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James Redenbaugh: Hi, everybody.

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Will Dragon: Hey, James.

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Andy Bittner: Hey there.

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James Redenbaugh: Hey there. I think we're still waiting on Andreas and I think he can only half the call, but. Good to see you all.

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Will Dragon: How did the wedding go?

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James Redenbaugh: It was so good.

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Will Dragon: Amazing.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we couldn't be happier. It was really fun. Definitely on cloud nine. We're on a little mini moon right now in the Pennsylvania farmlands on like, look at that.

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Will Dragon: Looks amazing.

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Andy Bittner: Very nice.

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James Redenbaugh: Wood fired hot tub. Very rustic, cool. And they have a little bit of WI fi that I figured out how to get on. So. Yeah, it was so much fun. So many people came in from all over the world and we had a big blast of festivities until like yesterday. And now we're just zening out and. And the wife is sleeping so I can check in with you guys, see how you're doing.

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Andy Bittner: Perfect.

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Will Dragon: Didn't expect you to check in on your honeymoon.

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James Redenbaugh: No worries. I want to make sure we keep the ball rolling and. And I had to start the meeting, so.

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Will Dragon: Hey, Frank andy.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Yeah, Andy. I don't know as well. Andy Bitner. Sorry for this. Okay. It's. It's awful cold today and I don't want to start the heater. So I'm sitting in the office.

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Andy Bittner: And.

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Frank Kuhnecke: The only warm thing is my background.

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Will Dragon: Yeah, yeah. It looks very warm where you are, but I'll take a word for it.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, awesome. How you doing, Andy? How you feeling?

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Andy Bittner: Doing better, like, but it's also very cold here. At least inside it's fine, but outside it's like nine degrees, like Jesus Christ.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, man.

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Andy Bittner: Especially like these jumps in Germany are so like, I don't know, crazy because like on Saturday it was like 30, you were like sweating outside and then two days later you're freezing.

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Will Dragon: We had the same in the UK, Andy. We had like Friday it was like 25 degrees, and then the following day it was about 10 degrees.

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Andy Bittner: So that's most horrible. I hate it. But it's okay if it's like going down, like about weeks, like if it needs some days and every day it gets colder or something like from one day to the other.

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Will Dragon: Yeah. My son went to school on the Friday with a big jacket on and came home sweating because he was so. Obviously he didn't wear the jacket, but he was just so hot. He was like, dad, you said it was going to be cold this morning. I said it was cold this morning. I didn't know later in the day.

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Andy Bittner: Unbelievable.

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Will Dragon: I think, I think Andrea said he can join for the first half of the meeting now. So.

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James Redenbaugh: I'll send him a little thing. Andy, where were you traveling to?

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Andy Bittner: I was in Boston and hats going on because my family were three weeks there. And then we came back then on a weekend I went to Oktoberfest. And then I catch the flu or something. And then for three days.

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Will Dragon: So it wasn't just too much beer.

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Andy Bittner: I'm used to the beer normally. I normally don't drink that much because it's also expensive right now. They're going crazy. The beer is okay, but the food went up crazy. Like half a Chicken is now 17, 18 bucks. Like euro. That's like hilarious. If you. If you're here somewhere on the village or even downtown, there are these like, these small shops or how it's called, these trailers where they selling the chickens from. You get it for like six. And then on October Fest, it's three times the price. But I guess I get it like all the security, like all the waiters, the tents, the electricity. There's so much logistics that has to be paid for, because you don't have to pay for the entrance or like to enter. Like, everything's free, so they have to put it on the drinks and on the food, also the music. Everything has to be paid for.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Having a tent on the October Fest is like the license for printing money.

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Andy Bittner: But you also have a lot of stuff you have to like, do for it. It's not that easy. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of logistics behind it.

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Frank Kuhnecke: If you go to another town, the prices are off. And now we have a lot of October Festers in Germany and the prices normally are going down. Except Munich.

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Andy Bittner: Yeah, they are crazy. But you can do what they can do whatever they want, as long as enough tourists and enough people come and pay for it. Why wouldn't you raise the race prices? I mean, if you're still booked out, why would you. Why would you increase prices? Just economy.

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Will Dragon: Because it's popular with tourists, isn't it? I mean, it's a big pull. I mean, a lot. I know a lot.

