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Mariko Pitts: You are blue. Oh, yeah, that's much better.

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James Redenbaugh: How you guys doing?

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, good. Busy, busy. We just got the ticket sales up going for the public. Thanks for all the help. Geez. It just launched today to the big public.

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Hera Rose: I was like, we're talking about all the to dos.

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Mariko Pitts: And I'm like, at this point, I'm.

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Hera Rose: Just like, taking it one week at a time.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Of pulling my hair because, like, customer support emails have started coming in and I'm like, oh, I think I'm the one who needs to deal with this. It's like one day at a time maybe, you know. Jesus. Oh, my God. But yeah, it's up and going. It's more public now. I'm like, okay, you know, we've had. No, but it's good signing up. We've, like, had.

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Hera Rose: And like, our first sales are for the full package with a hotel.

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Mariko Pitts: I know. It's the most expensive one.

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James Redenbaugh: Cool. That's great. People know what they want.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, no, they do. It's really great. Hold on. My Internet is probably breaking up. I'm going to go off camera for a minute and just see if I. Can get this back up and go in. Right. Yeah. Actually.

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Hera Rose: Actually, you've never had problems with your audio? From my end, there seems to be audio.

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Mariko Pitts: Was my video scattering a bit? No, no.

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James Redenbaugh: I think it might have been me changing my microphone input.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay. Because it did drop. My Internet has been dropping, so I just wanted to make sure, though that's good. That it's okay right now. But I don't want to lose you guys. So we're good. Okay. So why don't we jump in, James, because you have been.

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James Redenbaugh: Huh?

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Mariko Pitts: No, no, I was struggling.

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Hera Rose: I was like, we don't want to lose you too, Mark.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God. So crazy. All right, well, hopefully I don't drop. If I do, I'll come back. Don't worry about it. You're so funny. All right, James, because you have been like, hitting us up with some really good. And it's just been like, I'm like, confidence to get around to doing it. And I'm like, oh, God. Because all this stuff is happening and. I finally got around to doing the assessment. I got my results on stuff. I did the numerology bit. That was cool. I'm like, okay, you got some really cool things up your sleeves.

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Hera Rose: I'm sorry, James. To be honest, I haven't done any of it because I'm like, yeah, I'm so overwhelmed. I'm just so overwhelmed.

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Mariko Pitts: Right now. So I'm like, I can't believe you haven't done it. That's crazy.

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Hera Rose: No, no, I saw the. I mean, I started doing the assessment. I. I've done the assessment and I've seen also the. The email, but I haven't done the numerology.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, okay. So you did the first one, which I think is most actually important because it's very. To like what's going on our website.

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Hera Rose: You know what I realized I've actually done an assessment, but I haven't got. Got to the. The last few questions. That's why I didn't get my email. I think something happened or I might have gotten cold a call or something. Totally didn't finish it because. But maybe see that in the back end. James.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. If you don't submit your questions, then none. None of them go through.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay, okay.

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James Redenbaugh: I'll just do it again.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay, go ahead.

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James Redenbaugh: Just the other day I added another feature which will analyze all the podcasts, and based on your response, it'll recommend different podcasts to.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

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Hera Rose: We were trying to do this with Soul Guide.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, I know. Soul Guide is all out. Whatever. This is way better. Should have integrated a long time ago. I don't know what they were thinking anyway, but beautiful. Oh, God. I know. And I did my assessment, which gave. Me the podcast, which was really cool.

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Hera Rose: I mean, James won't grade something that's ugly, so.

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Mariko Pitts: No, no.

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James Redenbaugh: And then to show you real quick, the numerology.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I'm going crazy now. I'm just like, hush, let them talk. Save the excitement for later.

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James Redenbaugh: So just as a little demo, this one's really easy because there's no hard questions. You just put in your birth date and time, and I'll put my email address in here. And then this is going to go really fast because I've already done my profile. So it actually finds it and pulls it back. But if I hadn't done one, it'll feed it through an AI agent and put this together for me. And it calculates all my numbers. It makes this interactive thing. I can change how it displays. If I want to look at things differently, I can scale it. I want to animate this and have it move when you come in just for fun. But it's basically a proof of concept with numerology, because numerology is really easy to analyze, easy inputs. But we could do astrology. We could do Vedic astrology. We could do Myers Briggs. We could do purpose questions. We can do all of the above and then create not only these textual results, but also visuals that correspond with them that make it more engaging. And then I'll have also gotten an email with this and I figured out how to. In. In the automation, it actually takes the geometry and then makes a PNG that for some reason that was the hardest part. Like getting it to convert an SVG to a PNG took me like five hours. But figuring out the geometry took me like 15 minutes.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, that's crazy.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, yeah, I get that part. I try to do create that feature before. Like this was back in 2019 and it takes a while.

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James Redenbaugh: I.

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Hera Rose: But that was hard code back then, so.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, but I finally figured it out. I had to. You know, the images go on Google Drive and then they go into airtable and then they go on to webflow. But then we have everybody. These are all friends that filled it out and we can see their. There are profiles here and I can go back to view my profile.

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Mariko Pitts: Where's mine? Can you see mine?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: Let's see.

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James Redenbaugh: I like to try to look at these and guess who's who. Yours is really cool.

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Mariko Pitts: How does it create? Doing the. The geometry with it.

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James Redenbaugh: This is great. So there's four different numbers that are calculated from the. The letters in your name and your birthday. And there's just different combinations of birth path, I think is all of the letters and numbers. And then core I think is like just your birthday or something like that. But it's a. It goes back to like ancient Greece and Kabbalah and different sources and practices of doing this. But it generates these four different numbers that have different meanings. And then I just took those numbers and turned them into polygons. This, this geometry. So I can turn labels on here and I can see your birth path, your core, your destiny, your soul urge. And then there's also pinnacles down here. So there's different phases of your life and they have different themes. This is cool. I've never seen this. Your first two are one. Oh no. You have one and then 22. Master number. And then five and five. Very alive. And five is your birth path also. And if you hover over here, we can see every year has a different wow number as well.

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Mariko Pitts: What's the 22 P2.22 for what exactly is that? Pinnacle.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's a master number.

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Mariko Pitts: So if I know that. But what is it correlated to in this? I guess I didn't see that reading part.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, it's. It's the pinnacle. So we have these. These different life phases. I didn't get too much into it. There's a bit about it down here at the bottom.

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Hera Rose: Oh, I can see the last paragraph. Your master number. 20 to ages 32 to 40.

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James Redenbaugh: But this. This didn't. This can't be right. You can't be older than 41.

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Mariko Pitts: I. I definitely am 41.

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James Redenbaugh: What? Oh, my God.

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Mariko Pitts: What?

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James Redenbaugh: That's crazy. So you're just starting. You just finished your. Your theme, your 22 pinnacle, and you're just starting your five. So that's great. And this will tell you about that.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, interesting. Okay, that's cool. Very cool. So it's even more detailed than I. Thought it would be. Yeah, Yeah. I love it. And it's beautiful.

