'll send a message to Jill.

00:56:28

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, and then, and then she's the one that's going to be writing copy and stuff like for us too, for that. So it's not like on here.

00:56:35

Team Holomovement: I love that. I love.

00:56:36

Mariko Pitts: But we just. Yeah, we just need to tell her what we need copy for. Like what's the parameters around that? You know, and that's something we need to design and figure out how we want to do that. Okay. Okay. So it should be. Obviously that should be in the whole on directory when you go. My whole loans. It should be something where It's a button for applying for Michael Grants or something like that. It could be simple like that. You know what I mean?

00:57:03

Team Holomovement: Yeah, I know that they want to start choosing people even before the wave. Do we create a temporary version of that that's open to the public so we could start getting applications?

00:57:17

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I want them in because we're gonna. We'll still award a few that we actually probably will pick. Maybe let's. Let's say there's two holons that we choose, but we might be awarding, let's say up to five at the wave. We announce them. We want some that are actually going to be there. But it entice. And that's why I need to get this up and going. Because if there are at least a member of a whole lot needs to be there to accept it. You know what I mean? If. And obviously. So I need to kind of get this up and going. Applications process is going so that I can say, hey, you know, you're being awarded. Are you actually going to be at the wave? We're gonna, you know, you know, it'd be great if someone can actually take the check or something or whatever. We can create a situation like that. But that doesn't mean you're gonna make

00:58:03

James Redenbaugh: a big, big check.

00:58:04

Mariko Pitts: Big check. Maybe something like that. Something cheesy as far. Yeah. So it would be good to have

00:58:14

James Redenbaugh: that make them fly home with this giant check. You need it for this check to cash. You need a video of you taking this check to your bank. Try to catch.

00:58:27

Mariko Pitts: Exactly.

00:58:29

James Redenbaugh: Upload it to the app.

00:58:31

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly. But that would be like round one. So we have a budget and I need to confirm that if it changed or not. But we have a budget for the micro grants that we can provide for this year. But let's say we only give 10% of that up front. And then there's different rounds. So even if, you know, if someone who applied doesn't receive grant, you know, micro grant this first time around, the second grant might actually be, you know, in July or something. And then the next, you know, we just got to figure out the different phases of when we. So you want to have people still applying things like that and so utilizing it. And we need to make sure that they're active. So these are things that we should be seeing in the back and like, how active is this group? You know what I mean? Like, have they done everything, you know, are they, you know, that sort of thing? So I think we need to kind of figure that out as a group. But we have a little time for that. But I do want to just for the most part. It'll be easier. It'll be easier for us to. The first. You know, let's say three grants that are awarded and they're actually awarded and announced at the Wave. Some of them might actually be people we're picking. But already. But we need them to still activate and utilize the system as well. As I open up a first kind of open up the door for other Holons to come in and do it. So just because we still need to test them and if they don't win, I can move into the second round. You know, they'll still be considered. And even more priority consideration because they joined us. They came in first to apply. You know. So we'll figure that out. But let's get Hera connected with Jill, get that application so we have that. Because it might need to be rebranded or just popped in. We'll figure out the best way to do that. So James can see it. Not hard. It's just a form. So. But it's just more of where it lives. I think probably just on the. My whole on page. After you. After you get your home on. They're in there. It should be something that's simple there. It's like apply for micro grants. Home up micro grants. You know. And we should probably put in the date of first round. Awardees will be announced at the Wave. Be something like that. You know, something like that. So anyway, so we'll work on that. I don't think that's going to be that hard. But we just need to get the whole on thing ready to go profile so that we can get them in there. That's essentially what I'm waiting for there. So. Okay. And test out profiles and all that stuff and then. Then we'll open the doors to the next batch of groups of people and know that that's what's coming. Yeah. Note that that's our next level of open the door to beta testers, essentially. Hold on, people. Okay.

01:01:19

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

01:01:19

Mariko Pitts: Cool. And let's. Let's strive to do that by the end of the month. That'd be great. That way it gives us the end of the month to open it up. I need to get some kind of deadline of when we're going to announce that. So. And I'd like to give that to Emmanuel. Like when do we announce or at least start the process that gives them, you know, a couple weeks actually. All of April people can apply. Yeah. Reward beginning of May or something like that. We just need to kind of figure out the timeline, but I think that's enough time actually. So if we can actually strive for, you know, maybe the beginning first week of April, something like that, so we can open up the doors to hold ons to come in. That may be good. But what do you think about that timeline, James?

01:02:00

James Redenbaugh: So wait, which week in April 1st?

01:02:04

Mariko Pitts: I don't know. First week of April maybe just. Yeah. For home loans to come in and create their profiles, all that, do the whole like do everything they need to do and then apply.

01:02:14

Team Holomovement: Yeah. Which means the core team has finished testing it and breaking it. This is like public

01:02:21

Mariko Pitts: layout. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:24

James Redenbaugh: I think like April, if we could have three weeks from now. Okay, so three weeks, that'd be solid. To make sure it's like solid when they get in there. Yeah, yeah, something like that.

