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Mariko Pitts: Hi.

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James Redenbaugh: Hey, guys.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, Maro is still not here. I'm still. Oh, yeah, she's here. Finally. Oh, my goodness.

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Mariko Pitts: Yay.

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James Redenbaugh: Howdy.

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Mariko Pitts: Hey, sorry about that, you guys. How's it going?

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James Redenbaugh: No problem. Going well.

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Mariko Pitts: Sunday.

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James Redenbaugh: Happy.

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Hera Rose: We're so excited.

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Mariko Pitts: What did I miss? What have you guys been chatting about? Catch me up.

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Hera Rose: Well, actually, not much because. Not much because I took it as a sign to take a quick bio break when you said you're gonna be late.

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Mariko Pitts: So I told.

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Hera Rose: Oh, give me a moment.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay, good. All right, so we haven't dumped in anything yet.

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Hera Rose: Okay, perfect.

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James Redenbaugh: No problem.

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Mariko Pitts: Great. Well, shoot. I'm so glad we're together because there's so much going on and I guess we haven't caught up on the last. We've talked and. So Wait, is there a prototype or is. What. What am I missing something that was developed? Some thoughts based on the last conversation.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, there's. There's no working prototype yet. I'm working on it, but I wanted to. I've done some deep dives into possible functionalities, and we talked about a number of possibilities on the last call, and I feel like in my mind the possibilities have multiplied. So I'm hoping that we can get kind of focus in. You guys can help me focus in and. And see what MVP style is going to be most. Most valuable to deliver, and then we can make it happen.

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Mariko Pitts: All right, sounds good. All right, let me see.

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James Redenbaugh: So, yeah, I'd love to hear from you guys first. Like, what. What's your sense of. Of most desirable functionality in the. In the community? What are we calling them? Impact. Impactors? Partners.

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Mariko Pitts: The synergist ones. The synergist with. Yeah, yeah, because you've got alliances, ambassadors, hold ons. Just. I mean, they're. They're all ambassadors, but then they're all in different, you know, kind of segments depending on how they applied. Right. So whether in organizational, but you can be an ambassador as an individual, yet you still also can be in alliance, depending on, you know, how you're together. You can be an ambassador, yet you can still be in a group of three or more as a. Hold on. You know, so I always think it just. Or an ambassador is essentially we just call everybody synergists, you know, that are just really saying yes to the principles and yes to, like, positive impact in the world and wanting to do it under the umbrella and the resource and the network together. Right. So, yeah, I mean, I would say that this last week, actually, I had another call with a group who has built an app called Michael, Sean and Alex. I can't remember the last name, but they built that app boldly. Boldly. You. I think they're very big in transformation. They build software and transformational events and experiences. They've led retreats and design. They're experienced designers as well, but also are now, like, went into software. And so they've built some apps and things like that. But one of the things I talked about with them was more of, like, where the holy movement is and this map, this impact map that we created right on the website. And I was saying, hey, you know, we looked at Hilo and this is the other thing a lot of us on the team said, you know what? Screw Hilo. It's just not working. The base, the basic stuff of, like, chat functionality and the scrolling chat isn't what our group wants. And we had to be real. It's like. Like they don't want that. They want to connect with other alliances. They want to connect with another with a whole line that says, hey, I am aligned and we're accepting new members into our home line. How do I get in touch with them? They want to connect with the, you know, the Bruce Liptons that are in our network and say, hey, send a message and say, hey, I'm so interested what's going on? Like, how can I help? Or, you know, this is the network. So it's more, from what we're hearing, is not that it's. It's not that it's just to chat. It's actually to connect to the ecosystem and those that. And see the players that are in the ecosystem. Right. And to be able to join. Right. So if I say I'm a Holon and I can, you know, in our. Right now, our application doesn't say, hey, I am actively seeking new members or I'm not. This is a closed group or whatnot. And if I say I am, there's. I would love for that to basically extend to how to get in touch or how to apply or whatever it is that Holon wants to do. You know, it's like a connection point. You connect them. So how do we. It's like, well, how do we do that? And that's what people want. They want to see this ecosystem growing where it's not just general connection, it's actually strategically connecting them for a reason. They're. It's all purposely designed to connect them for a reason. Like, so that was the big thing. I would say that we also decided that, you know, community activations is a big quadrant for us. There's like four quadrants that we're really focusing on in the holy movement. And one of them is community activations. And that's where events and everything, events in person, online. This is where you know, your magnet from, you know, our social media stories and impact storytelling. Obviously that's the magnet that grabs you and then all of a sudden you're coming to us. Right. So that's the first door. A lot of people see it's coming through social media, through word of mouth, whatever. But they come to the website and then there's essentially what do I do next? And usually it's through one of our activation places. So like it could be the wave, it could be the ripple effect, which is an online monthly engagement. We decided and because of the learning that more people want to be connected to more of us, they want to be in connection with like minded people. They want to see you, they want to talk to you. They don't want to just the chat box is very dry and cold and they wanted that they can do that on Facebook. And generally they're only doing it on Facebook with people that they actually know anyway. So you're talking about bringing strangers together who are like minded in purpose, you know, in collective purpose or even, you know, but at the same time, the only way to facilitate trust and respect is actually in type of an engagement setting. So either online or physical. Right. So I feel you, I trust you now I want to work more closely with you know, I want to be your friend. So the only way we're doing that really essentially is amping up more of our online community activations. So we're looking at like core members and ambassadors going to be hosting like lounges, weekly lounges with different thematic elements like writers groups and you know, there's miracle clubs to talk about amazing stories of healing. There's all kinds of different groups that are going to be forming that a lot of the core members and ambassadors really do well. Like scientists for each other talking about the science. Maybe we'll keep in a do one. Maybe there's a sound healing with like Kristen Hoffman, a live one. You know, there's all kind of different things that are, that we're going to be.