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James Redenbaugh: I was reading my profile with Emily and my mom last night. We were reading each other's, and it's like, oh, my God. It was amazingly accurate. I made it and I was surprised because I. I want to. I've studied numerology for a long time. I just did pretty basic stuff in here, but I want to actually create a whole database of the. The information about the numbers and their meaning because it's very geometric for me. It's like every number has a frequency. It's like a tone, and it allows for different things. I have, like, four different sixes in my chart, and I've always been drawn to hexagons, and I got this hexagon tattoo before I even realized I was a six. And now I'm like, I'm in a six year in a six pinnacle, and I'm 36, which is six times six. And it's like, oh, crap. Super. Super six. So now's the time super six to. To nerd out on the numbers. But it's also just a kind of proof of concept of what we can do because I put this together in. In three days just for fun.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: That's.

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Hera Rose: How exciting.

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Mariko Pitts: What are you building this on anyway? Yeah, what is this built on?

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James Redenbaugh: It's a Webflow front end and Webflow CMS with a Webflow form. And then it goes into N8N, which is a new app I've been diving into the last few months. I'll show you what it looks like. So when a form response comes in via a web hook, then I. It gets processed through different calculations and there's different gates. So if somebody already has a profile, it feeds that right back. Otherwise, it'll process the numbers and then create the geometry and then feed that into a Claude model to do the analysis and converts it to HTML and does the image and kind of puts everything together and then feeds it into airtable. And so everything's synced with airtable and then airtable synced with webflow. So the profile goes right there and then I have it wait a couple seconds to make sure it gets to Webflow. And then I actually pull the data from Webflow and put pull that back into n8n so that I can email the person a link to their profile on the website with the image that's hosted on the website. Because the airtable images disappear after a day and then everything's right there on the website. So I'm just kind of stringing these things together. But I show you this to show you like anything is possible really. We can build again, you know, we could build a membership essentially, or it could be open and accessible. Like the numerology thing is you put it in, you can see everybody, you get your profile, or all of that could theoretically behind a paywall. And then also different animations or different automations could be triggered by different interactions on the website. So let's say we had a resource library or a big database of people. We could have a field, a simple form on the website where you can ask a question to say, who should I connect to in, you know, on the east coast or in Europe this year? Or like I mentioned in my text, looking forward to the wave. If we have people in a system like this, we could automate different profiles and programs and conversation queries that we think people might enjoy based on their responses to simple questions about their work in the world, what they're doing, what they want to get out of the conference, you know, where they live, things like that. And then we can use different algorithms to say like, oh, you should really talk to Jeff, you know, and have a one one with him. Or you should join this group of six people that are meeting at lunch on Saturday because you all happen to be doing transpersonal bodywork or something. And it can, you know, it can do the work of a networker and a facilitator at whatever scale. You know, these things can be scaled to any size. And we could build in both like hard programming language, you know, like a lot of JavaScript that does different kinds of transformations on data, but then also like language and simple prompting and like social programming built into it. We don't need to make an algorithm for everything. We can prompt an AI to say, you know, analyze these different things and then get this back to Me, but put it in this format so that we can use it in this database, things like that.

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Mariko Pitts: Well, this is pretty incredible stuff that can be done right now. Wow. And then what's the, so what's the cost behind a lot of, with the AI model and storage and all that. And you know, what do you think from there? It's like, because assessments and things are amazing and I think that's a huge draw into like a paywall too. Like you give something for free, people learn about themselves. And I think this is the thing that I was talking about like way back when I was looking at that integral operating system with the zone of genius profile that then led you into like groupings with like minded people. So you were on there kind of touching on the same exciting sticky things that immediately drive people in. And then it's from there it's like how deeper does it take them? You know, once you come in, if you're an assessment, you learn more about yourself. You're saying, hey, connect with these people. They're amazing people that are already in the ecosystem. And then from there we'd want to move them into that. What's that next, you know, segment of the, in the campaign that moves them directly behind a paywall into which I think is going to be the biggest, stickiest thing for retaining our community in the whole this living network that we want to build, which is essentially the engine for good. And this is where the funds, you know, we're not donating just to donate. We're literally the funds are going into more fueling the entire regenerative ecosystem of the whole movement and micro projects, the projects that are out there. This has to be regenerative, you know, so you know, a portion of the funding goes back into the ecosystem of the architecture of running a movement, but the rest of it goes back into, you know, I think I want to love Enable community voting on projects. I want, you know, with you got hold ons, you got hubs who are the hubs are essentially the local region. You know, we've got one in Asheville that's pretty big now and that's where you kind of the first meeting point for connection. Like, you know, it's like boom, here's the actual hub. You get in there and you meet your people, then you can inspire, you know, small group passion projects from there. But like we gotta be able to have make sure that these networks that are coming in and these people, these whole lawns and alliances and individuals come in and they have a place to interact with each other, but also be able to apply for micro grants, get in the ecosystem, share their stories, inspire more, you know, so this engine for good comes with like, I don't. It doesn't have to be, you know, tokenized or anything like that, but in some way there's like, maybe it's impact tokens that are actually given through this. And, you know, you're buying impact tokens, it's going in, you're voting with your tokens, you're voting with your funds for projects that are amazing. Those projects get funded if there's more enough votes and all sorts of things that have to be regenerated. But this engine is what really brings people back because now they see tangible, transformative projects in the world are actually feasible. We're all seeing them, we're spotlighting them. The movement does what it does, which is amplifies it, but it also makes sure that if you're playing in the system and you have an impact project, and that impact project is doing good in the world, it actually can be supportive with funding and additional resources can come. That's not just financial because, you know, there's so many things that are currency. So this is the ecosystem that has to make the whole movement sustainable in general. But this is what no one's doing. And that's why this is a movement of movements. It's like we're just holding the space for a living architecture of a network to thrive, for collaboration to happen. You know, you got physical events like the wave and you, were there. You can see how magically inspiring things pop off when people are like, they're like in a space together, like, oh my God, like, what are you guys doing here? It's such a high frequency. And then we don't have that living network for them to play in afterwards, you know, And I know that, you know, when were talking to the boldly people, you know, they're like, you know, what's an average of 15 bucks of people donating per month? You know, and they can raise it, they can lower it, they can stop it all they want. But the donation or what it is, the contribution to the whole is actually so much bigger. And it's not just a donation to a nonprofit, you know, it's regenerative. So I think a lot of people will be willing to do. I mean, we've got over 300 people, I think in our just in Hilo alone that would need to. That were want something to do, you know, And I'm sure that most people would donate 10 bucks for the system that we're kind of trying to paint out here, you know, and things like what you're building, like with the lounge rooms, these are all amazing things that support connection and belonging, which is the first thing. And you know, and then we have, we do with the hard part. We actually have events that bring magical, deepening trust, you know, the things that people really rarely do. The, you know, those things are easy for us and then it's like bringing them into a place to continue to play. And for me, it's so important that space, that digital network has the feel, the magic, the essence of the events. It has to feel the vibe. You have to, you can't come into Hilo and it's just dead like, what the fuck is in here? Like, it's just a gray room. Because we can't design it. It has to be completely curated and tailored to the whole joy, the colors, everything that we're designing. It has to have that feel, you know, or else we've already failed, we've dropped it, you know, so that's why it's like I can't create and take people to anything. That's like a plug and play. It has to be something custom and curated because we're already creating magical experiences, which is what's drawing them to us in the first place mostly, you know, so. And I know you get that's why you're building these things and you've been building the website with us for so long. So you get it, you know, on a deeper level than even like the Boldly team, because I'm having to constantly, you know, it's like you have to constantly get them up today and they haven't even been to a wave, so they have no idea what the essence of what it's like when you're in that kind of community and what, you know, they have an idea, but they haven't even experienced it yet. So I need you to understand like what we've created, what we're already doing well, and then push that into, you know, the evolution of a living network on a, in an online way that literally has supports retaining but also resources and fuels and the, this purpose driven economy that we are creating. Because that's what it is, a living network of purpose driven economy. You know, it has to be regenerative and it has to be, you know, all the alliances that we have, you know, in our field that want to play and have resources and already have courses or have meditations like this is where they can offer these things. And it's just like it's a marketplace of amazing spiritual consciousness things. You know, it has to be very juicy. But it's something that isn't out there. And I know that now with some seeing what you're doing, it tells me even more of how much we can, what we can do now that's really just out of the box. If you think so. Out of the box already what we can do.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, more actually James and I talked was that two weeks ago James. Because were both testing the Boldly app together and were talking about how we feel that it's incomplete like from the login alone. Like there were features that normally already see in an app that's already in a more mature phase. So yeah, I try to make it as concise as possible. But for me we talked about how, you know, Boldly, it's a custom coded platform, it's built on hard code. Built on hard code 13 years ago. They've done good work. But for me, the tech stack is old, it's rigid, it takes a long time and a lot of money to add or change features because it's built from the old model which would normally take weeks and months to and usually would require a dev team to do it. But right now we have Vibe coding and basically Vibe coding. There are many tools like Lovable or like Bolt that could do it where they use AI driven code assistance. We could build custom features without hiring a full team of developers. They're more flexible than pure no code, but still much faster and it's good for quick experiments. But what James is actually doing is like a hybrid.

