The team focused on creating extremely simple, abstract symbols for each innovation lab that function like logos (00:51). Wendy emphasized that while the underlying concepts are sacred and complex, the visual representations must be universally accessible and professional enough for documents used across diverse audiences, from early years teachers to government leaders.
The approach centers on spheres containing symbolic elements (07:00). Proposed symbols include a heart for nurture, a dove for peace, a vector equilibrium geometric form for leadership, and a honeycomb grid pattern for cities to convey living systems rather than just buildings. James had initially created more intricate, Indian-inspired designs but agreed to return to simpler forms that work as "the bud rather than the flower" (38:34).
The team resolved a technical issue causing the site to display in light mode instead of dark mode (02:00). This fix allowed Wendy to properly review the site's visual elements for the first time.
Cultural sensitivity and diversity emerged as critical considerations throughout the review. Wendy expressed concern about appearing to engage in "indigenous washing" with certain imagery (03:47), similar to greenwashing. The team agreed to balance imagery carefully, ensuring multi-ethnic and global representation across all lab pages.
James committed to using generative tools to diversify the hands imagery for the Peace Lab to ensure multiple ethnicities are represented (13:44). The team reviewed multiple hero images, favoring those showing contemporary, cutting-edge environments with natural ethnic diversity built in rather than token representation.
The resources section underwent significant simplification. The team decided to remove the resources page entirely for now, replacing it with a simple "coming soon" message, while most lab pages will feature only "express interest" calls to action (15:44). The Conscious Parenting Lab will be the exception, featuring an actual resource grid.
Wendy will provide shortened text versions for homepage descriptions, as the current longer versions don't work well in the condensed homepage layout (11:00). The About page was streamlined by removing the introductory section, going straight to team profiles (30:40).
[technology="Community Facilitation Tools"]
The Learning Lab received special attention as the first to launch with community features. Simon has been positioning it as a community of practice where participants—schools, academy trusts, and educational organizations—become co-creators in shaping educational futures rather than passive consumers of resources (19:35).
James proposed a pragmatic two-part solution for the community platform (24:00). First, a simple registration form collecting participant information, photos, and details. Second, a visual representation on the site showing community members, while actual communication happens through WhatsApp groups. This approach provides the visual sense of community without requiring complex platform features like those in Circle, Mighty Networks, or Hilo that wouldn't be necessary for the focused remit.
Wendy noted that high-level participants are being invited precisely because they're already working in alignment with Flourish Project's cutting-edge approach, making them natural collaborators rather than traditional customers (26:00).
The team began conceptualizing an innovative funding page that breaks from traditional pricing models (33:00). Wendy and Simon discussed using geometric visualization—possibly featuring the vector equilibrium again—to tell a narrative about resource flow through the system rather than simply listing costs.
The funding model incorporates a "give back" structure where organizations that can afford to pay fees help resource schools globally that cannot (27:00). The page will also acknowledge non-monetary contributions, such as university researchers and PhD students offering their time and expertise as part of the research ecosystem.
Wendy emphasized creating something that "confounds expectations" and makes "people's brains hurt" by approaching funding transparency from the inside out (35:30). The goal is to be radically open about sustainability needs while presenting it as an invitation to co-create rather than a traditional transaction.
The website is approaching readiness for sharing with key stakeholders. Wendy plans to present it at a meeting next month with high-level educational leaders Simon has engaged faster than expected (27:00). She acknowledged the unusual situation of operating from limited resources while engaging with presidents of countries like Iceland (39:20).
Once James completes the simplified symbols, Wendy will share the site with her broader team for review before the official launch. The temporary web link will allow stakeholder preview while final refinements continue.
The team expressed confidence that the site will "knock the socks off people" in education because it's unlike anything currently in the sector (14:13).
James Redenbaugh
Wendy Ellyatt
The team focused on creating extremely simple, abstract symbols for each innovation lab that function like logos (00:51). Wendy emphasized that while the underlying concepts are sacred and complex, the visual representations must be universally accessible and professional enough for documents used across diverse audiences, from early years teachers to government leaders.
The approach centers on spheres containing symbolic elements (07:00). Proposed symbols include a heart for nurture, a dove for peace, a vector equilibrium geometric form for leadership, and a honeycomb grid pattern for cities to convey living systems rather than just buildings. James had initially created more intricate, Indian-inspired designs but agreed to return to simpler forms that work as "the bud rather than the flower" (38:34).
The team resolved a technical issue causing the site to display in light mode instead of dark mode (02:00). This fix allowed Wendy to properly review the site's visual elements for the first time.
Cultural sensitivity and diversity emerged as critical considerations throughout the review. Wendy expressed concern about appearing to engage in "indigenous washing" with certain imagery (03:47), similar to greenwashing. The team agreed to balance imagery carefully, ensuring multi-ethnic and global representation across all lab pages.
James committed to using generative tools to diversify the hands imagery for the Peace Lab to ensure multiple ethnicities are represented (13:44). The team reviewed multiple hero images, favoring those showing contemporary, cutting-edge environments with natural ethnic diversity built in rather than token representation.
