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James Redenbaugh: Hi, Randall.

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Randall Libero: There. Hi, James.

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James Redenbaugh: Hi, Granville. Nice to meet you.

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Randall Libero: Good to meet you as well.

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James Redenbaugh: How are you today?

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Randall Libero: Not too bad, not too bad. Anyway, a little too late last night working on something, but that's just me.

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James Redenbaugh: Me too. I'm saying, what are you working on?

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Randall Libero: Actually, some video graphic design I was discussing with a friend of mine who does CGI work where I've known for over 40 years. Friend of mine. Anyway. Oh God, where to get started? So I found. I know about you because I'm a member of the Holomovement, the original Holomovement group.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, wonderful.

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Randall Libero: If you know about the Convergence radio show that Kurt Johnson does.

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James Redenbaugh: Yes.

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Randall Libero: Yeah. For that I, Well I, I produce that. I got him, actually. I convinced him to do it. So I don't know what you know about me, but I'm a producer writer. I work with a. A lot of, let's just say way back in the day, in the early days of Internet media, people other than a website, they didn't have anything content related. So I was a kind of a innovator and in a way kind of a little bit of a pioneer. And I started the web content for a lot of famous guys like Joe Dispenza and Eckhart Tolle and on and on, you know, and that Elk and a lot of other business leaders. And you know, there's a few names that I knew, a few old names. Jack Lane, he was first exercise guru way back in the 50s and 60s. So that's been, you know, that's what I'm known most for. But before that I had a career as a news writer, journalism. I worked for the estate department, I worked for Ernst and Young Communication services, corporate medium. But before that, 12 years I was in LA as a cameraman, writer, editor, shooter, producer, director, all sorts of stuff. Documentaries, TV shows. That was my early career in my 20s. So I've been at this for 40 years. But all throughout that I've had a lifelong interest, ever since high school. My college, my. Both my college friends and my high school friends thought I was cuckoo. Looking into the effect of media, movies and TV on us people, on consciousness, now I call it consciousness, but it was just the effect on people. So that has been a, an interest in mind for a long time. And looking at what's going on today, I knew all of that was headed somewhere. I didn't know where it was going to be headed. So when I saw the Internet happen, I thought, well, this is obviously this is a part of it. This is, you know, audio and video on the Internet. So before there was even YouTube, I started working on those things and then I actually probably looking into little bits here and there. I probably had an influence on a lot of people which I didn't even realize at the time I started platforms, I did a lot of things before anybody else did them. And I got people to be content creators back in 0506 07. So that's what I most known for. So all of that has grown into an interest and a passion into helping people understand what's happening in our consciousness as the influence of this, what I call the inner intermedia old spectrum. Now we have AI, so it's, you know, the screen. We have a real life and we have a screen life and I've been kind of hoping that someone would start talking about these subjects out there, but I don't see anybody doing it. So, you know, in terms of the spiritual path as you may know, I don't know what your life has been like, but when you can think of something and see something that's not being done, it's like God says, all right, well you see it, you do it. So I've decided I've been a very much behind the scenes kind of person. So the reason I'm telling you all this is because this is something, you know, right now I feel that in order for me to accomplish what I'm interested in and this is a, I don't have to do this is a process of something that I just feel that I'm being called to do at this time. So I saw you guys were associated with the hall moving group and I was actually. I don't know if you've ever seen that photograph of a Holomovement group, all of that, but I'm way in the top, in the center there. That was me. I'm in that picture. So that was the first gathering of all this, all these people doing this kind of work. And I've been watching what you've been doing for a while and when I looked at how I want to create a website, it's, I like the style of what, how you work, but obviously you probably have a lot of people on your team that do WordPress sites and all sorts of different design work and all sorts of different things like that as a, you know, the leader of this group or collaborator. So this is this, you started this company or is it. You're okay yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: Yep.

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Randall Libero: It's good for you. Good for you.

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James Redenbaugh: Thank you. My baby.

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Randall Libero: And.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, listening to you. Sounds like you must be a Marshall McLuhan fan.