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James Redenbaugh: I was just hanging out with her the other day.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh really?

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James Redenbaugh: Like physically in the flesh? Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: What? That's amazing.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Brian Russo, you know Brian?

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: He was like, do you know Michael Green? And I was. He illustrated these illustrated roomy books and I was like, yeah, it's my favorite book. I just ordered 20 copies of it the day before to give out to people at my wedding. And he was like, you should go to this dinner. And I was like, okay. It was like an hour away at his place. I didn't even know he was nearby. And I go there and Ben Bowler's there and Kristin Hoffman and a bunch of other Sufi folks. We were doing Sufi.

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Mariko Pitts: What? Wait, where were you guys?

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James Redenbaugh: It was wild. He lives like an hour outside of Philadelphia.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, what? That's so cool.

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James Redenbaugh: He's built a whole mosque out there and he's got this huge art barn with all this sacred art and stuff. And Kirsten did her.

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Mariko Pitts: Did you see him? Did you meet him at the music or was this before?

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James Redenbaugh: No, I. I hadn't met anyone there except Ben Balor, like, goodness years ago. And Brian wasn't even there. He was just like, you should just show up, they'll love you.

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Mariko Pitts: I was like, okay, that's crazy. Well, that's so funny. I was just looking at Ben Bowler, some photos of him. He's all over the state. So that's really funny. Wow. All right. Well, that's interesting. What a connection. A little side. Wow, that's crazy.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: You hear what I'm saying? So we're going to do lessons, we're going to do more, you know, actual engagements for deepening connection. So it's not just the community. The community activation piece is actually more strategic to deepening relationships and to bringing people face to face more in that like minded community to strengthen trust. Okay, so to do that and then that'll grow, right? People are going to come in different ways, but essentially from there, how do you integrate? Once you come into our community and our ecosystem, the integration is one of the next quadrants that we're working on. And that's part of like, what are these ambassadors doing? What are the synergists doing? What else, you know, do they move into Purpose lab, which is another piece which helps them define their purpose where they are. So there's all kinds of different things that we're working on. Integration and integration is going to be the hardest part because. Because that's how you move from individual to then collective or action. You know what I mean? It's like that's the part that matters. It's actually from moving you into action, inspired action, and that's integration. So the integration piece is where we're as a team, really working on. But I do need this where the architecture aspects of supporting that integration. After I've met you, what do I do next and how do I continue to connect with you? So that's part of the scaffolding that this whole thing represents. It's not. It's a part of the, you know, the whole, like I said, scaffolding of what we put up next. It's like, okay, now I see you. The map. People love this map. They're like, oh, that's great. I want to be featured. Okay, great. And I can learn more about you. I want to learn more about the people in the community. I can see them all over the world. The next thing is like, oh, how do I. Oh, I see Kayla Rae in Canada. I would love to just send her a message, you know, oh, I'm very aligned. Oh, it sounds like she's in this hole on. And she's doing this type of work and, oh, and this person over here is cleaning the oceans. And I'm really much. I'm an environmental activist and I'm really interested in this, that, and so how do I connect them? So it's like that next level is the scaffolding. I'm talking about what we build out. Right. And it's not. I'm not integrating a social media at this point. We're going to keep it. I think when I bring it back up with this boldly now thing, I either I might take this where we can build the map. We can actually just build it and really bring it onto the app, because I can white label the app and I can get you access to that too. But the map, actually, we could build that in with the communications platform as well. Maybe it's not necessarily something we need to build on the website, but I do think that some type of basic communication to connect from our desktop version from the website is really important. But you could go deeper with an app. You could do a lot more with an app. Right. You know, but. But in some way, I still think that it might be valuable to have at least that phase two of like, oh, I like this Alyssa Turner woman in South Carolina, and I'd love to just send her a message or something, you know, strategically. You know what I mean?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Mariko Pitts: So, yeah, go ahead.

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James Redenbaugh: Cool. Yeah, so that's definitely along the lines of what I'm. I'm thinking I want to create something that doesn't require a login or registration, but is private and just doesn't, you know, make anyone be able to be contacted by any bot on the Internet. And so I'm thinking of just having a, a simple enough page that's password protected so the password can be set out to every ambassador synergist and then on that page they can see the map, they can see the directory and also easier to. To browse format of people and folks that are willing to be connected, willing to be contacted can have a button that says message me now or reach out and it just opens their email so you can email them directly. And then I, I love what you're saying about the events as well. I think that's super key. And we can set something up where folks, whether they're, whoever wants to be empowered to create these kind of events, can do so with a simple form and they can show up on the website on this page in an easy way. So I can see, oh, this thing is happening every Wednesday. This thing's coming up. I can sign up for it here's a little button to add it to my calendar and I'll get an invite with the zoom link and make it really easy.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: So, and then you know, it'd be easy. Easy enough to add another layer of these holons to make these groups a little more visible and give each one of them a home. We could even just make a post type on the website of group or holon, whatever we want to call it. And then the ambassador slash synergists that are in that group would show up on that page and their regular meeting time would show up on that page and they could see everybody in a circle and you know, it would kind of all be there and the groups that, you know, there could be a group sections on this internal community page where we can see the different groups and who's in what group and kind of like an ongoing conference of connectivity. Here are the people, here are these different breakouts I could jump into. I can do this thing. it's all right here. And all of that is pretty low tech. We don't need a membership, we don't need a sign up, we don't need to integrate some complicated paywall solution or something like that to make it work. You just need a password and then it's all there automatically. I'm, you know, I have hesitations about any kind of app because we are all in too many apps already, you know. And you know, and I worry the what we all experience with hi low would we just experience that same thing on another. On another thing? I actually still think it's a good idea to just have a. WhatsApp group with everybody in there and not like invite everybody to post whatever butterfly they see today in this group. Because we're all in too many of those.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: And, and not everybody would need to be in that group, but it's just another medium that people might be more likely to check than email to remind them, oh, this event is happening next tweet. There's a website you can go to see this stuff happening. There's an aliveness here just to get people onto that page and actually using it. Because otherwise, you know, two weeks go by, nobody's going to remember to go back to some web page and see what's on there, see who, what new synergists are in the directory now, you know.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Okay. And how would, how do you think if we don't use an app, how would the website, functionality of the connection, all that be on mobile?