01:02:41

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. So let's just strive for the week of that week. Finish up. Let's just do, let's see, 1, 2, 3. Maybe we can do a group. We'll test it on our Monday or the 6th and just see and then we'll. We can do a public launch maybe Thursday or Friday if we need to. The 9th or 10th, just given some room or even the next. I just want to give a couple days. But let's strive for the 6th of April to do a test here to make sure that we're ready to go, you know, and then we'll have a few more days just to regret the kinks. And if we need to announce or launch like on by the 13th latest, that's fine. I just want to make sure that we have some time. I don't want to, you know, I want to make sure that any kinks can get worked out by then.

01:03:34

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:03:34

Mariko Pitts: Because it's kind of a big deal. You don't want to open it up too, too early if it's not really, you know, you got, you got the less things that are breaking. So.

01:03:44

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I think we, we should frame it as a public beta though.

01:03:50

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:03:52

James Redenbaugh: But not a public alpha. You know, like we. Okay, we want, we want all the high level bugs to be fixed. You know, all the obvious things that the team can find should be fixed. I'm sure somebody's going to be like, I'm running Firefox on my 2008 iMac and I can't see my. Can't reach my edit button.

01:04:16

Team Holomovement: I am sure that's why it's so nice that we have that feedback section because that's exactly gonna be the first touch base.

01:04:30

Mariko Pitts: Oh the other thing that I would like to put in our ears for May before the wave, I'd love a, an assessment for people who are coming to the wave to do to help them match make into like before they get there. And I think we should create a wave assessment specifically for that can be sent out to people just so they can just see who they're best connected with before they arrive and then meet up with them, connect. Because you're actually coming into a physical arena together.

01:04:58

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:04:58

Mariko Pitts: And I'm pretty sure we can do that, but. Because we'll already have done the matchmaking by then. But it's just something to keep in mind. It's a nice little cool thing to have for people to kind of meet up and connect with each other beforehand.

01:05:12

Team Holomovement: I think for marketing, from a marketing perspective, it would be so cool to have a wave 20, 26 page within the, the ecosystem. And then we could. And that page could be kind of like the. So unlike the public facing page in the whole movement page that shows you details about the wave. This one is for people who are already registered to the Wave and, and that's where they could see everybody else who were attending, how they're also matching, I mean who's matched to them and so on and so forth. And yeah, that's where they could also like see the reminder. That's where they could see the bottom to the wave assessment too. But it's going to be. Yeah, it's going to be a good way to signal how huge being part of the wave is if you want to be an active member of the community.

01:06:06

Mariko Pitts: I agree. Okay, cool. Yeah, sounds good. Oh, James, I'm gonna give you the core team rate for the wave. So Hera, can you take a note of this? Basically. So let's get James the, the four day core team rate. You need to get him locked in. He's bringing Emily, his wife, right? Emily's coming?

01:06:30

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:06:30

Mariko Pitts: Okay. She's attending. So what we'll do what we're doing, James, because it's shared room and private room. So we'll give you the private room. But I think you have to pay an additional 200 a night or something for her to attend and stuff like that. So you're, you know, basically I think it's a 600 bucks plus your 100 donation. Everybody's paying the symbolic donation that goes to the charities and then you, I think. Is that right? Is it the 200 additional night for an extra. Yeah, like you're paying it for Mika to come. Rachel, boyfriend. So we'll give you that.

01:07:05

Team Holomovement: Yeah. 100 for each of you and then the 600, that's 200 per night for three nights.

01:07:12

Mariko Pitts: And then you guys get a private for all four nights.

01:07:15

James Redenbaugh: Great.

01:07:15

Mariko Pitts: The five star hotel sound good?

01:07:17

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. Yeah.

01:07:18

Mariko Pitts: You're getting. I'm bringing you in as a team member. I mean, you're in the team anyway. I would say you're probably in the core team anyway and it would actually be really good to help you have you there anyway because the tech stuff so me, you know.

01:07:30

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And if there's also. We should think about what kind of brainstorming or workshopping we want to do in person or if we want to do like some. Some focus groups that we can record, you know, that would also be fun for people to talk about, you know, what, what are their dreams for this app to become what would serve them, Things like that. I'd be happy to facilitate that.

01:07:56

Mariko Pitts: Well, Monday, I'm thinking about Monday facilitating. We need to do we need to have a tech track. Well, it's actually very different. This Monday activation day is going to be really interesting. It's something we haven't done before. We're still designing the facilitation of it, but I need really core facilitators and I think you'll be excellent at that because it is about infrastructure. It's a different layer of infrastructure that we're inviting small groups into basically become committees. But I don't want them necessarily coming in. I'm not saying we're bringing in a committee of a bunch of people who, you know, are interested in tech or actually building their own apps and coming in and saying, hey, I think you guys should be building this. But this is a way where we can invite people into what we are building to create that. The feedback structures, the surveys actually. But also listen to what's going on in the field because, like, there might be. This might be where Ravi comes in, is talking about the event app that he's building that I think we might actually want to contrib, you know, and because he'd be a huge funder too. I mean, this is like where Kevin Triplett is coming in to kind of contribute and say what he's up to and how we can consider what's in the field. Because this is about collaboration. But we do need them to test. It's more about like this is what we are building our ecosystem yet, you know, and you guys can be different layers of. Of the committee to test these things with us and you know, or. And Also introduce us to different things too.