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Andy Bittner: There's a lot of people. I went to the. There's like two Oktoberfests, like for years now. They have the old one in the back, where you have to pay there. You have to pay €4 to enter it. And then everything is like old school, like in the 80s or something. You have the old. The old glasses, like not. Not out of glass, but these stone ones. And yeah, everything is just older and even there I met a lot of like, people from the U.S. and everywhere. Like, there was a family from the U.S. i met. I talked to them because they had a reservation and like, the office needed half an hour to find their reservation. And he was hilarious. They were like, hey, Germany stands for efficiency. And I was like, yeah, sometimes it's not that good anymore. It was. Yeah. Now they. They were though. That was funny. Like, card that. The car payment thing didn't work. I don't know. They didn't have connection or no WI fi or whatever.

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James Redenbaugh: You guys know it's. It's not October yet, right?

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Andy Bittner: That's the thing. But it's always a nice time. Everybody comes.

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James Redenbaugh: There is October Fest in September.

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Andy Bittner: You always have a good time. Everybody's so nice and so friendly there. And you always fun with some people. You get some. Get to know some new people. It's always nice. But yeah, we had. We. We got a place one table where there was four children next to us and they were all coughing and sneezing and stuff. And I was like, okay, that's. That's gonna be a flu. I'm gonna catch it 100. Well, you also don't want to go anywhere because you don't know if you get another place on another table because everything is full on the first day. A little bit unlucky.

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James Redenbaugh: Interesting. Is it traditionally on the equinox?

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Andy Bittner: Equinox.

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James Redenbaugh: The day. And the year where the night and the day are. Oh, equal. September 21st and.

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Andy Bittner: Always. I think it's always the same weekend. Like, it's always the second last weekend of September and goes until the first weekend in October. Unless there is, like, holiday on the Monday after it should end. Like, there's this one German holiday that sometimes falls on the Monday, then they extend it to the Monday. So you have sometime, I think every four years or something, it's one day longer, but normally it's always two weeks and three weekends.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, crazy wild. All right. Not sure where Andreas is, but why don't we check in and see where we're at? I've been in wedding mode, so I don't have much to share on my end. But.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Will.

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James Redenbaugh: How are you doing and what are you working on?

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Will Dragon: Yeah, so I managed to update. So, Frank, first of all, thank you for sending through the update PDF. That was really useful. I've updated the character so he's hopefully a little bit more in line with what we want. And I've dropped some new visuals in. And I've also been working on some of the icons for the navigation and then the gates So I don't know if you can share the screen.

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James Redenbaugh: You want to share the screen?

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Will Dragon: I don't know. I always struggle with this.

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James Redenbaugh: You should just click the green button at the layo.

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Andy Bittner: Cool. And.

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Will Dragon: Okay. Okay. Can you see that?

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Andy Bittner: Yeah. Yep.

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James Redenbaugh: Nice.

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Will Dragon: Okay, so, yeah, the. The character's been updated, so he's now got a higher kind of collar and the. The kind of sash on the. On the side. And the. The kind of strapping around the. The legs has changed. So hopefully that's a little bit more in line, Frank, with what we need.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Yeah, that's much more Chinese.

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Will Dragon: Oh, the. The. So the icons are basically, I'd say to keep everything in a circle for the moment, just because it kind of works quite neatly without having to have. Because it kind of formulates and formalizes the kind of shape and the icons and makes them kind of all generic. So they're based around. Initially kind of based around this gate icon. So this is the main icon for the. For the gates. And then within that, it's almost as if. So that the format stays the same. And it's almost. If the gate is open. And then behind each door we see this was bases and then skills. I'm not entirely sure where they came from. This is something that Andreas mentioned in. In the feedback that this is regarding, that we need something regarding bases and skills. But then I know that the. The seven gates we actually had the fire gate, the paper gate, hand, circle, head, marriage, and heart. Now I wanted to try and keep them so that they still felt as if they were from the same kind of school of thought as the other graphic devices that we've got. But they also then are quite specific around what they're trying to represent, so they can't be too abstract. So hopefully they work. I can always look at. I can always relook at them, but I felt that they, as a set, they kind of worked. And then as. As a. Within the actual document itself or within the website itself, they. They worked. So, yeah, I mean, I'm happy to get any feedback on that, though. And then obviously, if there are any more that are required, then, you know, we can just build those out. But hopefully it gives us a base to be able to, you know, start looking at anything else that's needed. And then I just started to kind of play around with the other pages, the additional pages that we require, so just started to kind of drop in some visuals which will be redrawn and re. Artwork. These are actually AI files at the moment, but I was just trying to Sort of play around with maybe playing on with some. Some sort of scenery in the background as more of a generic.