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James Redenbaugh: On mobile work the same way. So we just make the pages responsive. We can see the map, we can see the directory, I can see who's in there. Potentially we could even introduce the search functionality. And yeah, you can see the whole lines, see the events, all of that. You just enter the password on the home page. We make it something easy to remember and folks have access in the same ways. And then like V2, there's other things I've been looking at like matching algorithm of like, you can ask a question, who in this community should I connect with next week? You know, or what Three people should get together and have a trialogue around this topic. And then I figured out how to take everybody's profile and run it through different AI agents to output those kind of things. But technically we should probably get people's explicit consent for that before we put them through an AI. I mean we're all getting put through every AI anyway, but it's just a good idea to avoid any upsets.

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Mariko Pitts: Okay.

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James Redenbaugh: But I have been figuring out how to do things like that.

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Hera Rose: Yeah, it's. Messaging has always been something tricky. It's like something so simple. But it's also right now, unless you're a giant. No, no app is really, you know, like adoption has been slow for other types of platform. WhatsApp, Messenger and, and Viber and WhatsApp and in Asia are very big. But in European countries, a lot of them I know have started using messenger apps that are more secured. So for me, it's like it. For me, the Easiest way we could do that without asking too much from our audience, from our community members for would be amazing because this point there's still. People are experiencing platform fatigue even when with WhatsApp groups, for example. Yeah, you're right. Your observation is right James, about not allowing people just post anything like the butterflies that they see every day. Because that's kind of like what were going through as soon as we opened the WhatsApp group. So I think this is the reason why we've been, we've really been trying to get as much feedback as we can to know what people want. And, and yeah, everybody does want to connect. Everybody does get curious about other members of the community and other people definitely would want to message people. Some people every now and then once they see once that spark of inspiration hits them and yeah, that's kind of like one what we want to focus on and it doesn't. You're right. Like there's, we definitely have to start low, like low tech. There's lots of tools that are available for us so anything that's going to help us start but like lean and efficient would amazing. And we could always improve it as we get more feedback on additional features and so on and so forth.

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James Redenbaugh: We can also be like how would. We could ask every person how would you like to be contacted? And then they put in that desired form of communication, whether it's Signal WhatsApp email and then whatever they've put in will show up as a button on their profile. So maybe I don't want to be contacted on email, but you can send me a signal thing here or I don't want to share my phone number, but you can email me here and then the email icon will show up on my profile and folks know that they can email me or you know, or maybe I'll put up all three. I'm really available and they're. And they're all there. And then maybe there's not a global WhatsApp group for everybody or maybe that group is just one way but if there is a smaller hole on around sound healing or something like that, Maybe that's where WhatsApp gets leveraged because everybody has it and if it's a smaller group, you know, it's not going to be a bunch of spam posts and it'll help get these little reminders out about what's going on and also bringing people back to the pages. So if we have a page for a whole on for a group where Folks can see each other, see the events. You know, admins can share relevant things to that page as well if we want. Then we have a, you know, this low tech, easy to access place that shows all the connectivity and then when new people come into that, they see all that there as well and it feels alive and it feels like, okay, something's happening here and it's not just like another platform where I have to figure it out or another like big WhatsApp group where I'm never going to scroll back and see what was happening there.

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Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

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Hera Rose: Another thing that I also remembered is one of the feedbacks that we've had with one of the chat groups when I was like trying to bring people to this chat group was one person told me that I'm not on WhatsApp anymore because I used to be part of this WhatsApp group. And all of a sudden this weird person started messaging me, won't stop messaging me. So that person decided to just uninstall WhatsApp and not. Yeah. Yeah, so that's so at this point because, yeah, because we are, especially when we have, when we hold our WAVE events, so many people meet each other, right? And people get excited and there are people who really get so excited they would randomly like, they would. I like when I was in Wave, for example, I had people like, I mean, approach me every single day to ask me for my Facebook, my email, my everything. So I, and it's fine. But there are people who might, may not want to do that or there they may be people who are not comfortable to give everything yet. Maybe like, oh, connect with me on LinkedIn but don't mess with me. Everybody on LinkedIn like those kinds of things. Like for example, for me personally I read, I mean when we are on WhatsApp, all our personal numbers are there. So I, I would be nice to have a version that doesn't show our personal numbers right away and maybe has a feature where the person can approve if they would love to be introduced with this person because that also adds, you know, that, that knowing I, I think like our members would appreciate that we took this, we took their feedback too hard and then we took this extra layer of security to address this aspect. Or like for a lot of people that may be something that they haven't even thought about, but that could be an issue especially when there are other people who don't really have boundaries, you know, crossing that and it's kind of.

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James Redenbaugh: Like happened and that's totally possible on webflow. It just requires something like Member Stack which would require people to create an account and then we can build in things like messaging features into that. But it essentially makes the, you know, it turns the website into an app so people will have to log in to see those messages or you know, they can get notifications to their email. Somebody has messaged you on Hollow Movement, but then you have to go log in and check it and there's, you know, more of an upfront cost to set it up, but does open up a lot of possibilities once we take that step to do the membership layer and then we can do, you know, comments on posts and private profiles and private groups and different kinds of access and then even, you know, if eventually you wanted to do paid membership or paid courses or things like that would just be a matter of turning that on basically.