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Mariko Pitts: It's.

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Hera Rose: He's using N8N 8N with Webflow and it's basically an automation engine. N8N is an automation engine behind the scenes. So they handle the matching, the workflows, notifications, the scoring, all the logic that makes the app and we don't have.

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Mariko Pitts: To do a hard ass code behind it.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, because like Vibe coding. With Vibe coding you could create an app with some prompts but you're not sure what's happening in the back end. And you'll still need to do some manual linking. I mean a human that will still have to go sift through the back end to make sure that the logic is done right. But with what James just showed you, this one, this is actually the brain behind the app. And unlike just Vibe coding, you will still need to do this when you Vibe code. And this one is Actually like doing it right. You'll start with a flow first before actually building the front end. There's a bit more manual component to it, but it's the right way to do it. If you notice, you could see that it's a diagram. It's a flowchart. Actually. When you do a hard code, every single box that you see here corresponds to a code. But now, because we have tools like nan, you don't need to hire a developer to actually code each of those elements because all you need to do.

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Mariko Pitts: Is do a drag and drop.

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Hera Rose: That's how amazing these tools are right now.

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Mariko Pitts: So the crazy.

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Hera Rose: The reason why Boldly is so expensive is because you have to hire a developer to do. To create a. To code each of these different elements. That will take hours or maybe even weeks because they still needed to Troubleshoot and everything. N8 tools like N8N and make just. Yeah, just allows you to do that. Now it's drag and drop.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And it's completely modular. So we figure out how to do one thing over here, we can copy it and do a similar thing over here and over time make a library of these different resources. All these different code nodes are custom code that either I created or I've by coded, but I'm building into it instructions about what's actually happening and breaking out different functions into these nodes. And like these three could be one thing, but because I've spread them out, I can see what's happening so that somebody else can come in the future and see like, oh, we figured out how to do this over here. We can copy this, you know, this clean webflow data into a new automation because we need to do that again over here and it makes it incredibly easy. And Mariko, everything you said that you need a system like this can do, it's, you know, it's really limitless. We can integrate with Stripe and other platforms so we can start to show visually how money is moving around. We could make really cool visualizations about what's coming in. Where is it going? What happened? Yeah, when it was used, did people file reports? What. How can we show those reports? Reports interesting ways. We can enable voting, you know, one user per vote in a voting round. So you vote on something and that gets logged and if you vote on something else, it'll know, you know, and like move your vote to that. Anything, anything is possible that you can imagine.

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Mariko Pitts: And incredible.

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Hera Rose: For me it's really the flexibility mark, because I could imagine if you work, say for example, with a platform that Uses hard code. I imagine creating a new feature will take multiple layers of approval. Like say, oh, but we need to create a mockup and then, oh, we need to create, have the web, have the front end developers bring it to life and then, oh, we need to get the backend developers to do the linking. And that like takes a lot of man hours. And I could imagine with the additional, that would take a, an added invoice too. Like a really big invoice for every feature, for every layer we want to build.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, oh yeah, it would be pretty expensive. I mean this is obviously way more inexpensive than the app. Obviously. And I mean I like it. This is, it's the current technology and it's only going to get stronger and better, you know, especially working with na and it's only going to get the new updates and things like that. It only strengthens us starting and building on that and then expanding with it. But I love it. I think the next thing I'd like to know is how can we, how easy is it? You know, if it's web based we still want it, the mobile functionality. So I would need to have some type of, you know, downloadable ecosystem that I think it's easier for mobile because we can't get away from. You know, we all know the truth is that everybody's on mobiles and apps so you know, we can make a pseudo app, whatever that looks like or some sort or eventually move it to an app. I would like to know the bigger, like where can this thing go into essentially like we make this bridge now when it expands and more people are coming in and let's say the money is coming in and this ecosystem is flowing because this is great to test. Like let's get up. I think it's really worth it to get the certain levels behind the pain wall that we want in the ecosystem flowing. And when we have enough users and people saying yes to this, then we can say, well, how much more do we invest into making it the next level and then, and understanding those phases. But what is the final phase where it can live, it's tangible, it's an accessible mobile functionality rather than just purely or mainly web based.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, great question. So I think that we should iterate in a web app mode while it's small, while we can move fast, get people in there, get them using it, get feedback, get input and then once it starts to feel really solid and valuable, then transitioning into an app or adding a mobile app Android App, iPhone App layer is a relatively straightforward process given this ecosystem. So everything on Webflow can be exported as HTML, CSS and JavaScript, which can be translated into the languages required to build an app. If not, you know, used one to one and every automation in N8N those automations can either live on N8N continue to function in this with a mobile app interface. You know what's great about this is it's these processes that are happening on an N8N server, but the inputs and the outputs could be anything. So right now it's pulling from webflow, but it could be pulling from a custom app and sending things back to a custom app. Or you know, all of these things could be created to be done locally on a phone, you know, and then just the AI API goes off and comes back. But it's basically you know, mapping out how you would build it as an app. So it would be easy to scope and easy to develop when that time comes to translate things there. And it's easier and easier to build apps these days. There's more and more tools to make that possible. And having everything like this where both we can understand it and AIs can understand it's just going to be surprisingly easy. And then the same kind of APIs and permissions that are used for different processes can be used in those apps. And you asked about cost and I just wanted to show you. So like the Claude, I'm using Claude agents, which has a cost per token. So like every time somebody fills out an assessment or does my numerology thing, I get charged a little bit, but I paid like 27 and I've used $7 of it so far and I've done a ton of testing, I've done so many automations through that is. So it's super reasonable, it's like very affordable. Obviously those costs would go up if a thousand people are using it, but then hopefully there's money coming in as well.

