00:03:34

Hera Rose: Hi, James.

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Mariko Pitts: What's up?

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James Redenbaugh: Hey, guys.

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Mariko Pitts: How's it going? How was Alaska?

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, it's great.

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Mariko Pitts: Where'd you go? What parts?

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James Redenbaugh: We did a small boat cruise in southeast Alaska, so through, like, lots of fjords and, you know, Sitka Seward.

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Mariko Pitts: Nice.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's really beautiful. And then went up to Anchorage and travel around in a van and camped out and. Oh, fun. Awesome.

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Mariko Pitts: You need to watch out for those moose, man. I tell you, it's crazy. Yeah, it's serious stuff up there.

00:04:26

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. There've been 200 moose hit on this one highway already this year. We had a sign for it. I didn't even know there were 200 moose.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, it's a thing. It's a thing. Yeah. That volcano didn't blow yet, did it, over in the Anchorage area?

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James Redenbaugh: I don't think so.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay. Yeah, you probably wouldn't know if it did. Yeah, I spent some good time there. I've actually been on Denali and up north and stuff like that, so that's cool. I love. I haven't been down in the. The Juno area, but I definitely want to do that next. I've been more up north and stuff like that. Central north, but yeah, I love Alaska. It's one of my favorite places.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's. It's my new favorite price.

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Mariko Pitts: It's nice. Is it? It's pretty epic. It's epic. Oh, well, that's great. That's great. I know it's kind of weird being back in Pennsylvania, isn't it? After being in Alaska, it's kind of hard settling or what.

00:05:23

James Redenbaugh: What am I doing here? Yeah.

00:05:25

Mariko Pitts: What is my life now that I'm out of the last.

00:05:31

James Redenbaugh: I've been spending a lot of time on the roof. Just like at sunset. Just like looking at the sky like, I need to.

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Mariko Pitts: It doesn't get dark. Really? Is it this time right now or does it get dark? I can't remember.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it was. The sun was selling at like 11:30 in Anchorage.

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Mariko Pitts: It was 11:30. That's not bad. Okay. It's getting a little bit darker. Then it was like 3 o' clock when I was last on, and it.

00:05:58

Hera Rose: Was like, oh, okay.

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Mariko Pitts: It's just daylight half the day. You know, majority of the time it never gets dark. It was just like, okay, get like sundown at 3am Finally.

00:06:09

Hera Rose: What the.

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Mariko Pitts: Anyway. All right. Well, that's great. It's so good. I. You were saying that and I was like, Damn. I need to get back to Alaska my damn selves. Like, it's incredible spot. So I'm a little bit jealous that you're there.

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James Redenbaugh: Wave Northern Alaska.

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Mariko Pitts: It would be so good. It would be actually so good. Didn't even know it was coming. It's so good. Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: Great. We'd have a lot of space.

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Mariko Pitts: Yes, for sure. That's for sure. And really cool. Unique experiences to get out and do some stuff. Yeah. But yeah, I'll. I'll think about that one. I'll put it in my pocket for, you know, the next considerations. All right, well, let's jump in because we only have like a half hour, I guess now, huh?

00:06:52

James Redenbaugh: Right.

00:06:52

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. So we got plenty of stuff and I know Hera has a big old list maybe you want to share and we can kind of see what has already been done. And then I do want to talk about like some of the next level stuff that we want to do for the homepage. And then it's really, for me, the homepage. Big stuff that needs to get shifted over. Phase two updates. And then I think the wave page. Right. And then there's little things like that I think Hera, you've been working with Yvonne on already.

00:07:26

Hera Rose: Oh, do we say his name is Yvonne?

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Mariko Pitts: How do. Is it Ivan?

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Hera Rose: I might have been saying it.

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James Redenbaugh: Technically it's Yvonne. He does not mind being called Ivan.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, yeah, he's. He's very fast. Every time, like every time I message him, he's like, oh my goodness. Like, it's like every time I message Ivan, he always has a root. He always has. Has something to say. He's like, okay, this is.