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Hera Rose: Quick question. Last time we talked you mentioned you were doing some tests and maybe you're, and you're interested to get on a call to demo some stuff. I'm, I, I, I assumed that this were about tools that you were studying. So I'm wondering if you encountered some best practices that you think would be really cool to have when we implement something like this and if you could show us what looked interesting so far.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I had a cool demo working and then it totally broke.

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Hera Rose: Oh my goodness.

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James Redenbaugh: And then trying to fix it as happened. Okay, that's okay. Yeah. I've got Claude helping me figure out what went wrong and I didn't have a saved working version of it but I can show you guys that in a couple of days. But it's really helpful to just check in and align on what's going to be most needed here and what do we need to do to make it happen. And so it sounds like no matter what, this internal page is going to be important where folks who are kind of on the inside can see each other and connect in some way. Whether it's folks sharing their contact with the group or we find a way to like request to share. I can also think of a, a way for folks to be contacted without giving away their email address and phone number and without needing to add that membership layer. There's automations we could do where folks, they put their email address in and then the system sends them an email and so folks could message them right on the site. A little form comes up and says, you know, I want to reach out to Mariko. I think she's really cool. I'm Jeff and you know, I put in my name and my message and that goes to Mariko and then she gets it from the website, but with the email that I shared and she can choose to reply right to me. Yeah, I actually, that'd actually be pretty easy. I know how we would do that.

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Hera Rose: Yeah. Because that's happened. That's the same way we connected with community members back then. So there's this fellowship called On Deck Community that's based in San Francisco. And all of us, this happened in the middle of the pandemic. All of I and I, I that was also in a site that it was built on, webflow. Back then, everybody was there. There's like more than. There's like tens of thousands of us and there's a full directory of everybody who's there. That being said, we don't have a chat bot. We don't have a chat box inside, but we have a really big directory of all the members there. And at one point it reached 10,000. So that being said, people could access. So people could create their profile. Like really short profile shows them what they're working on. A short paragraph of what they're working on, then tags. They they. They add like categories about what they're working on or we. Or if they're interested to invest or whether they're start a startup, an investor if they're interested to fund or invest in startups or if they're interested to raise funding. So from there you could see already like the matching how they're trying to. How this could match people. And then people really use this. This is like one of the best use cases of. Of this kind of feature because people literally use the directory every day. Because people have been raising funding nonstop during the pandemic. So whether. And. And this is global. So you could also see people. You could also filter people based on regions. Are they from Southeast Asia? Are they from, you know, east Greater. Are they from. From. From East Asia or Southeast Asia? Are they from. From Mena? Are they from, you know, North America, Europe? And then once that person you, once that person allows messaging. Well actually by default everybody can message can request to message or request to be introduced. So request to be introduced. And then exactly like what you said. When, when you click request to be introduced the system a pop up comes up. Then the system automatically tags the like if I requested to be introduced to you, James, for example, a pop up will appear on screen and then the system will link my profile so that when you receive my email you could get a blurb, a bit of about my profile and then you could click it so that you can be redirected back to our. Because both you and I are inside this, this community. So we could access each other's profile. You could choose to click that if you want to check my profile. Like what we use what we would do when we're not in the same in that fellowship and we would just check somebody's LinkedIn. So essentially like that. But this one is in that same community and then you'll get a. You'll. So now that answers the question who is this person who's trying to message me? And then below that there's a short blurb of what I wanted to say. Like hey James, saw that we have similar interests and that you mentioned that you're interested to invest in startups that are in the biotech space. I'm working on this platform, would love to meet up for like 15 minutes. So you could, I could show you what I'm working on and maybe you could give me pitch advice, something like that. And then there's two buttons. Actually it's not buttons, there's two links. Would you like to meet this person? Yes. No. And when that person clicks yes, it automatically creates, it automatically opens a reply to email. That's what happened. I reply to email and then that person in the copy field, the person's email and the system, the fellowship's email, just so they as a default is. Is already in the copy in the CC field. So like say for us for example, it could be like when it opens a reply, maybe it's hello at Hollow Movement. And then that person's email is already in the reply section. So that if you want.

00:33:01

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, that's what happens.

00:33:03

Hera Rose: So that could be like an easy version. And mar. Like that really worked so well. But I'm not sure how. But I. That was a community though a bit of a caveat. That community is like hungry for connections. Like we people have been in like really strict startup building slash fundraising mode. So when you're in the startup phase and it's a fellowship, so it's like a three month incubator where people are working on ideas. We would have like, we're just so hungry to meet people, learn from people. Like we do pitch practices every single day and so on and so forth. So yeah, we can tailor it based on our community too but I feel like it doesn't have to be, but yeah, but I'd love to know what your thoughts are first. But that one lived in the web app. It, we don't even use that in our phone.

00:33:57

James Redenbaugh: But I, but you had to log in.

00:34:01

Hera Rose: Yeah, we did have to log in because so there. It's a, it's a fellowship. That one is just a three month fellowship and people always say that the Slack group and that directory alone is worth way more than what we paid for. So I think like we paid for those who are not under a scholarship. It's like $5,000 for that fellowship. But yeah, they boast of like this really amazing Slack group with all the people that you need to talk with if you want to grow your business. And then that directory.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah I think you know that the simply here's somebody I want to contact pop up, comes up, send them a message. They get the message and all they have to do is reply and I get it back in my email. That's easy enough. One, one hurdle I've been trying to figure out is how to let people update their profiles when we don't have a profile system on the site so that, you know, I can't just update anyone's profile, but I could update mine. And the solution that I came to, part of what I wanted to demo before it broke was that people's profile would have a private URL that they would get by email. So I make a email and then I have a profile page, but that page isn't visible. People can see my profile on the public page, but I have a page that's a random number and then I can go there and then if I update my profile there, I don't need to log in or anything but I can change my thing there and maybe I could request, you know, if I forget that number, I can request for that to be sent to me again and then I go there and then same for alliances and you know, and partners. If I want to update my partner profile, we could do it that way. Of course a more secure way would be to actually have a membership layer where I need to log in and have a password and then I can update profile that way. That's just a lot more development intensive. But that would be a nice feature because we don't only want to have our profile up there be static, but we want, we would ideally want it to be able to evolve as I expand what I'm doing or my organization grows or we add new fields and features to the website. I'd love to be able to update those. So that's a big thing we have to figure out.