00:33:09

Mariko Pitts: You're right. Yeah, predictable.

00:33:12

Hera Rose: Mark, you know how like when, yeah we're talking about like server fees, like how much is that gonna be? And like the additional storage space, it feels like unclog clear when we work with dev teams but with tools, when you use tools like this it becomes very predictable because you see exactly how you're being charged and.

00:33:32

Mariko Pitts: It'S super, it's way more.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, N8N has a monthly cost but it's super reasonable. Like I'm on a 20amonth plan. And I've never.

00:33:43

Hera Rose: Yeah, exactly. It's around 20. Yeah, that's the range. It's 25 to 29.

00:33:49

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: And then you're just looking at air table and things like that. Data storage, that sort of stuff, right? Yeah, that's right.

00:33:55

Hera Rose: Yeah. You need to add, you need to add a budget for the two.

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Mariko Pitts: Is airtable the main storage for all the assessment stuff? Is that what you're thinking? Or is there somewhere else we should be storing some of this data? Like let's say thousand people, something like that?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Right now the assessments aren't even being stored, but they totally could be on airtable with the pro plan that you guys already use for the podcast.

00:34:23

Mariko Pitts: Interesting.

00:34:25

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So just because I was doing it as a demo, I just have them mail. But I'm thinking that we would use a table on the podcast and as people answer questions, it would store those answers to the questions and then as they create analysis that would get stored on there. But it's all text, so it's like, it's not a lot of storage. Even if you have 10,000 people on there, it's like. And it's just text, then it's just text. You know, they. Maybe they have a profile image or something like that. But it's. The data usage is not, it's not a lot. And another cool thing about N8N is it can run on its own servers. Like this is on an N8N server, but there's also local versions. I could be running this on my own machine or I could be putting this on my own server and have full control over my data and, you know, anything that's happening to it.

00:35:25

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, exactly.

00:35:26

Hera Rose: We own the data.

00:35:28

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's really cool.

00:35:29

Mariko Pitts: That's really crazy.

00:35:31

James Redenbaugh: And it's open source and yeah, the sky's really the limit.

00:35:38

Mariko Pitts: Well, okay. Yeah, this is kind of just like. Exactly what I've been waiting for. Exactly what I've been waiting for. It's crazy.

00:35:47

Hera Rose: And also mar the most important thing because I know you're such a. A purveyor of beauty. James is the one that's like, I've been creating our website for so long. Like he knows the vibe. Like he knows the whole movement vibe. So I'm like, I. I just know that if it's James creating it's gonna beautiful.

00:36:08

Mariko Pitts: Well, yeah, I mean, let's just like. Given now with how we dialed this stuff in so much. Yeah.

00:36:15

Hera Rose: It's so funny because like when James and I talked. We didn't even get to like the.

00:36:19

Mariko Pitts: Details, but were like, did you demo the page? I was like, yeah. And we feel like it's still, it's.

00:36:26

Hera Rose: Still, it's different from like the whole movement page. It feels, we still need to design it. We still need to like change things up if we're going to work with boldly.

00:36:37

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I mean, maybe. Yeah, highly. It's highly likely. I think we've. Laurie even messaged or she messaged me and let me know that most likely she already let them know that most likely we're not going in that direction and they're willing to work with us and support and with the other direction and the alternative stuff. And I think even Michael Sean might help us with strategy and selling because I think, you know, he's a marketing mind too. And so once we get this and going helping, he can help me with, you know, super campaign development and all that to really for marketing team to implement what we've done to really to put it out there. But in the meantime, you know, I like, I told him I actually met with Alex the other day because, you know, this week because it was the weight production stuff and Michael son just wanted to say hi. And so I told him. Then I was like, look, you know, you guys got to remember I was already asking James for phase two of the website when we developed the map box together. Like, this was always a part of the plan. And then you guys popped in about an app and it was like, oh, okay, I mean that's a possibility. And then kind of went all full energy into it. But it never stopped the idea of me saying I was always moving forward with the website for a deeper connection and things like that. Like were already. That was part of phase two of the map build out anyway.

00:37:53

James Redenbaugh: So.

00:37:53

Mariko Pitts: But this is just even better because, you know, your assessment shows me immediately. You know what? You immediately went to the basic things that we've already built, like the core function of the website that has. That is the bigger attractor right now. A lot of people really like that map. They want to see connect and they want to see other things. What can they do next? Like. And so. But there's an immediate draw to it. You know, I've talked, I've had meetings. And I showed to people and they're like, whoa, what? Like this is what we want. This is crazy. But they want to see that next level. Which is why that's what we call phase two, the communication aspects. And now having assessments. I can see people's numerology. These are all things like that are ended up on their profile. Because you're literally as you're doing an assessment, I think there should be other questions that actually fill out the profile itself. And then all of these things like the, you know, the answers from your assessments. It can be little AI descriptive of, like, what is that person's mission or their purpose could come out of that or something or, you know, a mission or. And in their numerology number, if they choose to share that, like, it could just be really unique profiles. And then it's like not just an email, but maybe there is a chat functionality that we can. We can build into. Because, you know, it might not be in the first phase, but maybe it's email. But there may be something we might want to look at for that chat functionality right off. Off the bat, you know, if it's not too expensive, I think we could probably. I think we should probably integrate it in the first, you know, phase.

00:39:21

Hera Rose: Yeah. More. I love. I like, something like dawned on me. Just. I want to add this very briefly. Remember last year when were in the retreat and we talked about iOS and I kept on asking but how is this gonna look like. Like, have you done something like this before? And they kept saying yes and yes, but they don't have even a prototype to share it. This is what I'm talking about. What James just did right now is actually showed what's possible, what iOS could have done a year ago and any was already.

