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James Redenbaugh: Sa.

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Shamini Jain: Hello? Hi, Carrie. Sorry, I'm like looking to see if James is.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Oh, it was so weird. I confirmed the meeting with you immediately and then I couldn't find the link again.

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Shamini Jain: I wonder if that's what happened because.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: When I did the search, I couldn't. It didn't come up.

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Shamini Jain: So did the meeting too, so. That's odd. It's in my calendar. I wouldn't know.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: I have total dyslexia today. Time zone. Dyslexia. Chris was like supposed to be on the call. I was like, what?

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Shamini Jain: When?

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Okay, am I meeting Chamonix? You know, it's like. But yeah, no problem.

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Shamini Jain: Let me close out all these windows that are opening and distracting me. Excuse me, can I get a glass of water? I'll be right back.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Shamini Jain: Ah. Well, I don't know what happened to him. I sent a note saying, are we meeting? To both of you and put the link in there, so hopefully he'll join us. But how are you doing? Sounds like it's your last day of meetings before you.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Well, you know what, it's like Shamini when you're. When you people realize that you're leaving. Then I got all these last minute things and today, you know, I have a potential client and he was like, can you meet today? I didn't realize you're leaving. And so like, of course. So I. I'm. I'm still in my gym gear.

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Shamini Jain: That's good though. That's good. I know. I saw that. That's nice. You don't have to. Okay, he's here. I'm going to let him in.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Okay, cool.

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Shamini Jain: And then, you know, we'll. We'll be as expedient as we can after. Just because I know you're under the gun and I have some thoughts. I don't want to freak any of us out and stress us out, you know, it's not the point. Hey, James, how are you?

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James Redenbaugh: Hey guys, I'm so sorry. I just realized I was sitting in the wrong meeting room waiting for you guys.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: No problem.

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Shamini Jain: I was wondering. I said to Carrie, because she had some trouble too, finding the link, and I said something must be wrong, you know, because I know James would be here and anyway, we're all here. Thank you.

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James Redenbaugh: We're here.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: We made it. Hi, James. I'm Kerry. Nice to meet you.

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James Redenbaugh: Hi. Great to meet you. How are you?

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Dr Cari Leyshon: I'm great, thanks. I'm. I'm calling you from Spain, so it's still super hot here. You have hot weather too there. Where are You.

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James Redenbaugh: I'm in Philadelphia and it's still pretty warm.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, yeah. I think everybody's having quite, quite warm weather, which is nice.

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Shamini Jain: But yeah, shifting here in the Carolinas, it's actually very nice. It's in the 60s and 70s and sadly I've been enjoying with the top down on my car and all this and then I got this massive, like inflammation on my face and realized I thought it was hormones, you know, card carry. I was like, oh, my hormones must be taking. No, it's ragweed. It's ragweed. So I can't go outside and I'm like devastated because it's so nice out and I want to be outside and my face is like peeling and blistering and stuff like that. If I go out, it's not from an allergy, it's an allergy. I don't have any other allergy symptoms except for that.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Crazy.

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Shamini Jain: Because this is exposed, you know, it's like I want to go out with a mask. Well, there. That would be an interesting, like, take on, you know, I go out in a mask. Anyway, I'm really glad for you both to meet and I'm wondering, you know, you both know Chi. You. You've met me, obviously. I'm wondering if maybe it might be good to just give a really brief introduction to each of yourselves. You can kind of get to know your expertise, each of your expertise and my excitement for bringing us all together today. I think it'll become clearer as you both do a little bit of intro, if that's all right. Sure.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Great. James, you want to start?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I'm James. I run Iris Co Creative, which is a co creative design studio. And we do a whole bunch of different creative things. I say I'm a generalist and we're a generalist studio, but we focus a lot on brands and websites and animations and things like that. But where we get specific is who we work with. It's all folks that are doing good in the world in domains that have to do with consciousness, connection, people, the space between us, all the fun, fun stuff, mystical traditions and meditation teachers. And we've gotten to work with loads of wonderful people over the years. I couldn't be happier about it because that's what I love to learn in my life about all these things. There's so much to learn, it never ends. And we work with a number of talented people around the world that have different specialties depending on what's needed. And I bring them together. I tend to be in the middle of things and Seeing what's, what's right for what projects and make it happen. So yeah, I'm in the right now in Philly, in the midst of wedding planning and getting married not this weekend, but next weekend.