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Mariko Pitts: He's great.

00:07:53

Hera Rose: This. Yeah, he's amazing. But anyway, okay, so this is actually from our Slack channel. So I added a little tab over there with just a summary of everything. So there's two. We created the document, two documents. One, the present series of slides that just shows screenshots from the website and like certain changes that we want implemented. And then another one which is this. Actually these are both the links in here in the screen. So the. Which is from Jill, which is. I haven't already checked that off. So yeah, we have two groups of changes. One is related to the wave page and then the other one are general website edit. So, so for the website, one of the things that we want to do is to figure out if we could connect our airtable signups in the synergist program to Consent contact. Because the reason why we're asking that is because Jill has an email sequence that's prepared for everybody who's registered and also those who are registering for the first time. We'd love them to get a welcome email. It could be a three to four part email sequence that's onboarding them to the synergist program, whether they're a whole on an alliance or an ambassador. So I'd love to know what. What we need for that, James, so that we could give that to you. So that's one. And then we're looking to integrate Instagram content into the website. Is that what you want? Miracle. You mentioned this in a previous call.

00:09:41

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's just that. Yeah, just a quick like just a.

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Hera Rose: Living feed of what's posted in. In Instagram on the Wave. We'll.

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Mariko Pitts: We'll.

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Hera Rose: Maro has other ideas on the website, but for. Specifically for the Wave, we wanted to up like, we wanted to update some copy. I. I'll do that. I will work with Ivan on that. But really like the most important sections here is just, you know, having a re. Experience Wave Asheville and Ibiza section where we get a carousel of photos. Basically the goal is to let people who are. Who's interested to join us in Lisbon to know what happened in Ibiza. Nashville. So we've already. I've already have a couple of, I think around 57 photos handpicked from. From all the wonderful photos that lla took from the event. And we're gonna. We're gonna. I'm gonna pass that on to Ivan. So yeah, we. We'd love to put that. Use all those. Those photos to updates that carousel. And also we want to update some of the images from the like the background images that we use in the other sections of the Wave website. What else? Tweak section. Text. Okay. The rest are just texts. Oh, yeah. The next one is for Purpose Lab originally when I had a call with Mary.

00:11:03

Mariko Pitts: You're speeding through all of this. But we need. I think we need to just do one section at a time and just talk. Okay. Okay. Because I know there's a lot and we can share the list. I don't know. Does James have this list? James, do you have this already?

00:11:16

Hera Rose: It's in our. It's in our channel.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, it's on our Slack channel. So yeah, maybe we pull that up because honestly, I think your. I can't. It goes in and out and so I think I. You're. When your share screen. I can't see it all the time, but I do think that we should just.

00:11:33

Hera Rose: Okay.

00:11:34

Mariko Pitts: Do high level on the wave stuff. And then obviously there's a list of stuff that we could check off. Right. And then I think that there's high level on what we need to do for the wave page, which is. Yes, there are a couple things that we need to hide. We don't want to. Obviously we want to keep elements of the page just. And refine it a bit just for the. You know, it'll be a new template that we keep. Maybe we just do a duplicate and make something that is ready to go for after every way that is, you know, that we just switch it over. James, I'm thinking maybe it's like this one is like the photos, it's like re. Experience the wave and then it's just like this is where we pop in the new photos and things like that. And then we change out like, you know, join the wait list. Here are the new dates, the basic stuff that gets people prepared, you know. And then the main wave page is getting updated with the new data offline while we're plugging in new stuff and putting in new payment things and all this other stuff that needs to change.

00:12:31

Hera Rose: Right.