The resources section underwent significant simplification. The team decided to remove the resources page entirely for now, replacing it with a simple "coming soon" message, while most lab pages will feature only "express interest" calls to action (15:44). The Conscious Parenting Lab will be the exception, featuring an actual resource grid.
Wendy will provide shortened text versions for homepage descriptions, as the current longer versions don't work well in the condensed homepage layout (11:00). The About page was streamlined by removing the introductory section, going straight to team profiles (30:40).
[technology="Community Facilitation Tools"]
The Learning Lab received special attention as the first to launch with community features. Simon has been positioning it as a community of practice where participants—schools, academy trusts, and educational organizations—become co-creators in shaping educational futures rather than passive consumers of resources (19:35).
James proposed a pragmatic two-part solution for the community platform (24:00). First, a simple registration form collecting participant information, photos, and details. Second, a visual representation on the site showing community members, while actual communication happens through WhatsApp groups. This approach provides the visual sense of community without requiring complex platform features like those in Circle, Mighty Networks, or Hilo that wouldn't be necessary for the focused remit.
Wendy noted that high-level participants are being invited precisely because they're already working in alignment with Flourish Project's cutting-edge approach, making them natural collaborators rather than traditional customers (26:00).
The team began conceptualizing an innovative funding page that breaks from traditional pricing models (33:00). Wendy and Simon discussed using geometric visualization—possibly featuring the vector equilibrium again—to tell a narrative about resource flow through the system rather than simply listing costs.
The funding model incorporates a "give back" structure where organizations that can afford to pay fees help resource schools globally that cannot (27:00). The page will also acknowledge non-monetary contributions, such as university researchers and PhD students offering their time and expertise as part of the research ecosystem.
Wendy emphasized creating something that "confounds expectations" and makes "people's brains hurt" by approaching funding transparency from the inside out (35:30). The goal is to be radically open about sustainability needs while presenting it as an invitation to co-create rather than a traditional transaction.
The website is approaching readiness for sharing with key stakeholders. Wendy plans to present it at a meeting next month with high-level educational leaders Simon has engaged faster than expected (27:00). She acknowledged the unusual situation of operating from limited resources while engaging with presidents of countries like Iceland (39:20).
Once James completes the simplified symbols, Wendy will share the site with her broader team for review before the official launch. The temporary web link will allow stakeholder preview while final refinements continue.
The team expressed confidence that the site will "knock the socks off people" in education because it's unlike anything currently in the sector (14:13).
James Redenbaugh
Wendy Ellyatt
Create simple logo-like symbolic icons for all Innovation Labs using sphere designs
January 20, 2026
Design extremely simple, abstract symbols for each innovation lab that function like logos. Use spheres containing symbolic elements: heart for Nurture, dove for Peace, vector equilibrium for Leadership, honeycomb grid for Cities. Must be universally accessible and professional for diverse audiences from early years teachers to government leaders. Creating 'the bud rather than the flower' - simple forms rather than intricate designs. Complete and share iteratively today. Discussed at 00:51, 07:00, 38:34.
Fix typography consistency issues across different screen sizes
January 22, 2026
Address typography scaling and consistency problems visible across different screen sizes and resolutions. Ensure text displays properly in all viewport sizes. Mentioned at 06:51.
Improve hero image placement and resolution with better face positioning
January 22, 2026
Adjust hero image composition to move faces lower in the frame for better visual balance. Improve overall image resolution and placement. Discussed at 17:45.
Diversify Peace Lab hands imagery using generative tools for multi-ethnic representation
January 23, 2026
Use generative tools to create diverse hands imagery for the Peace Lab ensuring multiple ethnicities are represented. Avoid tokenism while ensuring genuine global representation. Discussed at 13:44.
Replace all lab page resource sections with 'express interest' forms except Learning Lab
January 24, 2026
Remove resource grids from most Innovation Lab pages, replacing with simple 'express interest' call-to-action forms. Exception: Conscious Parenting Lab will feature actual resource grid. Learning Lab gets special community platform treatment. Discussed at 15:44 and 18:28.
Design and implement community visualization system for Learning Lab linked to registration form
February 7, 2026
Create simple two-part solution: (1) registration form collecting participant information, photos, and details; (2) visual representation on site showing community members. Actual communication happens through WhatsApp groups rather than complex platform features. Provides visual sense of community without unnecessary platform complexity. Discussed at 24:00.
Send temporary domain link and web address for team preview
January 21, 2026
Share temporary web link with Wendy allowing stakeholder preview while final refinements continue. Enable broader team review before official launch. Discussed at 29:31.
Find alternative image for human capacities section representing early years focus
January 24, 2026
Replace current human capacities section image with one that better represents early years focus rather than current imagery. Ensure it aligns with the section's purpose. Discussed at 32:09.
Provide shortened text versions for homepage Innovation Lab descriptions
January 24, 2026
Current longer text versions don't work well in condensed homepage layout. Supply shorter versions that work better in the compact format. Discussed at 11:00.
Write intro text for Innovation Labs main page
January 27, 2026
Develop introductory content for the main Innovation Labs landing/index page. Discussed at 12:00.
Develop contact form questions for general inquiries
January 27, 2026
Create appropriate questions for general contact form to capture relevant information from inquiries. Discussed at 18:40.