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Randall Libero: I know of him way back in the day. I'm probably reading his stuff before you were even born. I was aware of him, yeah. The book that changed me is a book called Expanded Cinema that came out in 1970 by Gene Youngblood. That's the book I was reading in high school. It's got an introduction by Buckminster Fuller and talked about all sorts of forms of media and how they were really impacting our consciousness and how film is really. When we watch a movie in a movie theater or just whatever, our mind and brain goes into an altered state of consciousness. I had a long conversation about this with Joe Dispenza back in the day. He never talked about it before, but I got him to talk about it. But I worked with him for a few years establishing. Actually, I designed and wrote a lot of the content on his. Well, his first interactive media website. He had a basic website, but I knew the people, Betsy and Will, who produced the film that he was in. What the bleep? They're friends of mine, and. And they said, joe needs some help with his stuff online. Can you help him? And I said, yeah, I can do that. And he didn't know what to do. He really didn't know what to do. He said, what do I do with all these emails I get? And I said, well, you get in front of a camera once a month and answer your emails on questions and charge people for it. He said, can I do that? And I said, yeah, you can. So, you know, stuff like that. People had no idea back in the day. And, you know, I designed, like, the first media strategies which basically connected all the points of presence on the Internet for people and allowed them to manage where their content was and to make sure they maintain control of it, which is a big thing that I did back in early days for people. So I can sit here and tell you stories, but I really want to find out how. I mean, I read on your website how you guys work with people like me. And. And let me just kind of tell you what the mission of this website is, because I'm very oriented towards what is the point of all this stuff. And you kind of have to get used to my sense of humor. And look at. I'm. I'm a producer. I'm used to working with teams. I'm used to working with, you know, time, effort, and money and get it down and you know, get the job done and know where you're going and all this other stuff. So it's just kind of the way my brain works. I'm a, I'm a, you know, I'm a very, the way I work is very industry, media, industry related in terms of film, television. That's because that's how I learned. So my mission for this is, you know, what's the point of it? Who's the audience kind of a thing? Who's it for? So my mission personally is to communicate my expertise as producer, writer, independent journalist and to tell my personal story of lifelong interest in the influence of media on people, culture, consciousness, you know, from the earliest forms of mass media to the present day, current AI period that's now emerging or now upon us. So that's where, you know, the point of all this and where this is going. And, and I really feel that's a voice that's needed. So I'm producing myself, which is something that I did before. I did a talk show called Spirit of Film Conversations for six years on the Voice America platform, which is now gone. And so this is, you know, approaching this from looking at the purpose of a website and hearing what you've heard so far. What would, what's your first initial thoughts about what this website would be, how it would work and so forth. I want to hear because you know, your expertise is from the website design perspective. You've heard, you've heard my spiel.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Randall Libero: What are you, what are you thinking now at this early stage of our conversation?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So first of all, a little background on me. I got my start 16, 17 years ago while I was in architecture school and loved architecture. Always wanted to be an architect, but started coming across people like Bucky fuller and Marsha McLuhan and then Ken Wilbur and my mom showing me videos like what the bleep And. And found integral and evolutionary enlightenment.

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Randall Libero: Yep.

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James Redenbaugh: Consciousness. And realized, wait a minute, there's a lot more going on here than they make it seem.

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Randall Libero: And when did that awakening happening for you? How old were you?

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James Redenbaugh: I was 1920.

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Randall Libero: Good for you. That I wish that had happened to me at 19:20.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I was lucky. I was real lucky to have a mom who had, you know, had a spiritual teacher in the 70s and lived in Mexico and, you know, had a natural food store chain in Atlanta and yeah. And then, you know, lucky to just happen to encounter the right people at the right time and realize that there was so Much more to learn than I could ever hope to learn in a four year degree. And the people I wanted to learn from didn't need architecture, they needed websites and brands and technical consulting. So I started doing that and I got to be really picky about who I worked with because I figured out how to not need a lot of things, a lot of wonderful people and wonderful organizations and everybody always in this intersection of creativity, co creation, community, consciousness, interest, objectivity. You know, I'm most interested in the people that are interested in the, in between individuals, you know, not just our ideas, but what's happening in culture, how does time move, you know, what is, what's behind matter, what goes into the ways that we as groups think about our world and understand it and you know, how can we influence that? And media is one of the hugest parts of that.