00:12:32

Mariko Pitts: So. So essentially this is what we need to do. And I'm thinking maybe we do a duplicate for now. That ends up being a template that we can just. It can grow that immediately goes up right after a wave is done. You know what I mean? Something. It just immediately replaces it in some way. So that's what I'm thinking. And so we create that template and these edits could be that. So instead of actually just changing the current, you know, the mapping of the. Of the wave page, I think let's do a duplicate first until we. And then, you know, and then put that one up essentially. And then the. The original page, we can just keep it as this for now and put in the new Lisbon information as we go that we can have access to. But something like that. That's what I'm thinking. What do you. What do you think, James, would best? Because I'm just thinking from more efficiency and like, what's the. What's the thing like moving in the future that we do immediately so that the old page isn't up, but then there's something new immediately, you know, and it's.

00:13:40

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: More engaging for what's next rather than what has happened?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I think the after page can be a lot simpler. There's a lot of things we can remove from it. I think that the current page could become a template for future. Yeah, future pages and we should save it as an archive.

00:14:05

Mariko Pitts: Right.

00:14:07

James Redenbaugh: For past lives or for your own records. And then so I think that the most of it can probably be reused for the Lisbon page. And you'll probably want to make the. The next wave feel fresh and unique and special. But I think that the overall structure is great.

00:14:44

Hera Rose: Yeah.

00:14:46

James Redenbaugh: So yeah, I think that the. The. The after page is just like the hero can stay the same. We remove like the. The lodging and.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly.

00:15:02

James Redenbaugh: Site specific stuff. It can keep the presenters list, add some photos from the event and then. But also have a big section of like coming soon Portugal 2026. Sign up for updates here.

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Mariko Pitts: Exactly. And I think keeping the. It's more vibe oriented. Right. So it's more of the photos. It's kind of like, you know how we have those sections for site connection and it's a big photo, full screen photos and then there's a little bit of a blurb about what to expect at waves. Those pictures and then you scroll down and it's like music workshops or whatever. Like I want to keep that. That's always. I think it's a given. It's just like about the vibe of what to the feeling and what. We kind of do a vague way of experiencing what comes in a wave rather than obviously a program flow. But we can also. I think we could. I don't know if you think but in some way giving an idea example of a program like I like the. The design that we created for the program that we used and maybe it's just very vague. Kind of like we use that as an example of kind of how the flow would be. Just give them an idea, you know, because it's always good. Because pretty soon I mean we can actually start. We actually lock down the dates now. We haven't announced it yet and we're making. We're writing up contracts now for some of the venues. So pretty soon we can announce that and then I mean I could probably have tickets starting to sell again September, honestly. Or at least having. I need to also need to make a note that we need to change the sponsorship page. I think I can't remember what. It's a home of it.netforward/wave sponsors or sponsor. Wait, I can't remember. Sponsor waves or something. Anyway, so we need to get that up and going soon because that will be the next portfolio that I'm going to be sending out as I'll be reaching out to sponsors. So make a note of that here that we need to update the sponsorship page for the wave and I think right now, if we could make it. Just make it go offline, that's probably important too.

00:17:13

Hera Rose: Yeah, actually, I, I love that you said that this could be a template, James, because one of the reasons why we want to. We want to use this same page is because. Well, backtracking a bit. Laura actually requested these changes because we're already in the process of. Of having conversations with people who are interested to learn more about Lisbon. And we thought about creating. They requested for a page with. With photos of everything that happened. But I, When Mariko and I were talking about. We're talking about it, I was like, the page that you guys already. That you guys, that we published is already amazing. And we can. If you look at the slides that I shared in the chat, they're very. We focused on tweaking copy and changing photos so that it's dated because it's amazing. The journey, the user journey. And that page is. Is already top tier. So we just need to keep it to improve it as we get more information about it, whether it's dates or hotels and so on and so forth. So. Yeah, actually the first few items in the list are just mostly copy changes and photo changes. The second half, I realized, are new updates and are not actually wave updates. So a lot of that is related to another. Another page that we want to. We want to add, which is the about page. Do you want. Do you want to go with that? Do you want to go. Go there now, Marco?