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Shamini Jain: Oh my gosh. Congratulations.

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James Redenbaugh: Thanks. So we're very excited and just running around doing all kinds of things for that, Getting things in order, building stuff. Yeah.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Oh, that's exciting. Congratulations. That's a really big step. So you're so. Thank you for your time today.

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James Redenbaugh: No problem.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, that's, that's super busy. No, it sounds like you're doing some great work, so thanks for sharing. So you've been doing mainly. Do you. And I think Shamini mentioned you do a lot of the UX design as.

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James Redenbaugh: Well or you do UX UI content, copy, video, whatever, everything.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Okay, great. And then I'll take a few minutes just to introduce why I think Shamini has introduced us. Well, I'm currently the CEO of Intellect Dynamics and that's a new position for me that came about because my published methodology was something that Chris, the CEO and founder of Intellect Dynamics said. Wow, if we can embed your methodology into our technology, then this is going to change the game for engagement and how knowledge is disseminated. And so we've, we are past MVP stage, partly in production and now we're testing how the processes are customized for, for Qi. The technology is. The company's been running for over 10 years and it's already in mission critical environments such as hospitals and it's rooted in Canada. And the partnership is really now about expanding because my experience is all around obviously the human experience, communication and really connecting people with the knowledge they need in the moment, which is called action learning. And that's a big differentiator than what we're doing to other, other platforms or other initiatives like that. So we're super excited to proposed partnership with CHI and help them become that edge walker of being something really unique in the space. As a seeker myself for that inner peace and, and common connection, it gets very difficult to find out which community you should be a part of. You know, I don't know about you, but I'm a part of so many different ones. I'm probably spending €400amonth on all the various communities and never get the full benefit of them. So I really wanted to fill that gap and I think that's very exciting, make that impact and we can do that with CHI being a leader in the content, providing their leading content provider and they have a really great obviously project going on with the biofield energy space. And I just think it's something that we can make a big impact on. So, you know, there's a lot of things that you can bring to, with your experience with consciousness and, and being in that space with other organizations. And for us, we've, we've done the, what do you call it, like, basic level of, okay, this is how things connect in the technology. And I think now it needs to have that, that feel to it where that community feel where people are coming in and they want, and they want to stay engaged. So visually. So I think that sums it up. Does it? Shamini, Did I miss anything?

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Shamini Jain: And if you don't mind, Carrie, if I might just give a little bit more context for James. So while the technology, the AI based technology itself has been proven out over the last 10 years in clinics and hospitals, this type of application of the technology is very much in prototype. Right? So like, we're literally building a prototype in partnership with QI and Intellect Dynamics Europe, which is, you know, Carrie's company, to develop the healing hub for qi, which is something I think I mentioned to you that we're very interested in. Carrie and I met at Deepak Chopra Sages and Scientists conference in Mallorca last fall and have been in conversation around this since. And so she has proposed this beautiful partnership with Chi, being again, the content creator. You know, we have the community, so it's really about how do we serve initially the existing community and then how do we grow the community, leveraging the, you know, things like the documentary and others. And as you know, you know, you were the first person that came to mind because I love what you have been doing to help support the holo movement, who has a very similar mission, you know, on the broader holo movement scale. And we consider ourselves part of that science and spirituality group within the hola movement. So we are interested in creating this prototype that we could launch by, formally launch publicly by the target is April of next year. So it's not a lot of time, but it is some time. We have basically working with the existing content we have. Because Chi's got so much content. There may be a few holes to fill here and there, but mostly we got the content right and Intellect Dynamics has the technology. But what I want to make sure we do and what I think the larger opportunity might be for you in Intellect Dynamics Europe, which is why I encourage Carrie to talk with you specifically, is even beyond Chi. So to think of Chi as the prototype, an example of how we're going to build and Grow communities with this beautiful AI based platform. Platform, but make it really visually engaging and get people to. Because we can have, you know, the greatest tech in the world on the back end. But if it's, if people aren't like drawn in to actually work with it, then it only goes so far. And so for me I was like, I really feel like we need to talk with James because I think he understands the space. He's got beautiful visuals in the way that he's engaging. So that's the purpose for it really is to explore your interest in this. And Carrie, I won't speak for you, but I think James, it may be important for James to understand where you're at as a company. With Intellect Dynamics Europe as part of the outgrowth of Intellects Dynamics, which is more established in Canada, this is kind of a newer venture that's implementing your technology. You're building prototypes just so James has a real clear idea of what the company is and where its funding support is at the moment and that kind of thing.