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Randall Libero: You know, it's becoming the most prominent part of that is how we interact, communicate. It's back in my early days I used to think, you know, movies and media are affecting the way we think, live, relate and dream. And I boiled it down to that phrase. And I've been saying that for many years. And sometimes, you know, I'll say that on an interview and people ask, how do you define, well, look at what's going on today. How much time do you spend looking at a screen? And one of the questions I asked in an interview I did with Jody Crangle is how did the human mind get used to looking at screens and trusting them when you think about that? Because I remember my parents generation, I'm your mom's generation, so I remember my parents generation and they didn't grow up with anything. They had movies and radio shows and newspapers and books. There was no connection between, you know, you went here to get that, you went to the library. You know, they lived in the analog world, so their whole perspective on reality was very different. And I grew up, you know, around that. And then in my lifetime we saw everything from, I mean, I remember going to the World's Fair in 64, 65, and my brother and I got on the video phone and the, you know, and the Bell systems and we thought that was the coolest thing. Hey, we're going to be able to make video phone calls when we get to be older and that's cool. So we saw this technology coming. But here's the thing that I realized as I got older and worked in the industry is that what were shown and what were promised, as far as what the Future was supposed to be. We didn't get it. We didn't get that future. And why. What's happening today in terms of. To talk about the political spectrum and other things is the reason why. So now we've had this because of the convict is what I call it, thing that happened in 2020. It caused everybody to go inward, and it changed people as far as their perspective because they start they were forced to use the Internet more and more to do business, to relate, to, meet people, to do networking, to do all this other stuff. So the future that was supposed to happen is now kind of the conversation. That's the way I see it. Like, why didn't this happen? And why do we have an irs and why do we have all these systems that we don't need? And why do we have these people stealing all this money? So everyone's starting to question everything. And it's like, if you ask your mom, it's like, yeah, question authority. Question everything. Don't trust the status quo. So these are the kind of things that are the conversation now in media circles and the people in the spiritual communities and like the Holomovement communities. These are the kind of things because we had a spiritual awakening. We became aware of this early on. I mean, I work for the u. S. State department media division, and I knew that all the stuff were doing was all propaganda, was all. It was lies. And it's like, you know, well, I'm getting paid for this. And, you know, you find yourself, you know, I don't want to leave this job. It's paying me a lot of money. So what we. What I did, and I'm sure a lot of other people did, was say, what can I do to kind of make this as good as I can make it? What can I do to set things right? And to start, you know, it was like I was writing. When I was writing news for cbs, I'd take the AP and reuters story and I'd rewrite them and take the emotional stuff out of it, the lies out of it, and rewrite the opening line so it doesn't, you know, it's not a gut punch line, and rewrite it, go tell what the facts are, what is the story. So all of us are forced into doing things like that. And that's a process. And this is, you know, and I learned. My wife and I both learned from a master from India. We received shakyapat and kundalini and the whole nine yards, and, you know, the consciousness open. And when I. When that happened to me, When I had a direct spiritual experience of things, that's when my life changed. And I basically left what I was doing in LA completely. It dropped it completely. I sold everything. I dropped. My people thought I was crazy. And I said, I can't do this anymore. It's not me. So this transformation that's happening in the world is now coming through the media spectrum, and it's coming through the work that you're doing and your team is doing. And how do we tell stories, how do we process information, how do we connect with people we know? I know people all over the world. I know people who started the Gaia platform. I know, you know, it's all this stuff. I've been in this, you know, in the spectrum for a long time. I started the Unity Churches Radio Network, you know, so, you know, trying to fit all of that into a website, it's like, I don't know. I'm not sure. And, you know, I've talked to a few web designers on projects that I've worked with, and when I read what was on your site, I thought, maybe I should talk to those guys, because they seem to get what people like me are about, because I can see the work that they're doing. So I'm glad to hear your story, and God bless your mom for, you know, showing you some things when you were young. And as you get older, you're going to appreciate that she did that a hell of a lot more than you do now, let me tell you. Well, we're in this. We're in this movie for about the next seven years, until about 2032. So just, you know, people are going to have to get used to it. We thought it was going to be over quick. It's not. And that's something that I saw, and then I've heard confirmed by Guru Nath and a lot of other people that are talking about this. It's just that the way that, you know, the cycles of time and all the other stuff that's going on. All right, well, I've talked a lot about enough, but let's talk about your business. And now that we've gotten to know each other a little bit. Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: So, okay. What I love about websites is they're an opportunity to create a new medium, essentially. You know, they're. They're less constrained than a newspaper and a photograph and a film and a YouTube video because, you know, especially now, we can create novel ways of engaging the user, and they're both p. Passive and active. We can give a user something to consume, but we can also invite them to engage and explore. And it's, you know, we spend so much time online in, I'm on a.

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Randall Libero: Call that, yeah, it's in my wallet. Sorry, my wife is asking me something.

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James Redenbaugh: No problem. We spend so much time online in spaces that are designed to, you know, if they're not overtly designed to control us, they're designed for efficiency and you know, ease and speed and it's unideal for human connection and for learning and for new ideas and for inspiration. But I've studied a lot of design, a lot of art, a lot of geometry and I see, you know, lists and grids dominating the space. And lists and grids are good for certain things. You know, the Romans used them a lot to do a lot of things. And so the, you know, creating a fresh website gives us an opportunity to, to break out of that and do the unexpected.

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Randall Libero: Right. That's what I, that's what I like, you know, traditional website stuff. I see. I, I, I, I'm, it's really refreshing to hear someone like yourself who works in this industry to kind of see that, you know, it's just the way I felt about looking at media and media channels because I had a, you know, I, I built players for video that were interactive when there wasn't any. So it's like I have the idea, can you build it? And I had coders and designers and you know, at this company. And so I said yeah, they did stuff and you know, it didn't exist before. So I think, you know, from, you're seeing that same thing with websites that, you know, basically, you know, a bunch of boxes stuck together and text and all the other things. You have the same kind of concept that websites are still on their infancy because to me a website is a way to tell a story, to get to know a person and to open your mind to new ideas and new possibilities. Something you didn't think of before. And so that's kind of what the approach that I'm hoping for. I mean I, I've been, I've got a lot of writing to go on it and sections, but I'm not sure if I'm going to need it all. But so what would help me is, and I wrote down some notes for myself. I'll tell them to you show. So as I said before, the first thing, I think that people don't know me because I'm a behind the scenes guy. So basically establishing my credibility story and pictures and Video, that's one thing. And I can send you these interviews in the site I'm doing and I have done, I've talked to Oscar winning producers, filmmakers, people in the industry, some of my accomplishments, things that became to tell that story. If you read my bio, you're going to get that, just like I'm telling you. And the way you understand this, because it's your personality as well, is you can see things before a lot of other people see them. You can see trends coming and you can see where something can be rethought or, you know, redesigned to make it better and make it work better in terms of all this technology. And that's one of the faults that I see with AI because all the AI I've worked with so far is stupid. It can't write, it can't edit, it can compile information. It's good at that. But it doesn't understand human language. You have to write in prompt language and then it rewrites what you write. So this is not working for people. I mean, I'm a big. I have a. The original Webster Dictionary from 1828 is in a digital copy. I don't use Google Dictionary. I hate it because it doesn't go back to the source meaning of words. So words are really important. More, they become more important than people realize in all this. Let's just say infiltration of language that we've had through, you know, through culture, trying to corrupt the way that people communicate is another thing that people don't realize is words are really important. They have power. Matter of fact, another thing that people don't know is the reason why Webster felt he had to create the dictionary because he had to create a dictionary for the American language, not the British language. So it needed. So the American language words have different meanings. They don't mean the same in other cultures. And you know, he saw that he was a, you know, just like you and me. He saw that there was a need for this to establish that. And if you read the preface to the 1828 dictionary, I can send you a link to it if you're interested to have a copy of it.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, please.