00:18:47

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I think so. But I mean, for the wave page, you get what we're talking about, right? Like, that's pretty simple. It's the standard thing and I think it's just good for future use. Like, we're actually just implementing a new system that will be, you know, we will do this and then we'll carry it forward afterwards. So it's just something we know like, boom, boom. What has to happen after these annual events. The. Okay, so. And we can go through this. I know that already. I think it'd be good to have your eyes on those website edits on that list that she. She did, because there may be some stuff there that you might need to do or work with Ivan on. But. But I know he's already kind of working on that wave page stuff anyway. We just need to get him the pictures and then it shouldn't be that much. Hide a bunch of the other things and then we should be probably good to go, but just make a copy and then, you know, that's what we'll Do. Okay, so let's go to the home page in general. How about that? Let's shift to the homepage stuff. One thing that I realized is that we don't. You know, the one thing that we had on the original homepage for the whole amendment was it was a lot of text, right. But it was a lot of telling what the whole movement is like, the general statements of the whole of movement. And we kind of let that go. And I realized that we didn't bring it in and like a simple, like, about, you know, like we have. I was like, oh, shit, I think we need the about section. And I condense it. I actually already rewrote up something or reworked something that could just go in its place. But I'm thinking we need it probably in one of the boxes right on the homepage. It might be good to just. I don't know what you think, but maybe have it in the. The header bar, the sub bar, or it's like about. And then you click on that and it takes you to a page which just a simple, like, you know, an image or a couple images, and it's just really like the main text essentially, of like, what is the holo movement? You know what I mean? I don't know. What do you think? But I'm thinking, because I'm looking through it, I'm like, it's great. I got the vibe. I love the header text. It's obviously a social movement. It's all about transforming the world and conscious collaboration, serving the greater good. I get that. But it's like, I feel like there's a little bit more that can be said, especially that we are a movement, that we aren't an organization, that this is like, you know, that we, you know, we aren't absorbing, you know, projects, we're actually accelerating projects. These kinds of things that are actually really important to understand. And a little bit more about where our theory of changes. So it could be that page where it's not just the about section, where it's just like one or two paragraphs of what it is. But then there might be an easy way to say, read the white paper, read theory of change, you know what I mean? And we just add those links there because we've had them. I think we have them in PDF form that are already in the website somewhere, or at least it was on the original homepage. You know, I just bring it back to nice little buttons, and then it's just PDF so people can download or something. You know what I mean? But I just thought because we have the foundational principles and values, which is important, but then we probably just need just the about, you know.

00:21:54

Hera Rose: Yeah. And currently the current. I was. I was telling America the current homepage is amazing in the sense that. I mean, it's. It's optimized for conversion. You go to a website, you see all of those links at the hero section, and that's it. You already know everything that's happening within the whole movement. But then we realize that as we work with new people we've met during wave and as we like, you know, talk as we get all these questions, whether it's about the wave or collaboration and all these things, there's new people who just met us that want to learn more about us. And that or the previous homepage is amazing for that. We were reviewing it the other day.

00:22:34

Mariko Pitts: It has that information. Yeah, I looked at. I went to Figma and looked at the whole page and I was like, yeah, I mean, that's cool. We can have some elements of that, you know, and maybe even use that home page. It's like the about section page. You know what I mean? Like, because I really love how the logo opens up and it's this white. We could just bring that back, but just for the about section. You know what I mean?

00:22:55

Hera Rose: Yeah, I definitely miss that page. I really.

00:22:59

Mariko Pitts: It has its own wow factor because the logo opens up and, you know, just gets big and opens up into the white or whatever color. I can't remember what it was, but there's something really cool about the original homepage. But I think as a secondary piece, it could be good for like, all right, boom. What is the whole moment? And then text. And then, you know, keep it simple with some. Maybe an image or two. And then, you know, and then basically the. Some buttons to, like the white paper. The theory change. Keep it simple. You know what I mean? I don't want to overdo it. So. Yeah. Any thoughts on that? Basically just use the homepage, open up text. Maybe we can redesign it a little bit so it's not circles. I like the square formats that we're using, kind of the rounded corner, square formats for the photos. So I think we need a little redesign for that page if we can. But I know we kind of were playing on the circles because of the logo. It's more developed around the logo. But I would just leave it to you to kind of see if there's a design that is a little bit more updated to our current design for the you know, because we did get away from a lot of the circle. Circle photos and all that, you know, now went with more curves, curve boxes and things like that.