00:39:50

Mariko Pitts: I can see how I can. I see how iOS could be built into this easy too. If we just take the code from that, we can buy that off of and I can have the Zone of Genius brought into this without having to deal with them developing anything else. Like, it is open source. They're, you know, they want to work. It's like there's simple things like that cool assessment along with a numerology thing. Like, you people can do their Zone of Genius. That Zone of Genius is literally, you guys remember the profiles that could add to their profiles everything else, but that's an. That's an easy thing that we could buy off of them too. Essentially. Just, you know, they're licensing for that. Like, there's so much we can do, but that's actually just easy code now with Nan and. And James designing it, that's easier. That's easy stuff to do.

00:40:34

Hera Rose: Like, I was like, confused why one thing that, I mean, we've never. And we've. We've halted conversations about it. But one thing that I've, that has made me curious is you've told you they've kept us, they've kept telling us that they're a develop, they have a development team that they could do this really fast. But why haven't they done this with all the tools that are already available? Because make an N8N has existed for over two years.

00:41:04

Mariko Pitts: Well, I think, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I do know that they were talking about they had MVPs of it, but they were, they built out a pretty vast ecosystem. Wasn't just Zone of Genius. And so they were. Yeah, you know, but they were charging other aspects. Other aspects of what they were building were already in use elsewhere. No one was, no one had brought in the Zone of Genius component of it or something. It was, it worked. It was an mvp. It just, it wasn't designed. That's what they were saying. Yeah, yeah, it was already built into the system. It just wasn't designed. So it's not like prototyping and designing. It is completely different than it actually working. We did prototype it. It was a prototype. We used it. I don't understand that question fully though. Oh, I think like we did use it.

00:41:46

Hera Rose: That's a, that's like from a tech perspective, they have the framework. They have a framework and they had a, they had a, they had a chat GPT prompt that's going to make that's going to allow the framework to work. But as a, as somebody who's, who is working tech, that was, that's not an mvp, it's just a prompt that's based on a framework. So it's not. Yeah, that's what I kept on saying. Well, like usually like tech founders would create a mock up and a prototype just to show the vision. So I was like hoping maybe they especially that they're aiming, they're, they're asking us for a sum of money for the first phase, which is the assessment. So I was like, maybe. I mean, yeah, I remember that time I kept on asking about that we.

00:42:33

James Redenbaugh: Have to look at.

00:42:34

Mariko Pitts: The first phase wasn't just the Zone of Genius assessment. It was also. It took you into messaging profiles. First phase was messaging. Zone of Genius was just a prompt that they already designed that was a very simple. And behind it was actual the integral work with Ken Wilber. So the designing of it to create a prompt, the whole work was already well done to create his own genius. Which isn't. It wasn't. There's nothing out there that creates his own genius. So they had to develop the entire work. It's like developing an enneagram on their own.

00:43:04

Hera Rose: Yeah, they did that. Yeah.

00:43:06

Mariko Pitts: You see what I mean? That's a completely different situation. That's a.

00:43:09

James Redenbaugh: Okay.

00:43:09

Mariko Pitts: They literally created a new self assessment profile. Okay, that's not. That's based off of Ken Wilbur's work. And then they created into a prompt which was like, wow, this was very simple, very cool, you know, amazing information that no one else has because it was a unique self. A self assessment prompt. It's like someone saying, hey, I developed a new numerology self assessment that no one's ever done before. That's what they did. But phase one was also taking you from AI usage directly into like, wherever the groupings would be. Like, if it was WhatsApp or Hilo, it would take you from additional assessment questions into like minded, like groupings. So it would dump you into a location with other people that think and feel like you based off your assessments and your Zone of Genius profile. That was what they were trying to MVP to. That's what the prototype was trying. That was phase one. But the Zone of Genius was something already developed and they had a prompt to help you with. But that prompt already had like a decade of work of design to create a self assessment program. You said, I mean, that's completely different concept.

00:44:12

Hera Rose: Yeah, now I'm. I'm totally seeing the reframe because now if you look at the cost as the cost to actually them creating the framework, then it's a totally different story than creating a prototype. An MVP be. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, I told.

00:44:27

Mariko Pitts: But I mean, that's. You know what I mean? But that's not the story now because, you know, if we wanted to bring in like a self assessment tool, which I think was the stickiest thing, and that's the thing Zena said was really profound. It was, you know, you can design that. That's easy. That could be done really quickly. It was more the other stuff that were like, what's. Is that, you know, do we need that? Is that where we want to go?

00:44:50

Hera Rose: And what's amazing, this is, I.

00:44:51

Mariko Pitts: Think, where we really want to go.

00:44:53

Hera Rose: Next level. And what's amazing about this is we could create different types of assessments based on the com. The active campaign for that quarter or that month, and that will constantly feed the field information about the next steps for community.

00:45:10

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah.

00:45:11

Mariko Pitts: Exactly.

00:45:15

James Redenbaugh: So when I made these questions, I was just kind of getting started. And it's informed by different developmental models and worldview models and integral theory and things like that. But I think that it would be really valuable to continue to be iterating things like this because there's no one framework that's true. There's things that we can learn from astrology or Mars Briggs or, you know, skills assessment or different things. But what we want to really get at is how do we create more good together, you know, how do we get more done? How can we find ourselves in more optimal roles where I can give more of myself and do more with others in the world. And these opportunities to kind of self reflect are really important. But also we can enable like group reflection and AI facilitated group processes where you're not only filling out a questionnaire by yourself, but you're answering questions in a group and kind of assessing each other, things like that. But there could be an ongoing conversation about how to understand ourselves in this world. And then these things can be rapidly iterated and then we can feed them through different algorithms to see what they reveal. And then the most resonant things can rise to the surface and the things that don't resonate as much will fall away. So over time there can be more and more powerful assessment tools that can also bring in more and more people and we can have a whole library of them. And then these things can also become parts of your profile where it's not just like one thing that's on there, but different things can be on for different people. If you're into numerology and you want to have your geometry on your profile, like totally put that up on there. If you're a super astrology person, go for that. Some people are turned off by that and they don't want to do it and that's fine. But if you are into that, like put that on there and then that becomes a part of the database that matching algorithms can draw from. So you know, if I really need an Aries on my team, you know, and the AI can figure that out, whether I'm into astrology or not, that can go, that can be a part of the equation if I want it to be. And, but the thing that excites me the most is translating the results that we get in the analysis into, you know, not just text and statements that can be helpful, but visuals that can really like stick with you and shift consciousness. And I just wanted to show You. A breakthrough that I'm really excited about that I had two nights ago, because I'm. This is a coding language I'm most fluent in called Grasshopper, which is for 3D and 2D and 4D parametric design in CAD. I've been using this for 15 years, and it's like my favorite thing because this is how my mind works. So I made this whole thing in like, 30 minutes.

00:49:03

Hera Rose: I love it.

00:49:03

Mariko Pitts: 30 minutes?