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Randall Libero: And read and read that. Read his original intention for this dictionary to exist, why it needed to exist. And we really need to restore our confidence in our language. It's one of the things I was writing the other day about, you know, what is the purpose of this website. So I've thought a lot about it. So the other thing is the kind of Subjects that we're talking about is the kind of things I'm going to be doing interviews on my show. And I produced over. Just so you know, I produced over 200 podcasts, developed and produced them for clients, and about 20 to 25 of those individually have done over a million downloads. I basically started an immediate, you know, career for a lot of people. Like some. I mentioned a lot. I haven't a lot of people you would know. They're just experts in their fields, you know, business thought leaders or whatever, like Brett King or, you know, people like that. I did I look for new subject matter before anybody was doing anything on it. Like, I did a show on cyber security back in 2013. Who knew what cyber security was? Who knew what fintech was? Nobody. So those kinds of things that it's kind of. I see stuff before, like you, where something needs to be changed. I think websites are really important and they need to be more interactive and they need to allow people. It's like the way that I see you design websites is they have this visual flow to them. A website you really might enjoy is have you seen the website for Stanley Kubrick? So look up the official website for Stanley Kubrick, because I think you'd enjoy looking at that site. He's. My favorite film was 2001 A Space Odyssey, which is on the poster behind me over there, which I'm going to see actually in a couple of weeks, or it's releasing it and see it on the big curved screen again, thank God, because, you know, it's the only way to see it. So that movie in its day was a. What I called, you know, a disruptor in consciousness. Because if you watch that film carefully, you see all the angles. People seem to move and defy gravity and all sorts of things on that film.

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James Redenbaugh: It's funny, in architecture school one semester, we had to pick a film that became the basis for the whole semester. All the work we did in architecture school was about one film. And my film was 2001 A Space Odyssey.

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Randall Libero: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: So I've seen it hundreds of times and picked apart every frame and made models of the spaceships and everything.

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Randall Libero: Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of people who have done that. It's. It's the film that influenced Steve Jobs the most in terms of everything, graphic design, the way he looks at, you know, design. Because you see things that Apple created that were in that movie. The little pads, you know, they're watching the astronauts are watching the pads. And he thought, wow, maybe we can actually make that for real? Oh yeah. So that film had a big influence on a lot of people. That's why I like studying it and I've had some original thoughts about it and. Which I'll release in an interview. I have a, an interview I did with Kirtle and gary lockwood in 2010 that I've never released. And they say some things on that I asked them that they usually don't talk about like Kubrick destroying all the other footage from the film that they had shot. He only wanted the film to exist. And there was a reason for that. He did that for Clockwork Orange too. He did, you know, a lot of his movies. He didn't want people digging into how he did things. He only wanted the end result to exist. So that's a really interesting point of view to do that to your work. Destroy all the previous versions of it. Anyway, so this is a great website. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that cool? I thought you'd like looking at that because it tells the story of all his movies. As you scroll down, it goes into each film and everything. It's kind of. I thought that might, you'd enjoy that design.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, wonderful.

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Randall Libero: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: So putting your expertise and yourself out there, what's the call to action? What's the offer look like?