00:24:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:24:25

Mariko Pitts: So something. Yeah. You know what I mean? And Harrod, you have that text that we can just send or put it on that. That list and that will be the text that we use for that.

00:24:37

Hera Rose: It's in this. It's in this blacklist.

00:24:39

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:24:40

Hera Rose: Yeah. At the bottom.

00:24:41

Mariko Pitts: Perfect. Okay, I'm just going to pull up this list too, right here.

00:24:51

Hera Rose: Do we also add about in the menu bar at the top of the homepage right after home?

00:24:57

Mariko Pitts: That's what I was thinking. What do you think, James? Sure, yeah.

00:25:02

Hera Rose: Because what I added in my notes here is we're going to add it, we're going to redirect, learn more to that page. But it would be nice to definitely have an about because it's just people intuitively look for an about just because that's how most websites are.

00:25:19

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, I agree. So the button underneath the HERO text, it says learn more. Let's put that. Shift that to the about page that we're going to create. I think keep it, learn more, but just. It'll just shift to the about page for now. And then let's put about in the actual subject. Hero subject, you know, bar. And I don't think we need it in a box. It doesn't need to be in one of the boxes with a visual. I think it's just fine to keep it and learn more. And then at the top, what do you think? It's always there every time you scroll, you know, you've got the subject there. So if you need to hit. You need to learn more about the whole movement. It's just like go to the about page right there on the top. Okay.

00:26:21

James Redenbaugh: About these guys.

00:26:23

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:26:28

James Redenbaugh: We got the principles and the values, same icons. Does this want to evolve a bit? I don't know if they need to be like in cards. I kind of want to see the text flushed out more. I don't know, something about this section. This isn't doing it for me.

00:26:53

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. What are you thinking?

00:26:57

James Redenbaugh: Like getting out of the cards and just putting. Putting the icons there with some bigger headlines in the text underneath so you can see them and then maybe generating.

00:27:06

Mariko Pitts: A little bit more.

00:27:07

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, generating some different icons for values instead of reusing the same ones.

00:27:13

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I like the idea of a flipping, you know, I like the principles of values and using. Because there's eight principles, eight values that we use. And so I like that it's unique, but maybe it would be good to stand out, like, principles and values. I've noticed that even Rachel, you know, our teammate, didn't realize that there was a values one, so it was like, oh, it didn't stand out clearly, that there's principles, and if you click that values button, it shifts. So we might want to figure out a way to make it more clear, you know.

00:27:49

James Redenbaugh: And. Or it's more clear on the about page. I don't know. We could have an expanded version of the section on the about.

00:27:59

Mariko Pitts: I don't know if we need it, though. I like it. I like it front and center the way it is. I really like how we brought it in, like, as a more foundational piece on the way on the homepage, because we are focusing more on the principles of the movement so that people get that. But, like. Yeah, I agree. I think we could look at other ways that it could just be. It could pop better or be more clear, you know?

00:28:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:28:24

Mariko Pitts: So if you have some ideas, I'm open to it.

00:28:27

Hera Rose: Yeah.

00:28:27

Mariko Pitts: About that. And I do think, yeah, maybe we switch the icons. At least the design changes a bit for values and principles, and maybe for.

00:28:37

James Redenbaugh: Values, like, we don't even need icons. We just make these words a lot bigger. They're just humility. It's good for humility, but.

00:28:50

Mariko Pitts: I think.

00:28:50

James Redenbaugh: They can be bolder.

00:28:51

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I agree. I like that.

00:28:55

James Redenbaugh: And these two are the same for some reason. Which.

00:28:59

Mariko Pitts: Which one?

00:29:01

James Redenbaugh: Humility and integrity.

00:29:07

Mariko Pitts: Oh, it is the same icon. Huh? Oh, love and reciprocity are two, I think.