00:49:05

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So, like, I can think of any geometry, any form, two or three dimensions, and then figure out how to build it with code, with numbers if I'm using this node base system. So I can plug. Plug different functions into each other to do different things. So this is how I thought through creating the profile, but then finally I realized. But. So I've been doing this for a long time, but it's always been isolated to Cat. And then I can export, like, graphics or 3D models or data, sometimes from here, but it's usually confined to this space. But finally, just two nights ago, I realized that I can export Grasshopper in an XTML file format still. When I export that, this is still a big file. It's like over a million characters. But I realized I can reduce it by 93%, and I built a tool for reducing those files. And then I can feed those little files into AI language models to recreate things like this in JavaScript. And so I was able to make this, which I've always wanted to be able to easily do things like this. And now it's possible. And so it feels like just the beginning where I can go From Grasshopper to JavaScript, and then we can do whatever we want with that. So this is how I build.

00:50:38

Hera Rose: Is it just me or my screen froze?

00:50:42

Mariko Pitts: No, I think it's you. No, no, I can see it. It's fine on my end.

00:50:48

James Redenbaugh: So, like, all the different variables that I had in Grasshopper came right into here. But then I can do more things that JavaScript allows, like coloring and fonts and things like that. And it's just like, oh, my God, I've suddenly become a much better developer than I've ever been because these worlds are combining. So if we're talking about, like, custom visuals and possibilities, it's really all of a sudden limitless and just happens to enable some. Some really cool stuff for you guys. Here's another demo that's. That's just a completely different kind of thing. I'll show you real quick. So I've got a client in. In Mexico that's working with these indigenous wisdom keepers that do really cool stuff. And they do this beautiful beart, you know, the Mexican, the colorful beads together. So I made this little tool where you can upload any picture.

00:52:00

Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

00:52:01

James Redenbaugh: Like, here's Alistair. And turn it into bead art immediately.

00:52:06

Mariko Pitts: That's so cool.

00:52:07

James Redenbaugh: And it's three dimensional, so it's actually rendering each Taurus of the image.

00:52:13

Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God.

00:52:14

James Redenbaugh: And it's. And it's interactive and I can change the scale and resolution of the beads.

00:52:22

Mariko Pitts: And that's crazy.

00:52:26

Hera Rose: Why? That's what I'm telling are.

00:52:28

Mariko Pitts: Oh, my God. The possibilities are endless with tools right now.

00:52:31

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's just, wow.

00:52:34

Mariko Pitts: This is a whole new era of stuff. Wow, that's so cool to just see how like, just your own passion, things have already evolved. Like breakthrough things. Just like overnight. It's like, oh, boom. It's like, here you go. Amazing ways to actually enhance what you already do so well. And you take it to the next level. That's very exciting. It's very exciting.

00:52:54

James Redenbaugh: Thanks. It just feels like so many things are combining. And then it also happens to be that all my clients right now are wanting really similar things and they're coming out of the woodwork and it's like, oh, okay. I'd love to get to a point where I'm working with lots of organizations, but it's more like I have a single client and I'm building one thing that has many facets and capabilities that can be tailored to the needs of different communities. But then also even I'd love to enable sharing between them. Like, what if different online schools, for example, had the same dining hall or the same kind of back end? So people could, you know, are learning something over here, but they can easily just come over here and start learning something. Or an assessment that they do in. In one zone can also get fed into what they're doing over here. So it's not all, you know, isolated and separate. You. You find a new community and you come in as a complete noob. What if, you know, essentially the Internet was more open and inside out and we can move in between spaces and build profiles that are ours. And then the spaces that we go into fresh already know things about us and our strengths and our skills so that people can get to know us better and plug us into the things that are meant for us, whether it's learning or transformation or community or contribution or lab building or whatever. So something's happening.

00:54:46

Mariko Pitts: No, it's definitely happening. You're picking up on it. Too. Yeah. And that's amazing that you're. People are asking for the same things. You know, everybody's been waiting for this kind of stuff. I mean, it's like just where did they. Where's their. The level of where they're going with it. And I like what you're saying. It's like the dining hall. And that's kind of what I was thinking, just with the whole. In general, because we want players and bigger organizations to come in and really have their own space and their own communities still in the sovereignty. Because that's a big thing that we've always written about. It's like the sovereignty of everything. We're not absorbing anyone. This is literally for everyone to shine. And so you have to have your own sovereignty, individual sovereignty. Yet we're playing the same kind of field together. So it's all in the same dining hall and we're sharing resources. So part of the design has to have that living network that expands with everyone's individual, like, essence playing in the same field. Because even the resources are going to be shared amongst each other too. You know, we're all bringing it in, but we're all sharing with the bigger pot. Like, so that's like, you know, that's something that's really, I think, also a really important piece that was already designed in the original concept that, you know, Emmanuel envisioned when we said from the basic foundation of the infrastructure of what we have now, which was that we're not building this as an organization. Literally, we're building this as a movement. And the, you know, what we call the Holy Movement hubs is. Or the, you know, the non profits that are kind of holding funds around us are actually paying out contractors and doing different things because we don't fully own it. You know, everyone's holding different aspects of the Hola movement. And I think eventually those hubs will be defined like maybe technology or education or, you know, communication or they could just be. They're all holding core components of the movement itself. And so the model of it that it was originally built on, we want to see how that's going to thrive in a living network. Because that's the essence. That's actually the. The mock up of the design of the Holy Movement. A movement of movements was actually something that was our logo. It's like you got the center. This is where we are, and everything is the dine. That's the dining hall of this, which is the center of our logo. That's where everything comes together. Everyone connects at the. At the center. But everyone has the individual sovereignty. But we're all still connected in this ever huge hole of consciousness and you know, and all the projects that we're doing. So what's the center hall? What's that living network where everybody can commune and then from there are fueled to continue to doing the work that they're doing.

00:57:17

Hera Rose: Right.

00:57:18

Mariko Pitts: So that network has to be that. And it's very hard to describe that to people who are not in type of way of thinking of this. You get it. And I see the way because you're a geometric, your mind, I mean, you're damn alien too. So a lot of this stuff is like you get this, you know, because you're designing it too and then some. But it's like who you are. And I feel like when I say this stuff, you'll probably find a way to design something like this because that's exactly where your mentality, that's where you're at too. So we need to play bigger. We need to think about what this living network is going to look like and what is the, what does a build out event look like? Because I have a feeling, well, not just a feeling, I know we need to make a decision now on what we're building because I need something before the wave. And we know that because we cannot spend another multi hundred thousand dollar, you know, resources for an event and not have a place for this living network to thrive. It just hurts our reputation too. The more you say this is what a movement is doing and it's about radical collaboration and you don't have a damn network for people to play in. It's like we're wasting time trying to talk to people when we don't have a place to put people. You know, you can't walk your talk at that point, you know, so I'm done with that. You know, a lot of my frustration is like, look, we've been paying a lot of money to people who have been talking about what the whole movement is and thinking of what it is. And now that we've figured it out and we've got this magic, it's like it's time to integrate this and that's where integration is now. It's all about integration for people, for projects, for all of this stuff. It has to go into integration and then for all of us to actually start to play the bigger game here. So we can't play small anymore. And we had that time to figure it out, but now it's not, we can't do that anymore. Too many eyes are looking at us, you know what I mean? It's like rightfully so. They're like what are you guys up to? And they feel it. But then they're like, well you don't have any place to go. Okay, that's not gonna work. So we need to do it now. I need some cost. I think what would be good maybe James, if you have some time is to really kind of. We can meet weekly again or something like that. And I think it'll be good to bring Emmanuel Lauren to really just see for them to see. I gave them the assessment. I think they just. I know Laura just did one. She just did the assessment I think just so she can get an idea of like what's possible right now with based off of what we've already built. And that's a huge thing because that's leaps ahead of what boldly could even do based off of like what we already had and then what we could. Where it can go immediately, you know. And then we need to figure out like what those. What does phase one, phase two look like? Let's develop it and then let's start bringing people in, you know to test that thing, to really test that model out.