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Frank Kuhnecke: That's fine.

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Will Dragon: Yeah.

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Frank Kuhnecke: I'm positive. Surprised by the symbols I like.

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Will Dragon: Good.

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Frank Kuhnecke: They are. Yes. I'm looking for the English word spasm. They are. They are great. Reduced.

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Will Dragon: Yeah. So very simplified.

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Andy Bittner: Simplest. Simple. Simplified, yeah.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Simplified, yeah. They are. So. So I like them. I think it's fine. And it's easy. Not. Not easy to do. But. But by the idea, it's easy to change if we change something by the content, the ground form is stable. So for me, it's fine.

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Will Dragon: Okay, excellent. That's great news, Frank, because icons are always quite tricky in regards, especially with what I've done here, which is put an icon within a frame because you reduce this, obviously, the size that you're going to see it. And with icons, you kind of need them to kind of work straight away, but because they're also quite abstract, I guess they're always going to be with the written form. So we're not expecting people to understand, for instance, that the marriage icon is the marriage icon without it saying marriage underneath it, if you see what I mean, you know, because I don't think you'd get that means marriage, but obviously you know it.

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Frank Kuhnecke: And the word marriage is even not so good. It means connected to the organization. And the symbol also can be translated connected to the organization. So the quality is catched. And the word is. I don't like really, but we didn't find a better one.

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Will Dragon: Okay, okay, no problem. Yeah. Like I said. So hopefully, if you like the styling of it, then that's brilliant. And then that just means that obviously if we need to change anything in the future, then hopefully we can kind of work around what they might look like. Yeah. And. But I still felt that they felt slightly Chinese in the kind of the. There was. There was something that we looked at in the earlier.

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Frank Kuhnecke: The frame that is. In the frame, and it's a square frame. That's like a Chinese stamp a little bit.

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Will Dragon: Yeah. Yeah. But I wanted to kind of keep some of this stylistic kind of. I. I like this, the. The kind of stylistic element of this, but obviously it's quite difficult to then do that and keep the imagery in place. So I like the idea of the initial idea that this was the gate, and then the gate doors open, as it were, and then behind each door.

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Andy Bittner: You see, I'm saying.

00:17:35

James Redenbaugh: Wait, we lost Frank.

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Andy Bittner: Where did he go.

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Frank Kuhnecke: By the idea? It's something like. I don't know whether you can See it like a tiny stamp.

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Will Dragon: Yeah.

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Frank Kuhnecke: And they are all covered all around by a square normally.

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Will Dragon: Okay. Yeah.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Then you have lines and there's a special kind of ritual. Stems who are working like your cycle above. Okay, that's great.

00:18:13

Will Dragon: Oh, awesome.

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Andy Bittner: Oh, nice.

00:18:19

Will Dragon: Yeah. So. So that's kind of where I am with everything. I'm. I'm kind of still just. What I'm. What I'm planning on doing is just trying to get the final few pages. So I'm doing the Meet the Founders page and then the proven results page, I think, as far as I'm aware. Is that. Is that all were going to do? Yeah. So just basically building out the last few pages from a visual point of view and then. Yeah. See where we are with it all. And then James andy, obviously, you know, we can start to kind of dissect everything and I can, you know, deliver bits and pieces as. As and when you need. You know, I know that we're trying to. We were trying to get everything in Figma, but I failed miserably in actually learning how to use Figma. I apologize. I'm still doing it all in Illustrator. So what I can do is I can just deliver all of the assets that we need to kind of build it up.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: Andy, how competent are you in Illustrator?

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Andy Bittner: It's okay, let's say I work mostly with Figma, but yeah, you can find almost everything in Illustrator.