00:29:14

Hera Rose: Yeah.

00:29:17

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I think they're slightly. Yeah, yeah, they're different.

00:29:25

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Yeah, they're different on the principles, but on the values, they're a couple are the same. Yeah. The values, Humility, integrity, and In Love and reciprocity are the same.

00:29:35

James Redenbaugh: That looks like a maybe I should.

00:29:38

Mariko Pitts: Easy, easy Mistake on that. Yeah. Okay.

00:29:43

Hera Rose: All right.

00:29:43

Mariko Pitts: I'm pretty sure nobody else picked that up except for you. Just now it's like, okay, Damn. All right.

00:29:51

Hera Rose: Is that. A part of me thought I was like, ooh, was that intentional?

00:29:54

Mariko Pitts: But it was not. It was not for sure. And we're figuring out this whole soul guy thing. We did update it a bit, so. Because it just wasn't. Was not happy on that, but I need to figure out moving forward. Oh, is yours different? Why does yours look a little bit different than mine? It is. What is it? No, I guess maybe it's not. Okay. But. Yeah, we worked it a little bit, but apparently there's some more that needs to be done there, and I need to talk to Adam hall about that. We'll figure that out. The bigger thing here is about the map, right? So why don't we jump into the map stuff here? What do we have on our list? The technical pieces that I really want to talk about is, like, communication potentially and connection for the map. Right. And I think that's the bigger thing here. It's like, what's phase two? Remember I was saying maybe there's a chat functionality or a way that, like, each person, like, if I click on, there's a button to email them or contact, you know, on each one. And then if there's an encrypted, you can send them a message, but you can't see their email or something like that. Or it's a direct message and you can't see it. And then if they respond, then they're welcoming, obviously communication back, but a way to connect with that person. You know what I mean? I don't know if we can even do a chat functionality or what that looks like, but I'm just open to your thoughts of, like, some of the new stuff and just technology that we can do to integrate. Some apps we can integrate that can support just having people come to this and the next thing they want to do is like, oh, I want to reach out to this person. Anastasia sounds cool. Or I'm in Ibiza and I want to meet up with this person. Like, how do I do that? You know, the simplest way at least to just connect with that person would be good. Another just the first question that I would have, you know.

00:31:49

Hera Rose: Yeah. In. So on my list, I don't have much on the map because what I understand was this is, this is still exploratory in nature. What, what we're going to discuss about this. But in our previous call, I'm not sure if you remember that more. One of the things that I thought was maybe we could explore. No good. No. Why did I say no code? No code functionality, no code tools and figure. Because I, I, I took Q in one of the communities I was part of before, during the pandemic. It was also kind of like an aggregator of, you know, people from different backgrounds where you could connect with people, but there's kind of like a level of. There's a level that you have to go. There's a layer of security that you have to go through before you guys could message each other. So basically how it works is there's a list of People within the community. And then you can go through the profile like oh, these are people with the same interests as me and so on and so forth. Then if you're interested to reach out with that person, there's a button that says request intro. And then as soon as you request intro, those two people receives an email. Like receives an email. Basically the. The person requesting the intro gets copied in the email. Basically the email says hi, Mariko wants to connect with you. Click this button if you're interested. When that person clicks the link that says yes, they automatically get receives a second email. That's an intro email. Like hi. Oh no. For the first email was only in the first email the requester does not get copied. The requester gets copied on the second email, which is already the intro email. So I like that and I felt like that was an easy, even easy one to pull off and were using a lot of no code tools during that period. So. But at this point, like my knowledge of webflow is so outdated, so I don't know how. I'm not sure if they use bubble or something. But yeah. I want to ask you, James, I defer to your wisdom on this. I feel like that should be version one. If you can't like go all the way with a chat. Functional chat functionality yet.

00:34:10

James Redenbaugh: There'S, there's definitely possibilities. There's nothing in, there's nothing in webflow for something like that. Yeah, exactly.