Work with Simon to create registration questions for Learning Lab community of practice
February 3, 2026
Collaborate with Simon to develop appropriate registration questions for Learning Lab community platform that will collect participant information, photos, and relevant details from schools, academy trusts, and educational organizations. Discussed at 28:25.
Develop content for innovative funding page with geometric visualization concept
February 10, 2026
Create content for funding page that breaks from traditional pricing models. Use geometric visualization (potentially vector equilibrium) to tell narrative about resource flow. Incorporate 'give back' structure, acknowledge non-monetary contributions, and approach transparency from inside out to confound expectations. Discussed at 33:00-37:40.
Finalization of iconic visual identity system for nine Innovation Labs. Completed simple, logo-like symbolic icons using consistent visual language: rounded pentagons for Legacy Lab suggesting organic storytelling and five-fold symmetry of hand passing down knowledge (24:17), compass design for Leadership Lab (19:20), bioregion-inspired icon for City Lab combining built environment with natural forms (25:54), growth progression from infant to child for Conscious Parenting Lab (17:00), vector equilibrium created parametrically for Wisdom Lab (18:52), Caduceus or systemic healing symbol for Healing Lab (34:08). Icons must be universally accessible and professional for diverse audiences from early years teachers to government leaders. Creating 'the bud rather than the flower' - simple forms that are sacred yet approachable. All icons finalized today enabling stakeholder review.
Website design and development for The Flourish Project upgraded to Mast framework. Site structure focuses on nine Innovation Labs with integrated Resources section. New drag-and-drop CMS capabilities. Dark mode aesthetic implementation now functional. Simplified resources approach with most labs showing contact page link for expressions of interest, except Learning Lab which gets specialized contact form capturing name, role, email, school/organization, website, city, country. Conscious Parenting Lab features actual resource grid. Resource page prominently features three core handbooks used by 30+ schools worldwide with Airtable AI-generated PDF summaries. CMS-driven team management system with unpublished profiles for Fabienne and Annie pending discussions. Framework page cleaned up removing duplicate entries, linked from homepage ESF Framework section. New Principles of Partnership page with fungi/mycelium imagery and expression of interest link. Contact page updated with calming nature image. Airtable upgraded to team plan for continuous syncing. Integration with Airtable for resource management with primary status tagging for featured handbooks. Site transfer to Wendy's Webflow workspace pending with domain connection instructions to follow. Target launch after final joint review.
Development of community engagement strategy moving from consumer to participant model. Learning Lab launching as first community of practice with specialized contact form capturing name, role, email, school/organization, website, city, country - distinct from other labs which use standard contact page. Schools, academy trusts, and educational organizations become co-creators rather than passive consumers. Communication happening through WhatsApp groups rather than complex platform features. Tiered structure where well-resourced schools pay participation fees enabling commons-level access for schools globally. Resource page features three core handbooks used by 30+ schools worldwide as primary engagement tools with automatic PDF invitation system. Future AI-powered interactive tool envisioned using Claude to replicate Wendy's knowledge base, helping different user types get personalized guidance - ideal prototype within Learning Lab community. Moving away from heavy facilitation models toward emergent gathering approach. Leveraging engagement data from 37 countries.
Innovative funding page that breaks from traditional pricing models, using geometric visualization (potentially featuring vector equilibrium) to tell a narrative about resource flow through the system. Incorporates 'give back' structure where organizations that can afford fees help resource schools globally that cannot. Acknowledges non-monetary contributions from university researchers and PhD students. Radically transparent about sustainability needs while presenting as invitation to co-create rather than traditional transaction. Goal is to confound expectations and make people's brains hurt by approaching funding transparency from the inside out.
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Wendy Ellyatt: You know it. Even though what we're saying has all the sacred. This meeting is being recorded. I think the actual symbols need to be extremely simple.
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James Redenbaugh: Okay.
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Wendy Ellyatt: That's the cat. Hold on. I have a cat. That's one of mine.
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James Redenbaugh: Oh, she's so big. Hi, darling.
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Wendy Ellyatt: I'm just putting her eye. Hold on.
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James Redenbaugh: So much fluff.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Oh, that's nothing compared to her brother. She's the little one. What?
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James Redenbaugh: I can't imagine a fluffier cat.
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Wendy Ellyatt: He's the little one. What was I just saying? I've lost track what I was saying now.
00:00:48
James Redenbaugh: Oh, we were talking about the icons, the simplicity.
00:00:51
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. They're gonna have to be simple. Super simple. And work on professional documents.
00:00:55
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
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Wendy Ellyatt: So we've got to think about almost logo.
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James Redenbaugh: Like more like the motivations.
00:01:01
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. Except more almost like, you know, like even with the. With the two parents. You know, when you get this kind of curve with a. The sense of being held or the nurture. But I think they just need to be extremely simple, abstract logo. That would work like a logo for each of the. Because they're going to have to. Will then you be able to use them on documents. But they're going really high level. So we've got to think about people who are. Yeah. I don't want to put off. I don't need. They mustn't be too. Too clever because it won't work with the audiences we're trying to reach.
00:01:44
James Redenbaugh: Mm. Okay. Got it. I think I've figured out what is causing the light mode, dark mode.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Ah, have you? Shall I go and have a look at my end?