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Will Dragon: What I can do, Andy, is I can. I can just drop all of the different asset elements into Figma, if that helps. So the backgrounds and all of that kind of stuff for each of the. Each of the kind of pages that we've got, I can drop all of that into all of the assets into Figma. And then I know that's not brilliant because it still means you're kind of going to build it, but at least you'll have all the elements to kind of then build it up from, as opposed to having to dissect everything from Illustrator.

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James Redenbaugh: Well, that's a good start. But Andy, what do you think the most efficient process would be to. To flush out the rest of the site in Figma and then.

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Will Dragon: Yeah.

00:20:33

James Redenbaugh: And then move into webflow or to. To take what we have now and start building in webflow.

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Andy Bittner: It might be even better to just start building it in webflow maybe. Because, like, having, like. It depends if we find one. Let's. Let's do one page or at least we have to be on the same page for this. These sections we have now, if everything looks good in Figma, because it's almost done in Figma now, right? Like the one you just showed us in Figma is like almost done.

00:21:06

James Redenbaugh: Well, that's basically a screenshot of from Illustrator.

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Will Dragon: Yeah, that's just all JPEGs.

00:21:13

Andy Bittner: Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. So if we. You can just finish the homepage in Illustrator and then we put it into Figma just to have a look like you won't be able to make it pixel perfect, but that's not even needed. And then you just drop the assets into figma so I can build out the homepage and from there we can build in webflow because I think that's not efficient. If we then build everything out in Figma and then we start building it in webflow, we like. That's like double the time to say that we lose there.

00:21:46

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, cool. Yeah, cool.

00:21:50

Andy Bittner: Because you can still then like work out like two or three pages in webflow and then I will show it in a meeting and then we can like in real time, we can talk about it and make some edits to it if we need it.

00:22:02

Will Dragon: Yeah, that sounds good.

00:22:06

Andy Bittner: Just get one page approved and then we can start to build out in.

00:22:14

Frank Kuhnecke: I have one question. How will this page react if you, for example, put it on the cell phone?

00:22:25

Andy Bittner: Yeah, so that will be responsive. So everything will just.

00:22:33

James Redenbaugh: That's one of the main differences in Illustrator and figma you can start to design more responsively, not only statically. So we don't place every object with a fixed location, things have more of a responsive location. And then when we get into webflow, we want it to be fully responsive. So no matter the browser size, everything looks good, everything is readable, nothing gets cut off. And the mobile is usually. It's not just a smaller version of the homepage, things get reassembled. So if we have lots of things kind of spread out horizontally, they'll often become vertically to make sure that it's a more friendly mobile experience. And font sizes may change as well to make sure everything continues to be readable.

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Frank Kuhnecke: Because I was wondering about the symbols in the corner of the pages and so on. And if I do it in my web store, I will get a heck of a mess. But if you say Figma is reacting fine and it's not a problem for me, it's okay.

00:23:54

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we'll definitely see the full response responsivity when we get into webflow. And you know, there we can build in any kind of rules easily. Like on mobile, the corner details are this size and they work like this or we take them out because we decide they're distracting. All of that is really easy to do in webflow.

00:24:18

Andy Bittner: Okay.

00:24:20

Frank Kuhnecke: It's a moment enough for me.

00:24:22

Will Dragon: I was just going to add to that, Frank. Yeah. And just say that there may be some elements that we just lose completely if. Yeah, they just become. It becomes too complicated. So Mobile is going to be just a slimmed down version, but again, it will have its own unique features that we can maybe add in to kind of bring extra things to it. So, yeah, it'll be good.

00:24:46

Frank Kuhnecke: Okay.

00:24:51

Andy Bittner: Yeah. And then I think it's good that we. If we can talk after I rate the pages in webflow like you will and James and me. So maybe we need some new assets because like on some pages we need some new graphics or whatever and you can do them or have a better eye for it because you did the errors already and you have like the tools you used for it. Because if I start now, it might not look the same, will be like kind off. But I. Yeah. And I can tell you where I need something, where I think something would be useful and you can have a look and think about where you would add something or replace something. And I think that we can create nice pages.

00:25:33

Will Dragon: Cool.

00:25:34

Andy Bittner: Everything will be consistent.