00:34:25

Hera Rose: And there.

00:34:31

James Redenbaugh: All kinds of things are possible now. And, and we're doing some crazy stuff on other projects. Like we have an AI Chatbot client built integrated into a webflow site. Custom relational AI. Bottom I like that I've built a video conferencing app into a webflow site with chat functionality. It's like overkill. We figured out how to do like commenting on blog posts, which is not a native function.

00:35:04

Hera Rose: Yeah.

00:35:05

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:35:07

James Redenbaugh: So yeah, it's. But it can get real complex real quick. But yeah, we could definitely explore those.

00:35:17

Hera Rose: I'm like vibe coding fixers are going, yeah, lots.

00:35:24

James Redenbaugh: I've been finding that the models have been getting dumber lately though. I don't know if it's because there's too many people using it, but I feel to be. Yeah, maybe I've gotten smarter. I don't know. That's probably not, probably the opposite. But the things I used to be able to vibe code, I feel like it's having more, more trouble with.

00:35:47

Mariko Pitts: Okay, well what would you think would be a good start? I mean from where we could go. That, I think would be really good way to help more engagement for people to connect. Like, what would you suggest?

00:35:59

James Redenbaugh: Like, yeah, so what's. Like, what's the MVP functionality? What's the core thing that it needs to do first?

00:36:06

Mariko Pitts: Connect. It needs to connect people. So I don't know if I, like, I mean, it's. I'm pretty sure it's probably a lot easier to just, you know, someone puts their email in and says yes to communication in the back end, that we at least allow people to email them, you know, in an encrypted way. You just send a direct message to them. You know, I'm sure we could do that, but I'm thinking from the next level is like, is there a some kind of chat functionality that we can build in and what that might look like for people to be able to just, I don't know, connect in some way without building a whole damn social network or something? You know what I mean? It's just like, what's. What are those next levels that are around that we might want to explore?

00:36:51

James Redenbaugh: Okay, well, here's an idea. We have all these things on an air table. We could. And this is just kind off the top of my head. There's a tool I've been playing with lately called N8N, which is kind of like an AI smarter Zapier. And I. I'm using it for my wedding website, for my registry. And I. I have it. When people register, it takes all the data, it reads their message, and then it automatically responds to them via email and copies me and my fiance based on whatever they said. So, like, oh, yeah, we can't wait to see you at the wedding. It's really good. I just did an afternoon. I was like, oh, this is easier than I thought it would be. But there's. There's not really any limits to what you can do with Nan. So we could do something like people fill out a form and it. It receives that data, and it also receives all the data from the air table of who's in there and then, like, matches them with some people. So based on what you just shared about yourself, oh, you should really talk to Mariko. I'm going to write you both an email with this intro.

00:38:21

Mariko Pitts: Interesting. I like that. That's fun.

00:38:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, something like that. So then you don't need to build a custom interface on the website where people log in and they have to, like, use that tool and then they close their browser window and they forget about it and then do it again.

00:38:37

Mariko Pitts: Right.

00:38:38

James Redenbaugh: But it's like people are already on email or they're already on WhatsApp or whatever. You know, it could be on WhatsApp too. Put in your. Your phone number. You're like, I want it. You know, I'm. I'm in Portugal and I'm doing this thing and I just moved here and I don't know anybody. And then it's like, oh, you should talk to this person. They're also in this thing. And you can plug in Claude or whatever, LLM to intelligently interpret their message and then create a connector and, like, put them in. I think you could put them in a WhatsApp group or something like that. It's pretty cool.