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James Redenbaugh: One sec. I'll let you know.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Because it said it had a browser problem, but I went into. I say I hardly ever use Safari, so it's got no cookies or anything on it. And so it was not that.
00:02:46
James Redenbaugh: Try it now. Give it a hard refresh.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that's done it.
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James Redenbaugh: Great. Cool. Sorry, I didn't realize that was.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that's. That's immediately done it. Yeah.
00:03:00
James Redenbaugh: That is the case for you.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Right, so that's number one. Yep. Should we just go page by page?
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Do you want to get. Share your screen?
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James Redenbaugh: Yep. Okay. The video.
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Wendy Ellyatt: I really like what you've got. I'm. I'm a little. Oh, okay. Do I want to. Does that work? I really like that. I'm a bit worried. I really like the indigenous one, but I'm worried we're going to be seen as indigenous watching. She's so indigenous.
00:03:46
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: It's a bit like greenwashing.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Whereas if you Know, in the little videos I send you, I'm not saying use it, but there was one with an African mother with her daughter, and that was beautiful. And it didn't have that. You know, we're showing a token indigenous person, which I have to be very, you know, indigenous thinking is embedded in what I'm doing. But everybody is so paranoid about it.
00:04:11
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Because it's actually lovely. But I can see us being got at.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:04:24
Wendy Ellyatt: I love the big image. I really like the young family. As long as we're countering it with non Western, something African particular would be good.
00:04:35
James Redenbaugh: Huh? Great.
00:04:38
Wendy Ellyatt: So I love that. I really like your. The work you've been doing on all the images. I love the. The images on top of all the innovation labs. So let's go down.
00:04:49
James Redenbaugh: What do you think of this collage graphic here?
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Wendy Ellyatt: I like it. I just think it could go lower than. It just. It doesn't work as well when it cuts into the top one.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Could be better with a child in it as well.
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James Redenbaugh: Okay. Is it too busy if it isn't.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Cutting into the image? It didn't look. I like it.
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James Redenbaugh: Mm.
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Wendy Ellyatt: And the only other thing is we're not just talking about humans. That's the other thing to remember. There's other species. Yeah.
00:05:25
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: But I think if it dropped down a bit so it wasn't cutting into the top video, it would look better.
00:05:34
James Redenbaugh: Okay. I was also playing with the videos that you sent. They're not uploading for some reason, but I think one of your green shots can work better as the first shot because we want to make the tech make sure the text is really readable. And this is a little light up top.
00:06:02
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. Still like it. I like the way we're going through the valley.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Okay.
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Wendy Ellyatt: That's fine. I love the. The framework with all the photos.
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James Redenbaugh: Great.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Love all that. Oh.
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James Redenbaugh: Oh. What happened here? Why is this squished?
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Wendy Ellyatt: That's gone weird. That's very weird. That's better.
00:06:39
James Redenbaugh: I know what's happening. I. It's. I gotta fix something for larger screen sizes, but for normal screen sizes, it's working.
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Wendy Ellyatt: Like all of that. The seven motivations. For some reason on my screen, they. Sometimes the sizes shift.
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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. If it's too small, it will default to the text size. So I'm going to make sure that they're uniform.
00:07:05
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. So Innovation Labs, we just need something much simpler on all of those.
00:07:14
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:07:16
Wendy Ellyatt: And much more symbolic. And learning is. Because it's learning for life. And it's not books. It's. It's Learning from everything. It's like developmental learning. So somehow we need to.
00:07:38
James Redenbaugh: So I think we should just stick with this design language. Maybe they can be a little more complex than this.
00:07:45
Wendy Ellyatt: Yes, I think something more complex that. It's another derivation of these, really. So. But you could have, like, little pictures inside the circles. Like peace. I mean, the. The piece one could be a dove. I mean, that's so. I mean, the. In a way, the nurture one could just be a heart. The peace one could be a dove. You know, the conscious parenting could be, you know, a double holding. Holding of something. Is that kind of get it down to super simple city. I mean, the legacy. I don't know how we convey legacy. Because that's wisdom, really.
00:08:30
James Redenbaugh: Something about time.
00:08:31
Wendy Ellyatt: Something about. Yeah, it's wisdom carrying forward.
00:08:36
James Redenbaugh: Taurus. I like the hourglass kind of. But I don't want it to be like time is running out.
00:08:42
Wendy Ellyatt: No. And that. That won't work. So. Yeah, cities. It's trying to have. As long as we've got a triander, you know, it's trying to convey that it's not just buildings, that they're living systems.
00:08:59
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:09:00
Wendy Ellyatt: So the city one could be a little circle with. I mean, that could have a bit more complexity. It could be a circle with, you know, little buildings and a tree or something.
00:09:10
James Redenbaugh: What about like a honeycomb grid that has, you know, kind of feels like a future city plan with different things going on inside.
00:09:21
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that would work. That would work. Peace Lab. I think the heart I more associate with nurture. But the Peace Lab can just be a stuff simply because it's so symbolic and everyone recognizes it.
00:09:39
James Redenbaugh: Not like a fully articulated globe, but something that's like.