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Randall Libero: I'm not sure at this point. The only thing that I'd like this to do is I'm going to be putting out a book probably early next year. Big, you know, a book. So what? But really I'm more interested in just being an expert and maybe going out on the lecture circuit. That's more initially where I want to, you know, all these conversations about AI and media. Matter of fact, I'm part of a group here. There's a book coming out in just a few weeks which is a very forward thinking book about artificial intelligence written by a friend of mine and I'm part of her group. And we're going to do a symposium in about two weeks and film a lot of interviews there. And I'm kind of the media person in the group. We have a neuroplasticity expert, we have psychology expert, you know, all sorts of people that are in part of this technology. And because you see what's happening right now with Apple wanting to put open AI into their stuff, that presents a huge issue in terms of copyright infringement and basically a violation of the first and fourth amendments of the Constitution in terms of intellectual property. And because everything that anyone writes on An Apple device is going to go into their AI because it's connected to the Internet and it's going to cause a tremendous problem in terms of ownership of content. And people are already up in arms about it in certain business circles internationally. So you see that what's going on right now in terms of media and technology, you know, all this was, I saw this long time ago. It was heading somewhere that wasn't good. And now that I see an emotional, deranged person like Sam Altman running open AI, you know, we have, we've got a big problem because it's what you're programming has, it's the people who are programming the AI to do what it's doing. It's not the AI's problem. And so this is, this is the real issue because that's, you know, it's the mindset of the people programming it and their intentions is causing the problems. So now it's resulted in the situation. So imagine that anything that you write that you want to keep private, unless you were completely offline, you won't be able to think of what that will do. And people haven't even hit that one yet. They don't realize that's what's going on. They're all, hey, I like to do it talking to my phone and having, you know, cell phones are going to be obsolete in five years or less. So this constantly carrying around, walking around with a device like that, it's gonna, you know, that those are going to be gone. So, so people don't realize, you know, how much this is affecting everything in our world. Which is why I feel that, you know, hey, it's time for me to get out there and talk about it. All right, so let's cover some business stuff before we take up too much time yakking. Any job.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Randall Libero: So I understand how you work with this. Tell me about. So we have an idea. So you obviously probably have an intake form for me fill out and I have questions about hosting. Where's the site Hosted. SEO. Your creative process in doing this. What do you need from me? I mean, I have pictures and a lot of text, but, you know, what I'm looking for from you is really some kind of a sensible design that works with, you know, it looks kind of a little cinematic, a little elegant. It has a certain style to it, the show. And I'm going to tell you kind of the title of the show, which you have to keep Completely confidential. I trust you to do that. The title of the show is called Media Semicolon. Expanded Media. Expanded. So that gives you an idea of, you know, through the title, where my mind is at in terms of what I mean by expanded. And it's kind of the things that we've been discussing and people don't even understanding that, like I said, they have the real life and the screen world. So you've got to really, in your real life, you have to manage and, you know, screen life. And there's one person out there who was talking about some of these ideas that I know who's actual filmmaker. So. And she's very well known and she's out there and you know, doing that stuff and it's known about her and remember where she started too, long time ago. So I'm stepping into this and one of the things that looking at, you know, understand how shows get out there and how they become popular and what makes them popular. So all of that I have no worries about, you know, what I have to do with things. But so tell me about. Do you work in Framer webflow? What do you build sites on? What are you using? So I kind of understand because what I would like you to do is build the. The framework for the site and then I will go on and add the content and play around with it. It's just my process of thinking about what needs to be on this page and what do I need to communicate. And those are the things that take time for me to kind of go through my process and how much needs to be on there and editing the text and the pictures. You don't need to do all that. So I'll stop talking and you can pick it up.

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James Redenbaugh: We use a lot of different platforms and technologies and we have a lot of different specialists, from design to development to photo, video, animation, whatever is needed. My favorite platform is webflow. We do a ton on webflow. I love it because it's.

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Randall Libero: It.

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James Redenbaugh: We can develop really fast on there. It's really robust. We don't have any plugins to update or themes or anything like that. And there's no limit to what we can do. We can integrate more advanced animations and motion and interaction and things like that. But we can build on Framer, we can build in Squarespace, we can build in WordPress. It depends on what's needed. You know, we. We tend to use Figma as a design tool, which is a great space to play in. It's a lot more malleable than A web platform, webflow. For somebody who's not super familiar with webflow. Have you, have you used it before?

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Randall Libero: I know about it. You know, I've not built a website in any of these because to me when I see, you know, you have to know where all the buttons are and doing things and. Yeah, I'm not interested in that. But I do understand the, you know, as long as I can drag and drop and cut and paste and that kind of a thing, that's fine for me. I don't, you know, I could sit there and educate myself, but I'm just, I'm not interested. It's not my thing. And I've learned in profession, my careers don't do things that you have to have a big learning curve on. Get somebody else to do it and delegate. Yeah, that's just.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, but you have some experience with HTML css.