00:39:18

Mariko Pitts: I like that. I like that a lot. Now you're speaking exactly what I want. Yeah, now that's. That's great. That's cool. Anyway, where we can connect and make. Just connect people with connects, you know. And I'm saying connect a lot, but just connect, connect people. You know, as long as we can do that, the better. Where I don't have to think about, oh, Carrie Palmer is a fit for Jane Charles Betterton, just because, you know, but the AI can read that. And it's like, oh, there's some similarities here. You guys are working on environmental things or whatever. I think you guys could be great. Here's an immediate connection, you know, and that's kind of like what I was looking at with iOS, remember, it was like, this is like. It's based off of. The AI was able to look at hobbies and all these things of your interest. And then it put you into groupings of like, you know, put them in the actual, like, social media. We could put them in using Hilo and put people into, like, hold on together based off their interests, you know. But this is great because I can still just integrate what you're already using and it's there and just say, hey, as soon as you become a synergist and you sign up, it can just introduce you to just energists that are there, that are actually more alike and initiate a communication channel start. That's great.

00:40:28

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. You know, you could even, yeah.

00:40:34

Hera Rose: Scrape content depending on what they like. Say, for example, they add all of the. They add details about their interests. You could even ask AI to scrape content about those. About those people. And then that could also be additional basis for recommendation. What I like about this is the. The example that I gave earlier was kind of like version 2021, where you get an automated bot that's basically sending you an email introducing both of you. But then after that, you don't have any idea about what happened with a connection. You mean basically there's an automated email you receive, hey, this is an intro. I'm introducing both of you. And then from there it's up to those two people whether they're going to meet on Zoom and so on and so forth. The, the connection, I mean, the visibility ends there. We don't have context about what happened afterwards or like what their common interests are. But with this one, with James suggestion, we could better. We can have more data about what's working, you know, the common interests of people that we're introducing.

00:41:41

Mariko Pitts: And will we be able to see that behind the scenes as well, though? Because it would be good for us to see in some way, like what the AI is suggesting too.

00:41:50

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, you can review every time it runs.

00:41:53

Hera Rose: You can see what it. Yeah, you could.

00:41:54

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:41:55

Hera Rose: Or if we also, if we eventually reach that phase, we're going to create kind of like a chat, like, you know, the just a window. You could, you could track all the pings, like every message that the person, A person receives at the back end, every message that a person sends.

00:42:16

Mariko Pitts: All right. For the sake. Because I gotta. I got another meeting in a minute. I know, James, you have to run too, so. Yeah, and we're in a juicy call, but I think if you could, why don't you explore that a little bit more and let us know, Send us an email of like, if this is something we could probably do. This is very exciting, I think. Yeah, especially because you're already playing with it. Let's just see what the capabilities, the potential for this is and how it can eventually be integrated. We don't want to just design something complex if we don't need to. You know what I mean? If there's something already there, utilize AI and the best way to help us get people connected. And I think that's a great start. You know, I think we'll give it a shot.

00:42:50

James Redenbaugh: Simpler the better and use. Utilize things like WhatsApp. Like put everybody in one WhatsApp group together or something like that.

00:42:57

Mariko Pitts: Something simple.

00:42:58

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, something simple. And then have that. Have one layer of complexity that makes it really special.

00:43:06

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, maybe we can we use Hilo? I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, let's just look at that and see what the. Where we could put people together. That's what I mean. You know what I mean? All right. And then if you could hold one second. Yeah, because I got right. If you could look at. There's a question. I think that Jill sent around.

00:43:29

Hera Rose: The.

00:43:29

Mariko Pitts: Mailing list for people in the air table to connect them directly to the mailing list so that we can. Oh, that's what I said that might be important. So I think. I know Jill sent an email if you could look for that and then maybe or Hera you can send some more info about that. But I think she did send some links, sort of connected if we can for airtable. I don't know how we're going to do that, but that's.

00:43:50

Hera Rose: I also sent a message on Slack earlier about that same thing about the whole of the. The lists.

00:43:56

James Redenbaugh: Cool. Cool.

00:43:58

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Okay, cool. I gotta run. But great talk and we'll talk later. We can set up another meeting too to go over some stuff. But yeah, let us know what you think about Nan and all that too.

00:44:09

Hera Rose: I started learning make too.

00:44:12

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:44:13

Hera Rose: So we'll see. Yeah.

00:44:14

James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

00:44:15

Mariko Pitts: All right, big love to you both. Bye.

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