01:00:07

Hera Rose: I think the best.

01:00:08

Mariko Pitts: But it really has to be this engine of good. The circle on this engine of good, which is regenerative. The movement has to be self sustainable. When it comes to funding too. We have to start to move that and small donations and small. That kind of stuff is huge if you activate your community, which is what you want to do anyway. This is not the day of the sitting around talking about family offices and looking for one big funder to come in to support you. That's not what this is about. If it's a movement, it's about the people actually contributing anyway. Yeah, you know, it's like this is. Not about a bunch of conglomerates coming in and paying our family offices. It's about actually every individual playing their part. So we need to activate those small donations, those small. The regenerative purpose led economy now. And this is the way to do it. Yeah, yeah.

01:00:57

James Redenbaugh: How does Purpose Earth fit into things in your mind? Because.

01:01:03

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, well there are main non profit. They're the. So essentially if you think about it, because like I said, we're not an organization. Purpose Earth is our. We're the. They're our main fiscal sponsor as of now. Okay, so look at like the project is holo movement. The fiscal sponsor is basically running through Purpose Earth. It can also be a project. It is A project within, like Light Net. It's a project within, I think Unity Earth. At one point we're moving that out. You know, there's a couple other hubs international or just itp, but. Right. The foundation of the future. There's their foundation in Spain. It's a project of it, but we have multiple fiscal sponsors essentially. That's what the hubs essentially are doing. So if you look at it from that perspective, that's what it's doing. But because Purposer is also very aligned, it's, you know, it's built off the same kind of foundation, but as the kind of the whole movement in Emanuel and Laura's kind of their personal passion projects. It's a very big component. It's a very big component to it. You know, and it really brings a gravitas that brings a lot of that validation and amazing work that is happening in the world. So it's an extension of the whole movement. And now the Purpose Earth grantees, they're going to start to be moved, becoming. Holons in the whole movement. So they're gonna be really big component, you know, added components, because those are transformational projects that are going to be amazing in the movement.

01:02:36

James Redenbaugh: That's what I was thinking because it, like, I think it can do more to show the social proof of what's really happening in. In the movement of movements. And, you know, I'd love to see some of those projects on the globe, you know, and I'd love to see more people on the globe, around the globe, see what they're doing. Because I know it's right now it's showing just a little fraction of it.

01:02:59

Mariko Pitts: Can blow up once we. Yeah. When we start to add all the possibilities to it. Yeah, yeah. But. Yeah.

01:03:09

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we should really take this wave as this next wave, as the. The wave to rive the wave, to ride with this digital ecosystem and work backwards from there and. And see what. What can we achieve between now and then. To not only have something ready for people to jump into at the wave, but to have had people iterating and experimenting and working within and having experiences on the platform so that when people arrive at the wave, it's like, oh, you like, it's already a party that's going on. It's not a part.

01:03:50

Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah, exactly.

01:03:51

James Redenbaugh: Kicking off.

01:03:52

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:03:52

James Redenbaugh: You know, but then you get to kick off the whole next level of it. So a lot is possible between now and then. And it'll be here before we know it. Time's moving faster than ever.

01:04:06

Mariko Pitts: Oh, God, I know.

01:04:08

James Redenbaugh: So, yeah, I think the time is now. There's a lot that we can do. It is more time consuming than, like, simple page building, but I think it's. It's not the kind of costs that you were thinking about with the app. But yeah, I can put together. Because some things are so unpredictable and new. Like I told you, it took me five hours to figure out how to convert an SVG to a PNG the other day. And then other things are like instant, like, oh, there it is, it's done. But I can scope out some different possibilities or starting places, but I think that at this point it's really important to have meta conversations and design thinking, conversations about the ecosystem and like visual language building for. How are we thinking about Polons? How are we thinking about synergists or users or whatever we want to call them? How are we thinking about membership models and what incentivizes them to get into it and use it? And then we can start to weigh different options and see, like, does it make sense to make messaging work right away or does that go into the backlog or, you know, how do we start testing things right away so that we see what people are responding to and then. And then build on that rather than put a bunch of energy into building something for a long time before we actually start getting users in there. So.

01:05:49

Mariko Pitts: Right.

01:05:51

James Redenbaugh: I think we should start meeting more often and bringing people in the conversation and prototyping, you know, we can prototype so fast, so getting people, filling out assessments, you know, next I want to start building more, better profiles for the synergists that are already in the database so we can have better ways to see who's in there. And then we can get more people to create profiles and start using it and see what's valuable for them and add a message button and get people to like, have a conversation and then file a report or whatever we want to call it about the conversation so we can see what's coming out of that or, you know, things like that playing in the space.

01:06:36

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, absolutely. All right. This is fantastic. Get some costs for me together. I think that's what we just really kind of need. And then. Yeah, yeah. And then I think we probably, we should probably just do another call early next week to start prototyping, at least designing out and see if we can get. I might want to get Michael, Sean. I'm going to see because I think he might, we might pay him for a strategy and because I think we've already told him and he's already known about you and really expect our work on the website. He's totally, absolutely okay with us not going with the app but he definitely wants to support the movement and bring in his bigger players. And his mind, he's a genius too. So I think with him popping in and with him already kind of thinking about the engine for good, he can add a bigger component around that financial aspect piece that were just talking about of how that could possibly play and then we can help. He can help us prototype it. So him maybe Daniel Bellchamber who really helped with the original assessment for the app and everything else. You know, he's a developer maybe good to get his eyes on here manual Laura, we need to figure out our committee. I'm not open to bringing the whole core group in here. Not everybody is interested or even knows this. There needs to be a tight committee because this has gone out of hand with a bunch of people who don't know anything about technology and everybody's weighing in on something and it's like we don't have time for that. Okay. So I'm building a committee at this point so that it's very tight and we can move this forward. So why don't you just give me some cost of what it's going to take to get you paid to get this up and going and I would say what you know, I don't know exactly how you're going to base it off because a lot of you know, obviously throw in we know we need to know what software costs. I probably need to create our own whole movement airtable. I need to probably move it out of Likenet. I think we need to own it fully. So even the map is going directly to lightness profile. We probably need to migrate everything to ours so you know, maybe Harold we can, you guys can work together on the budget for what is a hard cost is ongoing hard cost. But I need to know like James's cost like so we could sign off and move these things forward because I already know Emmanuel Laura are excited about what we're already building, you know and I want to take it to the next level and I think this is the way to do it. It'll save them costs and it's just going to be exactly the energy and the vibe and probably even more so what I was looking for that we could even picture it now. Yeah.