00:39:01

Randall Libero: Yeah, I know CSS and editing code and that kind of thing. I just prefer not to do that. You don't need to do that these days. So for example, there's, there is just taking something because I know, you know, the tools today are available. Like if I gave you a website, you could just take a tool and clone the thing and start working with it. I mean that saves you a heck of a lot of time. So those kinds of things I know are possible but. And so there is a site that I like. Actually it's kind of funny because it's very similar to your name. If you go to Iris. Iris-films.com this is a. There's a film company. So I've looked at a lot of sites. This is kind of where my mind is starting from. I don't particularly like, you know, the boxes on this site, but it has the, you know, the cinematic header. It's got some, you know, breakdown of, you know, three things. One, two, three. But the rest of it, in terms of how the site looks, it's very repetitive and redundant in the navigation which I don't like. I want something that's kind of more like the Holomovement site but just to kind of give you a. I like if you go to. There's a show I listen to. I don't know if you know who rich roll is. Rich R I C H R O L L richroll.com so he does a talk show and this is kind of eventually what, you know, I like the header and the, you know, the cinematic header and featuring the interviews and that kind of a thing. And then more about him in the book and all that, below the book. I don't. I don't like the site, but I do want a cinematic header on it because it's just very. I'm a producer, and it's got a. You know, it's got a. You have some moving visuals in there that just makes. Gives. It gives me credibility to have that kind of a thing. But I'm gonna be making a film like what he has, which is about him and what he does, and. And so you'll see me in the studio and editors with, you know, pictures people, me with famous people and blah, blah, blah. All that business, which I have, all that. So, you know, there'll be that and then, you know, a floating menu over that or some other. But I thought, why just lock myself into this? What can. Anything can be done. So now you looked at the Stanley Kubrick site. I don't want to go that far. That's crazy. I don't need to, because it's, you know, it's confusing for people. It's too confusing. But, you know, anyone who goes on the Kubrick site, they know is going to spend some time being there, so that's why they can do what they do. It's sort of. I know my audience. I know what I'm trying to get across, and I don't want to do that to them. I want to make it easy to kind of have them learn about me, you know, in short tidbits. And if they want to go deeper, they can. That kind of a thing. So the splash page will be everything on the site condensed down into, you know, a little bit of scrolling, and then beyond that is the individual pages, like the about page. So I've kind of designed a menu to start with, which is basically an intro, and then the media expanded page, and then a bio page, a speaking page, and a page I call Writing on, which is about writing and thoughts and ideas, like a blog. So it's pretty simple. Doesn't have to be very complicated at first. I think the initial site should be pretty brief in terms of what's there. And as time goes on, we will add more and so on and so forth as I think something needs to be added to it. So I don't know. So that's kind of. Those two sites are kind of where I've ended up, but more, I would say it's more like as a starting point, the rich roll site. But, you know, the page that I really like on the. The Holomovement site, the way it looks and feels. And I say if there's. If there's any kind of thing that you've done that I could say this is kind of what my. I want my site to be more like, is on the main hall moving page. If you go explore the wave. That section, the one on the right. Yeah, the global shift. And then you scroll down and there's a welcome, and then there's photos, and then there's, you know, a little bit more information. There's some design elements to it, and then there's some things. And, you know, at the bottom of it is, you know, as the author there and a picture of him and then more about him. That's kind of what the way that the top of that works where it's got pieces that come in, and maybe some of those can be. If you move your mouse around, they're clickable and you go to that section or something like that, but sort of you don't have an interactivity to it. And I thought maybe making. If things can kind of stick a little bit for the people, give people enough time to click on them or something like that. And that's kind of what I imagine what my cinematic header would be like. It's got some, you know, things in there that would be the sections on the site floating around and locking, you know, the way you can click on them or something like that. You know, make it a little fun for people to poke around on it. Then they start, you know, free. All the sites really interactive. I can play around with this. So something like that. And you can just.

00:45:29

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:45:30

Randall Libero: Do what you're. Yeah, that's got some moving, like the text there's. Right. And so you have. You're good with that. That kind of stuff where you've got some. So it's sort of. I want, you know, like an interactive game. You can kind of play around with it a little bit, and it does things. And I don't want too much of that. I want people to actually sit there and read what's there and not play around with it too much. But I know you can build stuff as, you know, animations and graphics and things like that. So, yeah, the site that I like in your. In your offerings here, let me go back to your website. The Pamela. The Pamela side. Some of the things that you did there with design.

00:46:27

James Redenbaugh: This is a new page we're working on. Yeah, Pamela's site.

00:46:36

Randall Libero: Yeah, it's kind of. That's out of the work that you've done. I like the Holomovement Insider and I Like hers, but know she's just, she's a personality. So it's like, you know, she's got that section which tells, you know, this is what I'm about kind of a thing.

00:46:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, this was really fun.

00:46:54

Randall Libero: Yeah. So stuff like that's probably the closest. So my sections will be like that where you've got that menu right there that, you know, they kind of move around. But like I said, I don't want people playing with it too much. I just wanted to go and actually read the thing. So that's kind of, you know, keeping it simple. Like the Rich Roll site and a little bit of the Pamela's site. It's kind of something around in, in there. So those are the things that I've like that I see the design work. But on the Hall Movement site you've got the podcast section in that and I would, it's good, I would do that a little differently. So, you know, we'll talk about the pieces of this. Anyway, I want to get. What time is it? My clock. Oh, it's all right. I want to spend more. So. So tell me about where we go from here. What you need from me. Talk to me about your business model, pricing, time, you know, this kind of thing.

00:48:12

James Redenbaugh: So we like to think about four things at once. You know, content and strategy.

00:48:22

Randall Libero: Right.

00:48:24

James Redenbaugh: Vision and brand, you know, overall purpose. Also the generation of the palette and the assets that can be used for the website, but also anything else and then the design process of the site itself and then development. And so all projects like this have all four of these components and often they overlap. But we build our projects to kind of fit together like that and we may bring on different people for different parts, but most of the time the folks that we bring in are multi talented and their skills will scan multiple parts and we have different processes for all four of those things depending on how deep you want to go into any one domain. I always recommend like taking time up front to really look at the brand together, explore visual possibilities before we tie ourselves down to the technical look at forms and geometries and play with shapes and colors and see what they bring out.