00:37:01

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:37:02

Hera Rose: Yeah. Another thing that. Yeah, just quickly. Another thing that's also very important to our current members is how we can group them together in a way that really feels natural to them because we're slowly getting really active Holons. At the same time, we're having really amazing projects that are already in the works that they have been part of us. So it's. It will be nice to kind of like bring them together, like unify them in one umbrella. Like say maybe the Asheville Holons have been super active. I think it would be nice to. Because like were talking. Marco and I were talking about this in. In. In high. About Hilo and also WhatsApp.

00:37:45

Mariko Pitts: Hilo.

00:37:47

Hera Rose: According to the Hilo group, they didn't want. They didn't design it to be scrollable. So from the start we're kind of like figuring how it would look, you know, how it'd be fun to use for our members. Because if you created kind of like Slack where every group looks like just one line at the. At the sidebar, then there's. You're not really taking them on a journey. And especially in a. In a ui. In a UI that's like. In a UX that's like that. That's designed to be scrolled because there are no. There are no. Everybody's like, you know, each. When you create a hole on. Or if you create. If you need to create a group, everybody looks. It just looks like one line item at the sidebar and everything. And after that, to your right, everything just looks like a scrollable field, a scrollable feed. So it doesn't even make sense that you don't want. I don't want to build it to be scrollable because the main driver of exposure experience is scrolling for something like this. So I'm thinking I. That would be re. I'm just mar. Let me know what you think about it. Because right now, for example, people come to a ripple events that happens monthly. Then we have a monthly meditation. We also have. And now we're about to start the weekly meetings, like themed meetings. So I think once we get that started in a October, people will start especially these are recurring weekly events. We will slowly start building like circles around these topics and it would be nice to have a place where they could all hang out after these weekly sessions where they could interact safely with the right Permissions in place. And, and I think another good use for it is just so that people know what's happening within the community. Because right now we're posting everything on Instagram. But I think if the way we group people together also kinds of inform current and new members that these events, these represent events that are happening regularly. And if you want to add this event in your calendar, click this button. And then when you open that community, these are all the people who attend these weekly events. And I could be you. I'm just like thinking I could be members of all these different events happening weekly. And maybe the person who's in charge of this weekly event is going to be in charge of moderating this because that's their own space. Like I could imagine, like say for example, Susan let me know mar what you think about it. If Susan is moderating the Miracle Club, then I could imagine that she could have a Miracle Club group within this community. And she's the one moderating everybody within the community, making sure that this person has attended the Miracle Club and intent and intends to attend the Miracle Club and contribute as a good member of the community to this subgroup. Because I, I, we don't, we wouldn't want people who's just there to lurk. We want people who will be, you know, who would give value to what we're trying to build together.

00:40:58

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:40:59

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I think so. Okay. There's a lot kind of passed around. I'm just kind of thinking through some stuff I'm trying also trying to figure out.

00:41:08

Hera Rose: I really feel that this is gonna be the start of the whole movement platform Miracle.

00:41:15

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I know. I'm trying to figure out the comp, you know, because there's so much to it and where it can go. So the end, you know, it's good to know the end vision and what we want and that makes sense. Like different groups that are all communicating. There's going to be essentially whole on groups that are forming from any of the lounges. And that's what happens with community engagement. Then the group wants to form, you know, and so, but where did you have the umbrella? Is what the website? You know, I'm also thinking, is there a reason why we don't want to have a membership based platform where people actually give their information, put a password in. And we did this once way back and I just went to their, to the page. It was holomum.netforward/holons basecamp. And we created a basecamp which was a login Kind of basic membership where they create an account, they got their own password, they plug into it, they log in and then we had Hilo embedded at the bottom. A bunch of Holon stuff. It was for Holons. And I'm thinking it might be good, but at the same time to have something like this that's behind the scenes. But I also want to see that. I like the idea of having there is an action component where you see there's a lot of engagement happening on the main page when you arrive. So I don't want all the action happening necessarily behind another wall, especially a password protected wall. But I also feel like that might be necessary to do some kind of password protection so that people can actually give us that information, change their profiles, that kind of thing, you know what I mean? So I find, because it's a pain in the ass and I think about it like our map, like people have to email us if they want to make a change to something, you know, or they just redo it again and then we find a duplicate, I guess, and then we get rid of the other duplicate. You know, I just, maybe that's the key right now with the current map. And I think that's fine too. As long as there's something in the system that can help with the automation of that. I think maybe. But anyway, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, is a wall, you know, having a behind a wall right now a bit more appropriate because remember, people are joining the Hilo, which is behind a wall. You know, everything is. That's behind a wall. I think we just need to figure out what's enticing enough on the main page to get them to go into creating a membership, to go behind the wall to see all the other activities that are going on. I think, I don't see that. The problem is that people creating an account to get into something that's enticing because we got a lot of people that are really excited. But then when they get there, it falls flat. So high, low is just so underwhelming. And they chose to do that way. So then when you get there you're like, I don't want to operate in here. This is dull. The looks like, you know, it's like brown sand, mud type look. And they intentionally chose those colors and it's like, I can't. Why I can't change the color. You know, it's like what the. Well then you're literally pushing your clientele away from utilizing it because it's now you're so anti other social medias that you've actually forgot that sexiness does work in a conscious way. You still need dopamine fixes because that's the humans need that, you know what I mean? So they've gone so anti against it that it's actually deterred people from using it more. So I need, you know what? I need people to come behind the wall. Okay, I just gave. I need people to come behind the wall and it still has to have the vibe and the excitability of what we've created and what our events are like and what it's like to be in a wave. That feeling and that vibe has to be very much like controlled by us. I can't go take people to high low anymore and just say, hey, oh, you just came from this incredible transformative event and your life has changed and then you fall apart to some really up like, you know, situation. Yeah, you know I like that now we're talking about you see what I'm saying?