01:09:22

James Redenbaugh: And even possibly create pathways for folks to create their own features, at least assessments. Like how can people create their own assessments for the ecosystem? But also other things, like, what if they really want something, to do something, could they build it themselves and then we integrate it or, you know, work. Work with us on that.

01:09:51

Mariko Pitts: So I like that. And then it's built by the system, the community, because it is a community engine in some way. We're all, you know, we're starting it, but I do want to put it in some people's hands and say, hey, you know, what do you think? Where can this go?

01:10:04

Team Holomovement: Yeah, I feel that it would be Monday. It feels like a deepening, like it's for people who want to actively shape the ecosystem. But I feel like for the first three days, it would be nice to find ways, like whether it's the lounge or like little pockets of time in between or we're announcing it to, to. To convert everybody who's going to be there into active members of the platform.

01:10:34

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we should, we should also consider like full ons for each track or something.

01:10:40

Mariko Pitts: Like they will be. Yeah, that's also what I'm thinking.

01:10:43

James Redenbaugh: And then we can encourage people to like, post in those holons. Like, this workshop was great today. I had all these ideas after the session. I didn't have a chance to ask this question, can I ask it here? You know, things like that. To actually engage on the app while they're at the conference and message people. Like, I saw you at the, at the T workshop.

01:11:14

Team Holomovement: Oh yeah. Because that happens a lot. That mimics an actual experience. Right. It's like people have had. Don't have enough time to talk and then the next time they tell me, I've been meaning to talk to you back yesterday, but there's just not enough talk time and da da, da, da, da. And they could do that. Yeah. Another thing that I want to say is now that we're talking about, about it, I think it's. It's one of the things that we talked about back then was what if on Monday there's a way that we could capture all these conversation. But now that we're talking about this, maybe it's not just for Monday, like actively talk. So in Monday, one of the things that we plan to do is have like multiple parallel sessions for categories that we think are relevant to the growth of the whole movement moving onward, whether that's tech or conscious. Conscious business or okay, maybe forgot the term and so on and so forth. But and one, there will be imagine different tables talking about different topics but all to all for the goal of, you know, creating aligned pathways together. But also we know that many people are multi faceted.

01:12:24

Mariko Pitts: Right.

01:12:24

Team Holomovement: Like people are passionate about many things and we imagine people going from one table to the next just to see what's happening in the tech track or what's happening in the, in the impact track. So what if there's a way that we can capture all of these conversation in real time whether whether that's having like a note taking, an audio note taking app in the middle of the table that auto, that auto populates this, this real time word cloud that's showing up on screen so that they know, oh, this is the conversation that's forming in this table. This is like the word word cloud from this table. This is the word cloud from the conversation in this table. And from there they could see, you know, the, you know, what wisdom or what, you know, forms what, what themes are emerging and they could see if they need to move to the next table or stay where they are. Because like in I, I, I in I've when I would go to all the World Economic Forum sessions, one thing that's always a conversation starter they don't have, we don't have the real time word cloud. But Wef always employs all these like amazing artists from whether that's in Switzerland or like in China. There would always be these fly in artists who would draw these like amazing word clouds. And, and, and I mean it's, it's always like. Well it's not just a word drawing, it's a visual facilitators and people at the end of the session or even like the next day would love to go to that room where all the drawings are to just look.

01:14:03

Mariko Pitts: Stonehouse did that for us, the first wave and then, and it might be something. That's what she does. She's a visual, visual animator and so she designs all that stuff. She did it on paper but she could also do digitally. Yeah. So this big. I mean that's a massive piece, you know.

01:14:21

Team Holomovement: Yeah. I was thinking you could have her

01:14:24

Mariko Pitts: do something like that. Yeah.

01:14:25

Team Holomovement: Maybe platform and even make it publicly available even beyond the wave so that people knew the, what happened in the wave through those digital artware or digital word cloud or whatever that that's going to look like.

01:14:43

James Redenbaugh: Cool. Yeah. I definitely want ways for Holons to share and feature things like images high in their profile to not just like have a feed that drifts off into nowhere but have like here's. Here's what. Here's some fruits of what we're working on now. So that could be an image from the event. It could be a document, it could be a notebook, lm, video, you know, whatever. I think that space is important. I've got to. I'm late for a meeting, and I have to pee. Okay.

01:15:22

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, we need to. We need to bounce off. Eric. You can hang for a minute, but, yeah, you. I actually have to go pee as well, so we'll. I'll be right back.

01:15:32

Team Holomovement: Me, too, actually, me too.

01:15:35

James Redenbaugh: Okay. See you guys.

01:15:37

Mariko Pitts: Bye. All right. I'll be right back, Kara. Me, too.