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Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah. So Intellect Dynamics Europe is the partnership between cqfi. So you can see some of our videos and everything if you go to cqfi.com and some of the content and, and I've written a book on culture based performance. Almost forgot the name. Yeah, yeah, it's like, whoa, whoa, what's going on? So we are in that. Well, we're not a startup because I've been going for five years, but this will be our first project of integrating my methodology in with the technology. The technology actually was tested. It came from a publicly traded company that did fan engagement and they put in about 5 million. So this is a massive, you know, this isn't a startup in that sense but what we're doing is pivoting the technology and ingraining the things that I feel are important that will really do with the engagement and the community building. So it's quite an interesting side to it because even though we're taking on new clients, we have a variety right now. We have a pharmaceutical company, an international school, we have chi, we have oil and gas industries, we have health and safety training. So we have all these companies now that we're onboarding for the vertical. So we need to do a fundraise really to add to our team. We have a full stack development team. Obviously Chris is, you know, who you'll meet has established, you know, they're, they're on their full time, you know, from around the world. And so there's, that's why I was so Excited about partnering with them and one of the really cool things they do with their tech, the tech side is I had spent years looking for a technology company that could really match what I was looking for in the sense of nonlinear, acting like the human brain, and could take people on their guided journey as they could get the information in the moment that they need it. So not the normal platforms you're used to, which is an lms show your video, answer your six questions and fire fireworks come up. Your next, your next level. We're talking about really changing the game of how, how the universities, where the knowledge is coming from. As a doctor, I think that's one of the most saddest parts of as your research is it sits somewhere where nobody reads it and it's not getting out to where the practice, where the people in the front lines are using it or the people that need it. So. So it's an exciting point where we're where we're at. We, we did our MVP. I, we shared it with under 20 key decision makers and everyone said, yes, let's do it. Love it. Never seen technology like it. It's very super exciting.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, amazing. Wow. I've. I've got goosebumps. It sounds very synchronistic. So much of what we've done has to do with online learning and I'm always dissatisfied and wanting more. I mean, we've done every, we've worked with every single platform and I've created my own and we always have the experience that there should be something better than this. You know, there's so much room for innovation. So very exciting to hear that and I'm very excited to learn more about this, you know, the cultured baseness and the, the action learning. It sounds, yeah, very, very much like the fields I love to play in. IRIS stands for intuitive, relational and intersubjective. Intersubjective is obviously the, the we space and the culture dimension. And that's the biggest thing I feel is missing in our modern world. We've been so focused on the eye and the individual and that's not how we learn. It's not how we get things done. It's not really how anything happens. It's not reality. Um, so anything that helps us remember the we and look at things like culture and community and connection is exactly where I want to be and what I want to serve.

00:21:30

Dr Cari Leyshon: Well, I'm going to jump through Zoom and give you a big hug. That's amazing.