00:45:07

Hera Rose: Like okay, I love it. Okay. While James is very cool, just quickly. James, James. What. What I want to also share is a best practice that I've seen so far from what we've done is the SCAD app. You know when in both events, in both wave events we used sked, right where everybody had to add their profile. I, I have been asked multiple times during Asheville if there's a functionality for us to message people because there are really people and I, and this applies to me when I attend like say for example World Economic Forum events. We would always be asked to download the WEF app and we are going to see where we could see all of the details from all of the attendees and people really take this seriously. Especially people who are hungry to connect, hungry to really learn more about people within their circle. WEF has a feature to message and I think like we didn't back in Asheville, but I think if we could take you from that and maybe get the best practices from that and add the feature that they're asking for maybe made then maybe that could be a good start. I don't mind sharing my profile, adding my populating my profile page in our private community as long as it's a private community. And I don't mind allowing people to message me as long as it's within a safe place. You could all store information and only interact with people we want inside. Yeah. Anyway, James, oh my goodness, I love this yeah.

00:46:39

James Redenbaugh: So this is a. I just opened five different instances of this to show you what it would look like to have five people in here. Six people. But this is just a page on a. On a website, and I have full control over how it displays. I put a video in the background so it's. You can actually see the sun kind of going behind a cloud.

00:47:04

Mariko Pitts: Actual video. Yeah, I see that.

00:47:06

James Redenbaugh: It's a live video. And this is always. Yeah. So, you know, we could have something like this all the time that automatically turns on if somebody goes on the page. So after a call enters, we can say, let's meet up in the practice space. Let's meet up in the wave room, or whatever. And then.

00:47:28

Hera Rose: Sorry, I got so excited. James, can I.

00:47:31

Mariko Pitts: Can I just share it?

00:47:32

Hera Rose: Just. Can you give me just 10 seconds? Maybe we could even do our weekly calls here. Like, imagine like, popping up in this page with their fa. With them talking like. Like a cute zoom call.

00:47:43

Mariko Pitts: Oh, absolutely. That's what I'm thinking. I just need to know more about it. So tell me more about this page. Like, what exactly is this?

00:47:49

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, it's. It. The back end is called Daily Video, which is just a video SDK. And then I figured out how to create the front end myself, so I've made it.

00:48:00

Hera Rose: Wow.

00:48:01

James Redenbaugh: Fully custom. You know, you can mute yourself and turn on and off your video like anything else. We can even build in live messaging functionality. I haven't figured that out yet, but the back end is there for it. And this is on a membership page. So I'm logged into the site so it knows that I'm James Radd. And so it has put my name there. But I. I've actually gotten to work even without membership, where you just have to enter your name and anybody who goes to the URL can just, you know, be in this room. And it's really cool because I like not just being in a grid. It brings the focus to the. To the group and the space we're in. And not just, you know, whatever anybody's background happens to be. And, you know, it's nice that it's always there. So if there's an alive community, we can always. You know, maybe I'll come in here and meditate. Maybe somebody else will join me in the. In the morning. They can come in and out. You can have a room that's just silent where there's no microphone anyway. And then also with things like, you know, if there was a membership layer, more things like this are possible. So if this is a Group a whole on. And let's say everybody in the group was asked these questions. It's a nice way to get to know the whole group because I can just click on a question and see everybody's answer together and really get to know them. And even, like, some of these questions were asked on Live Call.

00:49:46

Mariko Pitts: I think, unless audio.

00:49:51

Hera Rose: Or maybe you need to share your audio.

00:49:55

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, we can't hear you. James. No, can't hear you.

00:50:04

Hera Rose: Oh, James is still talking, I think. Okay.

00:50:13

Mariko Pitts: James, can you hear us? We can't hear you. We lost you.

00:50:26

Hera Rose: Well, this is cool.

00:50:27

Mariko Pitts: Oh, my goodness. Yes. Yeah, yeah, There you are. We lost you for the last like, minute or so minute and a half.

00:50:36

Hera Rose: While you were talking, but we couldn't hear anything.

00:50:40

James Redenbaugh: I was just saying that these. You're speaking of audio. Oh, it's probably because I played the audio on here. Okay.

00:50:48

Mariko Pitts: We're like, what happened?

00:50:51

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, some of these are. Oh, yeah, people share the song. So I can listen to the song on Spotify.

00:50:58

Mariko Pitts: Is this yours? This the one that you've been making?

00:51:00

James Redenbaugh: I built it.

00:51:02

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. This is your app, right? The one. Okay. I love it.

00:51:04

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:51:05

Hera Rose: This is like what we're trying to demo. Yeah, I love it.

00:51:10

James Redenbaugh: This is what we can do.

00:51:11

Hera Rose: I love it.

00:51:13

James Redenbaugh: You know, and people were asked these audio questions and then we can actually hear their responses. And it's just nice to have these added layers of intimacy. And I thought of these things and the kind of sexy features that get people to actually go to the. To the website.

00:51:30

Hera Rose: Oh, my God.

00:51:30

Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah. That's very cool. Wow. That's very cool. Okay, I'm really liking. When you're building. So this is sounding like. But okay, so how much of that is actually on the front end on the website, the homepage, and then how much is it carried over? Enticing enough to then take people into, I think like a login maybe. And I think that especially for those. For like a room, like the meditation room, you kind of really want people and deter from the bots and certain other things and weird stuff that can come in to have it behind a wall. You know what I mean?