00:25:37

Will Dragon: Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:40

Frank Kuhnecke: It's the first time I've got a feeling of the page. Before, I was a little overwhelmed because of the alternatives, but right now I have a. Have a feeling how the page looks like. And I can't speak for Andreas, but I would say we are directly on the right way.

00:26:04

Will Dragon: Excellent. That's good to know, Frank. I think without being too presumptuous, I think Andreas was reasonably happy with where were as well. So, you know, I'm hoping that, you know, we're on the. We're on the right tracks and then what I'll try and do is I'll try and get this finished up and then maybe before next week's meeting, I'll just fire across an email to everyone just to say this is where I am and this is kind of where I've got to a kind of more of a finished state. And then that'll give us something to kind of. If obviously, if you andreas can just let us know any feedback on that, then maybe we might be able to get things moving along a bit quicker just in regards to getting it into webflow, etc. So, yeah, that's, that's my aim for the rest of the week is just to try and finish up as much as possible.

00:27:01

Frank Kuhnecke: Fine.

00:27:04

Andy Bittner: Great.

00:27:05

Frank Kuhnecke: I think we are fine.

00:27:07

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:27:07

Andy Bittner: I love the newer. I think it's really great now. I also love the mountains on the choose your path. Like looks amazing. New icons are great.

00:27:19

James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

00:27:22

Frank Kuhnecke: If you like this kind of painting. I once stopped the working in the biggest museum in Taipei to take 80 pictures of a 8 or 4 meter picture and we build it together in Germany. If you like such kind of pictures, tell me. I can send it to you. I have it in the school of two meters or one and a half horses. If you like something like this, give me a hint.

00:27:57

Will Dragon: Awesome.

00:28:00

Frank Kuhnecke: And I. I just called my cell phone a friend just for information In. In older days, 1800 Oktoberfest was in October.

00:28:13

Andy Bittner: Time.

00:28:14

Frank Kuhnecke: And it was. He told me right now it was to the honor of the marriage of Crown Prince Ludwig. The guy who built the village.

00:28:25

Will Dragon: Yeah.

00:28:26

Frank Kuhnecke: And Princess Teresa. That was the original reason. But because the weather in Munich is quite awful in October and the money is very important. They switched it three weeks in front. That's the reason why it's called Oktoberfest.

00:28:46

Will Dragon: There we go.

00:28:51

Frank Kuhnecke: I didn't know either. But I just asked him. Good.

00:28:56

Will Dragon: There's always a financial reason somewhere.

00:28:59

Frank Kuhnecke: All of the money mostly.

00:29:05

Andy Bittner: Excellent.

00:29:07

James Redenbaugh: We bought so many more beers for the after party than we ended up drinking. So we're going to be having and Oktoberfest for the rest of September and October. Probably forever.

00:29:23

Will Dragon: That's probably. That's probably not a bad thing to have. I once. I once had an excess of cheese after a party. And the trouble with cheese is that it's only got a shelf life of so long. So we had cheese for about three weeks non stop.

00:29:40

James Redenbaugh: The worst thing is we ordered way too many pizzas for the after party. I don't know what Emily was thinking in her calculation, but we had about 15 extra pizzas at the end of.

00:29:56

Frank Kuhnecke: The night and there's nothing you can.

00:29:58

James Redenbaugh: Do with them because they don't fit in the fridge. And we gave as many as we could away. But I think they're just going to go to the rats.

00:30:10

Will Dragon: Frisbee.

00:30:12

James Redenbaugh: Frisbee. Alrighty guys. I think we should call it there and I could send the recording to Andreas when he resurfaces and. And see what he thinks. But yeah, will love seeing the. The icons and the progress. So super cool stuff. We'll get that homepage knocked out in Figma and then I'm really excited to start getting into web flow. Seeing things flow online for real.

00:30:51

Will Dragon: Cool. Awesome.

00:30:54

James Redenbaugh: Great.

00:30:54

Will Dragon: Good stuff. Well, enjoy the rest of your mini moon.

00:30:57

James Redenbaugh: Thank you.

00:30:58

Will Dragon: Yeah, enjoy it, and we'll catch up soon.

00:31:03

James Redenbaugh: Talk to you soon. Ciao.

00:31:06

Will Dragon: See you later.

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