01:09:09

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. It's funny every time I fill out the assessment to test says I should connect with Michael so is.

01:09:21

Mariko Pitts: I think you two are going to. Get along real well then.

01:09:23

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And when I got married. When Emily and I got married, her last name is Bulak and my last name is Redenbach. We combine them and we're becoming. Bolden is our last name.

01:09:36

Mariko Pitts: Great. So good.

01:09:39

James Redenbaugh: So, yeah. Definitely feels like there's. There's synergy there.

01:09:44

Mariko Pitts: This is fantastic. Okay. This is good.

01:09:47

Hera Rose: I'm so excited because, like, I mean, James, you know how Americo thinks, right? And you know how, like, you already know. You're already part of the. Of the team for so long, like, you understand what we've been working on and so forth.

01:09:59

Mariko Pitts: And.

01:10:01

Hera Rose: Yeah, I. And there's, like, this. There's this guy, Richard Rudd, who says that the world would look so different by October 27th. So they say. They said, don't make any big decision.

01:10:12

Mariko Pitts: Till then because, like, you know, there's.

01:10:14

Hera Rose: The dissolution of old structures, you know, birth of a future human and so on and so forth.

01:10:19

Mariko Pitts: And it's.

01:10:19

Hera Rose: It's true for the human as it is for, like, technology.

01:10:22

Mariko Pitts: And what's.

01:10:23

Hera Rose: What I like about this is it has room to flourish with us because it's like, you're not. You're not stuck with just one type of. You know, this one is like a growing animal.

01:10:35

Mariko Pitts: Like, it's.

01:10:36

Hera Rose: It's a creature that will. Why do I. Why do I say creature? Let's just use your original metaphor, which is the home. Because I feel like it's. We're definitely, like, creating the right foundations. We need to create the right foundations for a home where we're building right now. And as people come in, they'll choose which rooms they want to be part of.

01:10:54

Mariko Pitts: They will.

01:10:55

Hera Rose: They want to. They want to stay. And eventually, as more people come, we need to make renovations and another renovation.

01:11:00

Mariko Pitts: And so until the.

01:11:01

Hera Rose: Yeah. Until we can't count how many floors there are in this house. So, yeah, we have to have a system that's going to allow. We need to have a tech that's gonna. Tech stack that's going to allow for that.

01:11:12

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, Yeah.

01:11:12

James Redenbaugh: I. I love Richard Red. And I'd love to build Gen Keys into the profiles that be.

01:11:19

Mariko Pitts: That would be awesome, actually. Yeah, we have a. He's on our. He's on our purpose lab. I believe we do have a connection with Richard, so.

01:11:26

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I saw that.

01:11:27

Mariko Pitts: We could probably talk about that. We could probably talk about that at some point. All right, I gotta run because I. Got another call that I'm a little bit late for, but I One more. Thing that I was gonna say. I know, I know. I'm like, I gotta bounce over there. Oh, one thing I was wondering, James, could you actually. I would love to see just a little video of you talking through the lounge area. I'd love to see that again. You know, if you just do a. Quick like screen video of it. I'd love to show Emmanuel and Laura like actually these cool ass lounges because we. It just shows the next level for our digital like you know, gatherings of. What we can do. What your technology, this is your stuff that you built too, which is so incredible. And I just want to show them like where you're at and how just so enhanced that this is. It's just like incredible.

01:12:14

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I gotta make a video with testing it with actual other people because every time I do it's like eight versions of myself in there. But it's really cool with like 8 to have real people in there. So I'll see if I can bring some friends together for that.

01:12:31

Mariko Pitts: Even if it's just you in there, one room sitting there. It's just the idea of like seeing the space itself. Yeah, yeah, the cats, you got three there, that's four. Yeah, maybe Emily will join us. But yeah, just to show the space and the video moving behind it just shows the up level, you know, aspect. Of it and Were you using zoom or something? What were you. How do they, how does it plug in?

01:12:53

James Redenbaugh: It's an open source video back end.

01:12:56

Hera Rose: Yeah.

01:12:56

James Redenbaugh: So.

01:12:57

Mariko Pitts: Okay, okay.

01:12:58

James Redenbaugh: And then it does the video processing in the back end.

01:13:03

Mariko Pitts: Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay. Yeah, cool.

01:13:06

Hera Rose: I think like I mentioned that, and I also mentioned that in the call this week because like in my mind one of the easiest things we could pull off is just do those weekly lounges and get people excited about like how different each room looks like depending on what the session is. Like say for example, Jill wants to do a. Or maybe we could change the background to a library or like somebody wants to do a meditation, a bonfire retreat. Then we could do like a bonfire or something.

01:13:30

Mariko Pitts: But yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like those are amazing things that no one's doing that we can integrate and bring games work into and it'd just be incredible because we do online, you know, hangouts and things like that and people definitely want to come into spaces like that. That's, that's way better than a zoom.

01:13:49

James Redenbaugh: You know, I haven't figured out how to get AI into the daily co meetings, but that would be really Cool. If we want that to.

01:13:59

Mariko Pitts: It would be good to have one. Of our note takers at least.

01:14:02

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I don't know. We need three.

01:14:04

Mariko Pitts: They can't have a seat, but I. Don'T know about that. I don't know. All right, I gotta run, though.

01:14:08

James Redenbaugh: Okay.

01:14:09

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

01:14:10

Hera Rose: Why don't we get James to also record through a walkthrough of the. Of the assessment, too, so that Lauren Emanuel could also just watch it. And then from there, maybe you. You could also provide us, like, suggest a really nice roadmap that integrates all these solutions that we've talked about so that we could show how we. I mean, we could already initially map out some initial steps, and of course, like, Maro could refine it based on what you feel is the right best step, first step, and the next ones for us. And then we can take it from there because.

01:14:43

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah. We definitely want a roadmap, I think, but I think we. Maybe we have a separate call, maybe even Monday, if you're open. We could start with the roadmap. We. That's what we're talking about, a creative design. We need to design it and just say, okay, from here to here. This is where it takes you. This is what we want to do. This is what we already have in place. Where does that need to expand? What are some new aspects? What's before the paywall? What's after the paywall? You know what? And then. Then that defines what the roadmap is for phase one. Then phase two is like, okay, and. Then we can look at that, and. Then we can figure out the dollar. And the cost for that. All right, I gotta go. Love you both. This is amazing. I'm so excited. All right, bye.