00:52:10

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So, like, I. I figured out how to do both of these things on. Without protection. And with protection, you want it at least password protected. And that's easy enough.

00:52:28

Mariko Pitts: And how would we give them the password? Essentially? What would they have to do with.

00:52:33

James Redenbaugh: If they sign up for. They fill up the ambassador form. And then if they get approved. So you know the. When you. When you read them and say, like, yeah, this is a real person. I'm going to put them on the website. I would automate an email connected to that approval that would say, you know, welcome, your profile's online, here's the page and here's the password to get into it. And also, you know, if we have it, here's the page where you can edit your profile, things like that.

00:53:06

Hera Rose: Okay, but if they're giving us that much information already and we're also.

00:53:11

Mariko Pitts: Why don't we just do membership?

00:53:12

Hera Rose: Why don't we just create a, a profile like a member?

00:53:16

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I mean it's a different kind of form and we'll have to turn on the.

00:53:28

Hera Rose: But this one, we need a working back, like a full blown back end. That's what you're thinking.

00:53:34

James Redenbaugh: I mean it, you know, it's not like building a web app from scratch, but it is more involved than simple form automations. So we use Member Stack and it's a super capable platform. We also use Appseta as well. It's a slightly different one and essentially it turns webflow into a membership site. So people can create a profile, they create a password. If they forget their password, they just say, forget, email me a link. It handles all that automatically. And then we can build in features like messaging and commenting and things like that.

00:54:28

Mariko Pitts: And what's the negative to this cost a lot. What's the.

00:54:34

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's really, it's pretty affordable compared to like mighty Networks and things like that. It's largely dependent on how many members you have. You know, okay, 30 bucks a month and it's, you know, mostly free, so you don't even need to worry about transaction fees and stuff like that. So it's super cheap. It just would probably take at least a month to get it working. I'd say a month and a half since I have a wedding in three weeks.

00:55:23

Hera Rose: Oh my.

00:55:24

Mariko Pitts: Oh God. Coming up.

00:55:30

James Redenbaugh: It's crazy.

00:55:33

Mariko Pitts: Feeling good about it, by the way.

00:55:36

James Redenbaugh: So much, so much preparation. I just got these rings 3D printed. I'm really excited.

00:55:45

Mariko Pitts: Oh my goodness.

00:55:48

James Redenbaugh: I'm building like a wooden arch with 13 different woods from around the world. Portal. Check out these rings. These are so cool.

00:56:03

Mariko Pitts: Oh, those are awesome. The hell yeah.

00:56:07

Hera Rose: Oh my goodness.

00:56:08

Mariko Pitts: Oh, okay.

00:56:11

Hera Rose: Patterns.

00:56:13

Mariko Pitts: That's really cool.

00:56:15

James Redenbaugh: Wow.

00:56:18

Mariko Pitts: I love it.

00:56:21

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I just designed these in CAD and then had it 3D printed.

00:56:26

Mariko Pitts: Oh my God.

00:56:28

Hera Rose: When do you even hear a groom said, oh, I just had our rings Reprinted. I decided.

00:56:32

Mariko Pitts: I know.

00:56:36

James Redenbaugh: I know.

00:56:37

Mariko Pitts: What's the metal?

00:56:41

James Redenbaugh: One is silver. It's like solid silver. And the other are brass with gold plating. Do it in solid gold. It is really expensive.

00:56:53

Mariko Pitts: It's crazy. Oh, my God. Okay. 3D printed. Okay.

00:56:59

Hera Rose: I mean, this is why we all get along.

00:57:03

Mariko Pitts: So crazy. I love it. I love it. All right. Oh, this is great. Okay.

00:57:12

James Redenbaugh: It's. It's up to you guys. If you think that people will. Will use it and log in, then there's a lot of added benefits to the membership. And.

00:57:27

Mariko Pitts: Well, I think also it's not just for comms. Right. Like, one of the other things that we're going to be developing is like the whole movement action fund, micro grants that are going out to hold ons. And so there's applications. Where does that live? And then, you know, so it's another driving force where there's funds that drive people in to learn more about, you know, for us to learn more about their projects and things like that. Like, you probably do that behind the membership wall. It's just there's like other aspects to it is what I'm trying to think about, like, of how we build out. Like, you know, maybe eventually there's a little bit of a marketplace, you know, and things like that can happen for homes, for people who are synergists, things like that. So it's just more of like what else is developed behind a paywall, or not a paywall, but a membership wall that are more enticing to drive them, not just communication, you know what I mean? So it's the other things that are behind that also become more enticing to drive people into doing it. So I think we need to think that out because right now we're just thinking from the first layer, which was like, okay, how do we get these people to connect? But there are other aspects too, that are coming, you know, that will behind it that would still be more enticing to have people behind that wall.

00:58:42

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:58:43

Hera Rose: Do you still have a couple of minutes? Can I share something with you guys?

00:58:47

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I just, I gotta run in like a couple minutes max, so.