00:49:37

Randall Libero: Right. The idea, working with the ideas first. That's why I like, while we're talking because I see that you spend a good amount of time thinking through what is, here's the person and how do you take who they are and what they do and turn it into something visual. And that's, you know, that's to me it's like you've got a. You got a script for a video, and now you've got to imagine what's going to be in that video, then how it's going to look. And you've kind of got to. For me, I work in, like a reverse process. What does the finished product look like in my head? And then you got to start figuring out the element. So. Yeah, and I don't have. I mean, I have ideas for a logo, how I want it to look, you know, but I'm open to your ideas. You know, I have a few people that I trust that I work with. Stuff like, you know, my friend who's a designer, filmmaker, graphic designer. He's worked on stuff for, like, Star Trek and all the other business. So he does all the advanced CGI work. So those kinds of things I have resources for. So, something like this process in terms of stock time, effort and money. So in terms of the time, how long do you think that now that you see who I am and heard my story and do all the other stuff, what do you. What, what's a. What's a projected time frame? Do you think that's realistic in terms of doing something like this?

00:51:02

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it depends how big a project you want to make it and how schedules happen to align. But generally two to four months is a good timeline.

00:51:14

Randall Libero: Okay.

00:51:16

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, more. Ideally more towards 2, but things can make it longer, for sure.

00:51:25

Randall Libero: Yeah. Now, I know around this time, the end of the year, people's schedules get a little. A little tighter because they're involved in all sorts of family things and all the other business.

00:51:36

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:51:36

Randall Libero: Does your. Are you still close to you? Still close to your mom? Is, I mean, do you live in. Is she close to you or do you have to travel?

00:51:44

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I've moved back to Philly in the last couple years after living in the mountains of California for a long time. And so we're very close by. And I'm getting married in two and a half weeks.

00:51:57

Randall Libero: You're getting married in two and a half weeks?

00:51:59

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:52:00

Randall Libero: Congratulations. Congratulations. That's great. Good for you. And you're how old now at 35? That's a good time to do it. Yeah, Yeah. I got married at 38, so. Done with all the other stuff. Good for you. I'm glad to hear that you've got this. It's important for a man to have a very stable home life, and it really helps. And it helps the head. You're done chasing, you know what. So, yeah, good Glad to hear that.

00:52:39

James Redenbaugh: Do you have a sense of a timeline?

00:52:43

Randall Libero: Yeah, I kind of was thinking, I thinking. I was originally thinking the fall for this, but now I'm thinking the speed of what I'm as other things happening in my life with this group, with my AI friends. You know, I want to see where that's going first. So maybe at beginning of next year it's 2026. Once we get out of this 2025 madness and what's going on in the world I think will be a little bit clearer by then and people will be ready for something to. And they'll, I think over the next few months there's going to be a lot happening with everything that's going on. So probably I think two to four months is a good window to kind of for me to also get clear on exactly how I want to start this and launch it and what it's going to look like and all the other stuff. So I'm hoping that time that, you know, we're collaborating is going to be very helpful for me to really. Okay. You know, I need to kind of. It's like taking all the things that I don't need to do away and getting down to what exactly is this that I'm going to be doing. It's funny because I've done this for so many people, but doing it for myself. I'm such a, I'm gonna use a bad word here, perfectionist about what I do. I'm very detail oriented about stuff. So it's a little bit of a different challenge. It's a process of self discovery. I mean, I'm just learning things about myself. So that's kind of the way I see this and actually wrote something for the people on the website is, you know, what is my intention with the show? What do I want out of it? I'm being very public about it. I'm being very transparent about what I'm doing. It's, I don't, you know, I don't like to fool people or think, you know, I have an agenda about something. It's just I see that if I can serve the greater good. Matter of fact, one of my affirmations and thoughts, I have it right in front of me here is I keep strongly in my mind the divine principle of serving the good of humanity with what I create. It's, I feel, it's what I said interviews is that as producers and everyone's a producers are, you know, we have to Be responsible to our audience with what we create, which we're. They're taking the time to watch and listen to what we're doing and we have to make their lives better. If you don't have that intention as a creator, then why are you doing what you're doing? You know, were you doing it for money or ego or what. What is the purpose of it? So I'm going to challenge people. I am not. I don't care what people think about what I say or who I am or what I just, you know, this is what I know and I'm going to talk about it with. With the authority that I have and the experiences that I have from the perspectives so I have. That's kind of my attitude with it is to kind of. I'm that kind of a person. So anyway, let's get back to the business conversation. So what. What are we talking about? Your efforts. I kind of understand. So where. What. What's the. What's the contract on this? What do you guys need up front. Up front for me and so on and so forth in terms of that? Do you. Do you. Do we have. Do you have an actual contract, A boilerplate that you could send me? I mean these kinds of things that are, you know.

00:56:12

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Usually I put a proposal together with different options that lay out some possibilities like small, medium and large.

00:56:21

Randall Libero: Okay.

00:56:22

James Redenbaugh: So you can get a sense of like what. What an MVP style approach would look like and what a deeper dive, taking more time to make things really great would look like. And that explains a lot about the process.

00:56:37

Randall Libero: Okay. Yeah. And now that.

00:56:42

James Redenbaugh: Of a budget range you want to work within.