00:09:43
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that would work. And leadership. Leadership. That could be more geometry. You know, we could almost have a like vector equilibrium or something. Yeah, I like that because we're saying it all without saying it. You know, leadership is about the back. I like the idea of a vector equilibrium because it would convey strength and structure. It'll convey everything without saying it.
00:10:21
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:10:22
Wendy Ellyatt: But I think if all of them are spheres and then we have the complexity inside the. Does that work for you?
00:10:32
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Debuctahedron.
00:10:39
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. I still like the vector equilibrium because it's, It's. It says a lot.
00:10:42
James Redenbaugh: The vector equilibrium is a cubic.
00:10:45
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah.
00:10:48
James Redenbaugh: Cool.
00:10:50
Wendy Ellyatt: And then like all of that, I've sent you much shorter because these don't work when you put them here. They work when you. The other one. But I've sent you really short versions.
00:11:06
James Redenbaugh: Great.
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Wendy Ellyatt: For all of them. For this for the homepage.
00:11:10
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:11:12
Wendy Ellyatt: And so as soon as you've done those, I'll. What I need is a link that's a temporary web link that I can share with my team. And then the. We haven't got a contact page yet. I don't think.
00:11:33
James Redenbaugh: We need a simple one there.
00:11:37
Wendy Ellyatt: Right. So basically that's the first page. Should we go watch? We go.
00:11:42
James Redenbaugh: We can go in order. So the innovation labs.
00:11:44
Wendy Ellyatt: I love that. I really love that image.
00:11:48
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I thought it was cute.
00:11:50
Wendy Ellyatt: I thought that's seriously cool.
00:11:52
James Redenbaugh: And the fact that photo of people in like a nice office.
00:11:55
Wendy Ellyatt: Perfect.
00:11:56
James Redenbaugh: The table.
00:11:57
Wendy Ellyatt: So love that. Oh, have I not got. Have you not got the top text for that?
00:12:03
James Redenbaugh: No.
00:12:06
Wendy Ellyatt: Right. Make a note.
00:12:10
James Redenbaugh: You'll share text for that.
00:12:13
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. Intro text. Yeah, yeah. So we'll have the simple image and then seriously love all that. Once we've got the simple images. They look great.
00:12:31
James Redenbaugh: I love this photo.
00:12:33
Wendy Ellyatt: I love all of these. I think it all looks great. And he loved the learning lab photo.
00:12:40
James Redenbaugh: Isn't it so cute?
00:12:41
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. Seriously cute.
00:12:43
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:12:43
Wendy Ellyatt: And I like that one too. The Legacy Lab.
00:12:46
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
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Wendy Ellyatt: And I like that. So what was the last one? Peace Lab. The only thing I'm. We need to reflect back on to make sure we've just. Again, we haven't just got western hands. And I think that that's very Western, you know.
00:13:10
James Redenbaugh: Well, they are brown skin.
00:13:13
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. It's just. I'm so cautious of it because we're. Because we're global in a really big way.
00:13:19
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I have some alternatives I can share.
00:13:24
Wendy Ellyatt: Just. I mean, I like it. It's just on all of the labs, we just need to go back and make sure that we're reflecting a global multi ethnic.
00:13:35
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I mean, I could use Nano Banana to make it. Make this with more diverse hands.
00:13:44
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that would do it.
00:13:46
James Redenbaugh: Cool.
00:13:51
Wendy Ellyatt: And that. See, that's great because that's got the ethnic straight away in there. So that's great. Love that.
00:13:57
James Redenbaugh: And it's like cool architecture in nature.
00:13:59
Wendy Ellyatt: Love all that. And the idea that we are being. Well, Simon was saying we're going to knock the socks off people when we do put this up because it's unlike any other site that's certainly in education.
00:14:13
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:17
Wendy Ellyatt: So that's all good. Yep. Like all of those.
00:14:20
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:14:21
Wendy Ellyatt: And the. Learn more. Should we go to the Learn More on. Yeah, each one. And then we get my texture. Can you click on the resources?
00:14:41
James Redenbaugh: These are clickable yet.
00:14:46
Wendy Ellyatt: They are or they're not.
00:14:47
James Redenbaugh: They're not.
00:14:48
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah.
00:14:48
James Redenbaugh: I think that we should put the resources in a grid down below here.
00:14:54
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, I agree. And I'm happy at the moment. I'm happy almost on every page. I think it would be safer at the moment to just have. I'm inclined to just get rid of the resources at the moment and just have express interest. Although this is the. Yeah, Conscious parenting is a bit different. No, I'll tell you what, let's do that on the conscious parenting one. Let's put up a grid and actually attach the resources that we've got. Yeah.
00:15:32
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:15:34
Wendy Ellyatt: So where's this showing?
00:15:37
James Redenbaugh: This is the resources page.
00:15:40
Wendy Ellyatt: Right. So this is the one. I want to completely get rid of all of that.
00:15:43
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:15:44
Wendy Ellyatt: And just say we're just coming soon. It's coming soon. Yeah. Because we need. I need to rethink all of this. So I think just get. Not taking. Literally take it away and say my resources are under development.
00:16:04
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:16:05
Wendy Ellyatt: So maybe the resources I can put. Shall I do the resources intro as well?
00:16:11
James Redenbaugh: Yes.