00:58:50

Hera Rose: Okay. Okay. Because one thing that this reminds me of, I. I mentioned to you just earlier, this community that I was part of in the middle of the pandemic. I was once. This was created by one of my cohort mates. I was once a host in this community. It's called Flow Club. Basically, it's a community for people who want to co work. So it's a co working platform to fight procrastination. You basically log in and then you get access to sessions that are happening every single day. They could either like one hour to 60 to 90 minute sessions and basically all that you do is like book that session. There's a limit to how many people could join that. And then when you're there, you basically just enter the room at the start of the time. Like if it's like say for example, this one 60 minute flow club at the start of 9am you're going to spend the first five minutes to share to each other what you're trying to accomplish for this hour. And then the room is going to be silent and there are the different themes. If it's a silent room, it's going to be a silent room. I was hosting Latin sessions so I would play Latin lo fi music when were working. And at the end of that session we'll have, we'll basically tell people what we've accomplished. When you're inside the session you can have a checklist. So it looks like this. Hold on, where is that? Okay, wait, wait. Where is. Okay, here. The room looks like this, so it looks like a, a cute zoom call. And then there's a timer and then there's a music. Like it shows you the type of music you're playing. Then there's your goals. Everybody enters their prior, their goals for the call. There's a chat and then a list of the people attending. And every single day that happens, every single hour, there's schedules from different parts of the world. There's, I was like the one of the, like, I think there are 10% of US hosts that are from Asia. So that accommodates people from Asia. But that being said, this is also built off of web flow and the only thing people do here is interact with each other every single day. So like if you haven't logged, one of the pages that are available to the public is a list, a directory of all the hosts. So, so you see who's hosting which sessions, if they're an alumni from Y Combinator, if they're an investor, you'll see their profile or like, you know, you'll see if there's a host, you could check the directory to see if they're hosts that have similar hobbies or interests with you. And then you could look for their session. And then there's also like a, there's also a schedule. You know, as a member, if you're not a member yet. You could still see this schedule so you know what's happening inside. And then it's a, it's. Yeah, they basically charge 20. I'm not 20 to $40 every month just for you to like. Yeah. To book these sessions. So like the reason I'm sharing this is because. And right now it looks. The reason I'm sharing this is this could also be our, you know how we're like do we're going to do weekly sessions with different people. I imagine that one when the time, you know, once we've reached that point where we could, where we have lots of people who are interested to do something maybe this could be. We could tailor it to something like this where every single day people could literally just volunteer their time and say I want to do a 60 minute music session. And there's so many people in this community who just wants to connect. We can maybe we could either have one session every day or like have multiple sessions like this every day depending on how active the community want to be. And the thing about this is it's simple and it's recurring. We don't have to have like so many features in the initial stage. It could be one simple thing that people could easily understand but they could do every single day. And I think like at this point people have been wanting to hang out, find a way to hang out somebody. I'm like, I'm just imagining like this kind of framework and then when they join the room it looks like the rooms you mentioned earlier. You shared earlier. James, that would be amazing.

01:03:20

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, awesome. Well, I think we should look at what it would take some. I can give you guys some options with members deck some options without just kind of sketch some possibilities. And then I think it's also looking at we're going to go the membership route. What would it look like to use a tool like Mighty Networks or Circle that has a ton of the social functionality already built in. We could customize it and tailor it to include our own things but have the backbone of this social platform that has the messaging, the posting, the sharing, the events and things like that already built in. So we're not recreating the wheel unnecessarily. So I can make a document for you guys and kind of out sketch the possibilities and see where to go from there.

01:04:23

Hera Rose: I like it when James say I'll make a document for you guys because I know your documents don't look nor like normal documents. It's like A web link. We like, we loved your. Your meeting recording the link that you sent us with your meeting notes. I was like, what is James using? Did he, like, create his own personal note taker?

01:04:46

Mariko Pitts: I know. I was like, this is awesome. My God.

01:04:50

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I'll send you the link for this one.

01:04:53

Mariko Pitts: I love it.

01:04:54

Hera Rose: Oh, thank you so much, James.

01:04:56

Mariko Pitts: This is so. Thank you. Yeah, Just let us know when we should get back together. When you got something and then. But let's keep it moving because it is definitely a priority. And then a lot of us really want to get something going. The other thing is, I do want to talk to you a little bit more about. I've been thinking a little bit more about med. This meditation thing that Paulette wants to do where it's like people can just put in their, like, what they need to pray for or request, and then people can see that. But it should be anonymous. I'm going to send you a little bit more about it. I've been trying to think about how we can do this in this, with the whole scheme of our whole website. But I'm going to. I'll write something up and send it to you. So it shouldn't be difficult to do, but it's just more of a. How does it fit in the whole realm of what we're building is what I'm trying to figure out yet. Okay. So. But I'll send you a little bit more about this. It's like more of a prayer request for people so we can. So our home and the Keeper of the Flame can basically visualize and see or feel like requests that are coming in for people to hold space for them. And it's not just that person. The Keeper of the Flame is for the community to be able to see kind of the request, but not also. I don't want it doom and gloom shit. I don't want this to be a big section that's kind of flashing through and it's like, you know what I mean? It's like, okay, what do we do? So I need to figure this out a little bit more and then figure out how this would kind of fit into the scheme of the whole website, you know, and everything else that we're building. So I've been actually holding off on this so I can figure out if this is something that might happen behind the wall where the people who are dedicated in the community could hold that. Rather than you come in, you got to get hit with that. You know what I mean? A bunch of different requests on what's happening in the field. You know what I mean? So it's different when you're saying yes to things and it's a. And it's behind the wall, rather than something that's in front and center, you know, like, oh, requesting space or things like that. I don't want that to be kind of public necessarily.

01:06:56

James Redenbaugh: Pray for my bitcoin portfolio.

01:06:58

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, right. Exactly. My crypto profile is looking a little glum right now, too. But you know what's new? I'm still up, like 400 in the year, actually, so I'm not really sure. All right, I gotta run. I really do gotta run. But let me. Let's. Let's get together soon. This is a really good call. So take all that in and see what you can. What you think. But I really like what you're putting together. I think that what you've already developed is going to be pretty cool.

01:07:26

Hera Rose: I saw that.

01:07:27

James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

01:07:28

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I'd love to help out and figure out that. Get that going.

01:07:33

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:07:33

Mariko Pitts: All right, James.

01:07:34

Hera Rose: Bye.

01:07:35

James Redenbaugh: All right.

01:07:36

Mariko Pitts: Happy weekend, you guys.

01:07:38

James Redenbaugh: Thank you. Ciao.

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