00:56:45

Randall Libero: I think that I'd like to keep it really simple at first, not start with something that's got too much interactivity on it. Just basically a couple of steps beyond a simple website as things as we learn what's needed on it and what I want to do with it. But the only thing is communicating what the messaging and what the brand is. But I do. The only stipulation I want is we're going to have some kind of a cinematic hitter on it. That's as far as I got in my thought process. So I would keep it pretty simple at first. I remember the early when you first launched the Holland Movement site. It wasn't like it is now. It was a lot simpler than what you added a lot to it. That. The process of. Of what that was.

00:57:47

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. We were then every. Every month we're always.

00:57:50

Randall Libero: Yeah. And I met and. And what's the author's name again? I'm just throwing a blank. What's his name? The guy who wrote the book I got. It's right over on my shelf here. The home.

00:58:03

James Redenbaugh: Emmanuel. Emmanuel.

00:58:06

Randall Libero: Emmanuel. Right. So, yeah, I remember when were at the. The first Holomovement group and I met. And I met him. We talked, we Talked for about 20 minutes once, you know who I was. And, and he was asking me a lot of questions about media and stuff like that. And I think he took some of the conversation that we had that actually went into what the site ended up as. So it's kind of funny, you know, when I saw that I went, okay, well that's there and that's there. I did that for so many people. Yeah, but with, with us is. I'm. I'd rather hear what your ideas are. I, I'm. I'm really. Yeah, I really. I love to collaborate. I love working with people. I trust people on my team to do things that I would never think of that I could, you know, that would never occur to me. I wouldn't do it that way. So never feel that anything that you come up with or thought this would be really good to use on Randall site is just tell me about it. I have, I, you know, that's the way I work with team. I want my. I want my team to do everything better than I can do it. You know, I only know so much. I've got, you know, so much stuff that I've now and done it this way and you know, I don't want to do it that way and I want something different. So that's what I'm going to be looking to you for and your team. To say this, you know, I'm a very unique, you know, Bird. There's nobody like me. If there was somebody like me, they, somebody would already be doing the show. But there's no one out there doing it. So I think it might be end up being a really good example site for you as well to show off eventually once we get a little farther down the road. So what's the small, medium and large price points? Just kind of a ballpark that you can kind of give me an idea of what we're talking about.

01:00:27

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So our smallest package that includes everything from strategy, content, branding, design and development starts at 7,500. We can't. We sometimes abbreviate things if we feel like we want to kind of launch an MVP and then it goes up from there if we want to really take more time to do a more fuller brand guidelines or even more motion graphics or things like that.

01:00:59

Randall Libero: Right. Yeah, it's pretty reasonable. It's about what I expected, five to ten somewhere in there.

01:01:08

James Redenbaugh: But every proposal I make is really tailored to the project. So I'll review the transcript here and look at our process and.

01:01:19

Randall Libero: Right. Do you, what do you need in terms of writing and text from me? Do you want me just to send you things that kind of initially would have done. Not a lot. Maybe a couple of pages or something or just some concepts or.

01:01:33

James Redenbaugh: Sure, yeah. If you think it'd be helpful for me to better understand the project. Okay.

01:01:40

Randall Libero: All right. I'll look through what I've got out. I won't. It won't be a lot. I'm not going to send you like a photo portfolio. Mostly it's going to be the general ideas that I want to get across on the site and I have to sit and kind of really. I've been toning that down the past week more and more in preparation for our conversation just to get it clear in my mind. And once I get through a little bit of that, I'll send you a couple of pages of text. So it's something. So you have something that's clear in front of you and you can refer to just from, you know, the words you're going to start working with. So you kind of understand, but you kind of get, you know, from what I said, a number of things I said, but I'll just send you that writing so you can sit there and look at it and say, okay, well, this has got to look like this. So here's a little design piece, something I did, I had somebody do years ago. Kind of. I don't know where the camera is going to focus on that area. Okay.

01:02:44

James Redenbaugh: Huh.

01:02:45

Randall Libero: So that's kind of where I started from. If, I don't know, if I get closer. But I can, I can snapshot some of these things so you can see. It was just, you know, that's years ago. This is like 2008. I kind of like it. You know, it was kind of at the time it fit design. But things are, you know, Texas different.

01:03:11

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:03:12

Randall Libero: Different today. But yeah, if you think of 2001 and kind of the feel of that film, that's for me, the way it, you know, people were like, I should send you my little write up on it. You'd probably enjoy it. I'm going to publish it. It's only, it's only about three or four paragraphs. But how I see that film in a way that I don't. No one has ever seen it that way, but I know a lot about it in this production, all sorts of things. And we could have some fun conversation. And I'm going to be doing a couple of shows on it.

01:03:50

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

01:03:51

Randall Libero: Putting that video out. All right. Thank you for your time. It's nice getting to know you and to know how you where you come from and your family. And tell your mom that God bless her for getting telling you things that wake you up at an early age.

01:04:16

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, sure.

01:04:18

Randall Libero: Tell her good job with that.

01:04:20

James Redenbaugh: Thank you so much. Yeah, wonderful. Well, I'll definitely be in touch and I look forward to learning more and hope to talk to you again soon.

01:04:29

Randall Libero: Okay. James, good. Pleasure meeting you.

01:04:33

James Redenbaugh: Take care.

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