00:16:22
Wendy Ellyatt: Because it means I can get the site up. Okay.
00:16:31
James Redenbaugh: In. This picture isn't working.
00:16:35
Wendy Ellyatt: It's just disappeared. No, I liked it when I could see it.
00:16:40
James Redenbaugh: It's just because it's too.
00:16:50
Wendy Ellyatt: Is that a video then?
00:16:53
James Redenbaugh: No, it's just.
00:16:54
Wendy Ellyatt: It's an image still.
00:16:56
James Redenbaugh: I'm just going to align it better.
00:17:03
Wendy Ellyatt: I think it was working before as far as I remember.
00:17:22
James Redenbaugh: And we don't need the darker now.
00:17:31
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, that's nice. I like it, actually. I like. Yeah, that feels good. Cool.
00:17:38
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I think it just. I'll get the high resolution one and then I'll move the faces down so that they're more here.
00:17:45
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, yeah, No, I like that.
00:17:47
James Redenbaugh: Great.
00:17:48
Wendy Ellyatt: Got the multi ethnic. Yeah, all good, huh?
00:17:51
James Redenbaugh: Sticky notes, plants.
00:17:54
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, no good. And contemporary. Cutting edge. Yeah.
00:17:58
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Great.
00:18:05
Wendy Ellyatt: So that we've got all of that and then same thing. So on all of them, other than the conscious parenting lab, just to express interest for the moment, apart from the learning lab. And that's the one we're going to really develop up. So get rid of the prototype resources and just have expressions of interest.
00:18:28
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:18:34
Wendy Ellyatt: And get rid of the.
00:18:40
James Redenbaugh: Can you send me like what. What questions should be asked when people are expressing interest. So I'll have a model pop up and people will fill out a form.
00:18:55
Wendy Ellyatt: And say, yeah, it's probably no more than, you know, we're delighted you're interested in our work. Please tell. Let me. I'll think about it.
00:19:05
James Redenbaugh: We could ask, you know, where are they in the world? What. Yeah, you think about.
00:19:14
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. All right. But let's get rid of the framework and the prototype resources and just have express interest.
00:19:21
James Redenbaugh: Sure.
00:19:25
Wendy Ellyatt: On all of them. So let's. If we do the learning lab, because that's the only one that, that won't be the case then.
00:19:31
James Redenbaugh: Mm.
00:19:35
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. So now the. The. He has lots of people who are very serious kind of people who are potentially interested in what we're doing. He is pitching it to them as a community of practice. So instead of them coming in and just using the resources, the pitch to them and which I really love is that they will become participants in co shaping the future if you like. So their involvement, whether they're a single school or an academy trust or whatever, they'll become part of a community of practice. They will get access to our resources, both existing ones and the ones that as we develop it. But they will also help us optimize our materials so that we can influence national governments and. Yeah, so this is the lab where you know, you are doing those beautiful community. So this one, we need a community of practice where the people involved in this lab can access the community of practice.
00:20:44
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:20:46
Wendy Ellyatt: So enter the. Enter our community or enter the learning lab community. But then to know what that's going to look like.
00:20:53
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. What does that look like?
00:20:57
Wendy Ellyatt: Well, that was, you know, your idea of so different people having their little images and then there was a. You know, you could discuss things or you can share ideas so that Simon can oversee it, but they have an internal community. So it was your ideas on how that could be done?
00:21:18
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, that. I mean we're building a whole community platform right now to enable the building those kind of things. But it's, it's very much in development.
00:21:45
Wendy Ellyatt: So how would you do that? Now in terms of. Do we need to build it outside of the.
00:21:51
James Redenbaugh: So right. You know, it depends on timelines. If we want people to be able to kind of be in some kind of community. I would use either Circle or Mighty Networks or hilo.
00:22:15
Wendy Ellyatt: Okay. So it's all the ones that I know loads of people are coming off from IT networks. I used to have a mighty network and then takes an awful lot of effort to keep people involved. But if it's a very focused community of practice, it might work.
00:22:30
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:22:31
Wendy Ellyatt: Okay, so we'll build something so that will link to some external.
00:22:40
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:22:42
Wendy Ellyatt: I know, I know. Holomovement uses hilo, don't they?
00:22:46
James Redenbaugh: Not anymore. Now we're building something custom for them. We built this for them for the Ambassadors program.
00:22:58
Wendy Ellyatt: I'm a member. I just don't have time to be.
00:23:00
James Redenbaugh: Involved yeah, well, there's, I mean there's a few events every month. There's not, there's not much to do, but we're building out a, a back end so you can log in and see other people and share things and do assessments and things like that. But it's quite involved.
00:23:25
Wendy Ellyatt: And so, yeah, no, we want something super simple.
00:23:27
James Redenbaugh: So yeah, we could do.
00:23:34
Wendy Ellyatt: It's more like, you know, when you showed me the thing that was for a conference, you know, when you, when you pick up lots of people and then there was a, you know, a small degree of communication that could go on within it. I was thinking more something like that.
00:23:51
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. Well, I think we should. The first step is designing a form where people share some things, upload a picture, their email and then, and then there's a number of things that we can do for those people. One is helping them communicate and that's, you know, that can be as simple as putting them in a WhatsApp group or something so that they can message each other and the other is giving them a visual sense that they're in something together. And that's, that's relatively straightforward. So we can take that field data and populate a CMS so that, you.
00:24:42
Wendy Ellyatt: Know, that might be enough, you know, if we just did the visual of, for what we want a visual effect of this is the community you're in connected to WhatsApp might be enough.
00:24:59
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:24:59
Wendy Ellyatt: But actually the activity goes on in WhatsApp that you can send, set up separate groups, but within the site we have some kind of visual sense that this is the community. We're actually doing all the chatting in WhatsApp. But that might work because that simplifies it, doesn't it?
00:25:18
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Cool.
00:25:20
Wendy Ellyatt: Because I don't need the multiple level, you know, all the stuff that Hilo and Mighty networks build in, we don't need. Ours is a really simple remit.
00:25:31
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:25:33
Wendy Ellyatt: So I let's. And what I've said, Simon, is the. Once we have a website, even if it's still in a temporary one, that we can show all the people that he's getting interested, we can then tell them that this is what we're planning. Because we're basically saying that, you know, we're right, we're not pretending anything. We're saying we're just about to launch a new website and we're, we're inviting, we're, we're aiming at high level people who, we recognize that they're working in a way that aligns with what we're doing. They're already trying to be cutting edge. So they're the ones that we're inviting in. So they are delighted that they're invited in and then we're kind of sharing. So next month that will be the first meeting where we show them the website and then bounce around. Then we could say, well, what we're trying to do is within the site, give you a sense of community. But we're actually going to communicate. We need to just get the structure of how we're going to do that clear because they're. They're such high players and the potentially. And we're going to try and build in a pricing structure whereby if they, if they've really. We're hoping to offer them enough that they will be happy to pay an amount but with a give back. So those that offer fees, there's a. We're basically resourcing schools across the world that can't afford to be involved and it'll be implicit in any arrangements because we obviously I need to. Ultimately, I'd love. I want Simon to come and work. He's having to work as a teacher while we're trying to get some money. But I think it's a rather lovely thing. Show the. We're trying to say that energy. Nothing wrong with money, but it needs to resource the whole system, not just the privileged few. Yeah. So. Yeah. So let's go back to the site.
00:27:43
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:27:46
Wendy Ellyatt: So we've got express interest, then we've got the. And you can share with me any ideas you've got about that community thing. I just remember you had that circle of little faces.
00:27:58
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:27:59
Wendy Ellyatt: And I remember thinking that was so cute.
00:28:01
James Redenbaugh: I can literally copy what I did there and. Link it to a form. I just need a list of questions. That we would ask people when they come into the community.
00:28:22
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah, well, and Simon can do that Learning lab.
00:28:31
James Redenbaugh: Legacy lab.
00:28:42
Wendy Ellyatt: So I'll do the main contact form questions and then we can think about. Probably we'll just do the same one on everything. We won't customize it, but if people want to join the community, that's a different thing. So we'll have to start thinking about all of that. Legacy lab. I've got them raring to go. So again what I want to do is I'll basically. Once we've got the little symbols done, can you give me access to the website as a. Like just a link while it's on a draft basis?
00:29:17
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's just FlourishProject Webflow IO.
00:29:25
Wendy Ellyatt: Right. Well, if you, if you send that to me when we're ready, then that can be what I send. Like the team.
00:29:31
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I also put it on a domain that I own because I needed to. I needed it to be on an actual domain.
00:29:45
Wendy Ellyatt: And then I obviously still own. I own the domain name. And then at some point we'll bring it. Connect the two. Yeah. Should we go. Let's go back to the site.
00:29:59
James Redenbaugh: Just making sure you have this domain.
00:30:06
Wendy Ellyatt: You putting it in the chat.
00:30:08
James Redenbaugh: I emailed it to you.
00:30:10
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. All right. That's great.
00:30:14
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:30:15
Wendy Ellyatt: Yep. Same thing on all of them. Get rid of the resources. Just put expressions of interest.
00:30:27
James Redenbaugh: Okay. About.
00:30:31
Wendy Ellyatt: Oh, we were going to get rid of that top. Just get rid of that top section. That little intro. Get rid of it. That right hand thing. Get rid of it. Just go to the team.
00:30:43
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:30:47
Wendy Ellyatt: That. And now I'm going to get everyone to double check this.
00:30:51
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:30:52
Wendy Ellyatt: So that. That all looks great though. The images look good.
00:30:56
James Redenbaugh: Great.
00:31:00
Wendy Ellyatt: That's all good framework. I love that picture.
00:31:07
James Redenbaugh: Cool.
00:31:11
Wendy Ellyatt: Love that. I couldn't even see those because of. It was on light scale. I couldn't see what happened, where they went. Couldn't see the text. I love all of that. Yeah. No, like all of that. Well, the only thing with human capacities and potential is it's really the core of that is early years. Not sure how we. I understand it's trying to convey building something, but it doesn't really capture that it all begins at the beginning.
00:32:09
James Redenbaugh: Yeah. We could have something relating to a child here.
00:32:13
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. Think about that.
00:32:14
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:32:19
Wendy Ellyatt: Like all that. We go down. Yeah, like all that. Take it down to the bottom. Yeah. All good. They all linked. Yeah. Yeah, that's all good. Yeah.
00:32:51
James Redenbaugh: Okay.
00:32:53
Wendy Ellyatt: That's good.
00:32:56
James Redenbaugh: Great.
00:32:59
Wendy Ellyatt: Where was the next. Have we.
00:33:03
James Redenbaugh: That's it. None of resources.
00:33:04
Wendy Ellyatt: Resources. What we're going to. We will do another page that's funding and we really want to do something innovative with that. Which is again. And I haven't. We were talking about it this morning. He's got some really interesting ideas about it. And it may be we have a geometry in there again, the vector. It may be that we bring the same vector equilibrium in. But in my head, the moment he was talking about it in my head, I could see the geometry and you could pull out sections. But it was the fact that we could have. It was to include like universities and PhD students to come and kind of give their time and be part of the research. And then, you know that we were feeding the flow of funding. It was to really. We're going to try and capture a narrative that explains the flow of funding in a system. So it's not just, here's a list of our prices, you know, all the cost of being involved. It's a much more interesting narrative about how you resource something, I suppose, in a sacred way, without saying it. You know, how do you run energy through a system? One, we've got resources, but this is. We're talking about fun. So we're. And we're going to be really, really blatantly open with how we're. We kind of want to confound how people approach the whole thing. So we're still playing about with it, but I think there'll be another page. And in my head, I see it as a geometry revealing different things. But I said to Simon, you're going to be the perfect person to do that, because I love the idea of it being the last thing people expect. And it's almost that you're seeing things from the inside out, even though you're talking about, we need to be sustainable. We actually need to build a team, hopefully with you on it, ultimately. But that's the kind of. So it'd be interesting to see if we come up with that. And you can see what you think, too, because it's, you know, this. I love things that are provocations or that are upside down in terms of. It makes people's brains hurt because they're not. Isn't what they're expecting. But I think that's the one page that will start to build now simply because now he's here. I'm getting a much stronger feel for what this could look like. And he's talking. Who he's talking to. I wasn't expecting him to go that fast to engage the kind of people he's engaging. And suddenly you think, wow, these actually, these are organizations that we can talk about, become participant funders much earlier than I would have expected. And that's now. So we're actually thinking, well, what would that look like? We might as well now, rather than build up to it, if that's happening. All right. If the degree of interest is there straight away, you know, the question is, okay, well, how do we build something that could encompass it? Yeah, yeah. Does that make sense, James?
00:36:44
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I mean, as much sense as it can make right now. Curious. What will. What will emerge for that, for that page? And.
00:36:58
Wendy Ellyatt: It'S almost like, you know, you've just. I've just got your thing. Let's create amazing things together. That's kind of the vibe we're going for with the funding. It's interesting that that's flag that's come up now. You've disappeared and that's come up.
00:37:12
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, because my camera died.
00:37:14
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. But in a way that makes me laugh that that's come up there at that moment.
00:37:20
James Redenbaugh: Yeah.
00:37:21
Wendy Ellyatt: Because it's exactly what we're trying to. Going to try and that's the vibe we're going to try and do on that page.
00:37:28
James Redenbaugh: Great. Well, if you get me some content to start to play with, I can start to.
00:37:40
Wendy Ellyatt: Yeah. We were only just talking about it this morning and I, I know I'm on a. He's the right person because I, my, the. I can feel the moment we're talking. I get. I can feel things. You know, you don't see things until you're with someone else and then suddenly you, you get ideas that you didn't have before. Yeah. And then that. I think we're there, aren't we? Once we've done that, the big thing are the, the little symbols. Because once we've got that, I won't share it with the others. Until we've got the simplicity of that in. We should tighten it all up.
00:38:18
James Redenbaugh: I'll. I'll try to get those done today. It's funny, I took them so complex and intricate and then we're coming back.
00:38:29
Wendy Ellyatt: But I think the absolute simplicity. Yeah. The bud in the bud rather than the flower.
00:38:34
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. I'll save these in case you want to use them somewhere sometime.
00:38:41
Wendy Ellyatt: They looked very Indian. It's not that I didn't like them, it's just they don't work for what I'm trying to do.
00:38:46
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah.
00:38:47
Wendy Ellyatt: And I say it's the fact that I'm, you know, I work from everyone from an early years teacher to the president of a country like Iceland. I mean Iceland in two months time, literally with a president of a country who is going to be interested. So you've. It is a bonkers situation where I'm living in, you know, sitting here with no funds in a tiny hut in the garden and, and have that level of things going on. Yeah. Very silly. Are you happy with that? Do we have enough to both go away and.
00:39:23
James Redenbaugh: Yep, we do.
00:39:25
Wendy Ellyatt: And, and it's easier for me. It was really weird because I couldn't see the site properly when it was in light scale. So it's going to be easier for me to now go in and do stuff.
00:39:33
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great.
00:39:36
Wendy Ellyatt: All right, so listen, and then we can just, just, well, just share it with me as you've got stuff and then we can chat to and fro.
00:39:42
James Redenbaugh: Yeah, sounds good.
00:39:44
Wendy Ellyatt: All right.
00:39:45
James Redenbaugh: All right, Wendy.
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