00:21:35

Shamini Jain: I told you you had to meet him. I. I feel like you Guys are really aligned and, you know, I think even I'm excited, super excited for the opportunity to, you know, have Chibi a prototype. But I think there's opportunity, opportunities here that are even beyond that, which is why I thought it would be good for the three of us. To me, if I might just refocus a little bit and I want to be mindful of your, of your time, James. And I know, Carrie, you've got a million things to do before you leave the. The goal here for us, as I mentioned, from the Chi standpoint, the first goal is to create a working prototype that we can send to our board members to explain what this healing hub is going to look like. Carrie is also working with the QI team to explore how we shift our webinars from Zoom onto their platform. So one layer of it is just showing, okay, you guys are doing this existing webinar flow. Let us show you what that looks like with our tech. Right. So that's one aspect of it, but a critical aspect of it from my point of view and the board's point of view is showing what this healing hub is going to look like. And it should be web based and also mobile responsive. So the goal, James, is when we launch the documentary publicly, which we aim to do in April, we want a landing place for people so that when they see the film and they come to learn more about the film, there's also a jumping off point for them to learn more about healing. That includes access, AI, guided access to healing practices. It includes thumbnails of research and more. Right. So that's one layer of it with our existing content. The other layer is of course, to use this guided journey to bring them into our webinars that we do every first Friday and try to maximize conversions to contributorships which are right now at 108 a year or $9 a month, quite affordable. And Carrie and I will talk about whether we want to keep it at that level. We may have differences of opinion there, but the point being to kind of really guide them in, guide them also to our, you know, other monetizable content which include our science of Healing course, the Self Care bundles. So bringing them in, giving them free resource, especially for those who are just learning. So we know we're going to have some people that are all about this, that are healers who want very specific information. You know, they already know what the biofield is, but then we're going to have new people that are like, what the hell is the biofield? Right. So we were trying to Create a system with all the content and the AI backing that's also visually appealing, meets people where they are. And another critical part of the prototype, from my point of view that I'm hoping we can get done is to create that many to many platform where people can connect in with each other. Now, whether that it's going to be based only on paid members or the whole, you know, 60,000, you know, community or whatever, we have to discuss all that. You know, there are costs obviously associated with everything, but the goal here is to make sure that we're connecting people, that we're showing where people are. Eventually we'll build out so that people can find and search for healers, things like that. We'll build out certifications like. That's in the second phase. But the first phase is Resource Hub with existing content, using the platform to stream the documentary and the webinars and any other live events that we might have and having, for lack of a better term, a better solution that's like Mighty Networks, which is many to many where people can interact. It's like a, like kind of a social media. Let's do a collaborative project, kind of like Hilo, you know, very similar to Hilo, but a little bit more robust than Hilo. So. And you, I know you know what Hilo is. I don't think I've showed Carrie Hilo, but I, I don't remember Carrie if I've showed you Hilo, but I can. One of our funders is invested in this and is going to be pretty upset with me when I tell them we're using your tech and not. Same thing with Adam who has been wanting me to use Soul Guide forever. And I saw that you're using Seoul Guide on Hola movie, you know, so I'm going to have to deal with that situation. But Carrie has convinced me that her platform is the right one to use and it's going to do everything. So we won't have, as she calls it, these Frankenstein's because they have the ability to be, you know, integrated with the, you know, the CMS or whatever it's called, you know, the email system, the whole thing. Right.

00:25:56

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:25:57

Shamini Jain: Promise of this technology is to not have the, what they call the Frankenstein approach with all these different softwares and subscriptions.

00:26:05

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. Yeah. I've watched Hilo grow since its inception and it, it hasn't become what I wanted it to become. It's. Yeah, it's, it's very limited in general. You know what I'd love to help do with visuals is move away from lists and grids as much as possible. You know, those are powerful tools for certain things. Spreadsheets can do things that other, you know, other geometries can't. But everything online should not be in a list or a grid. It limits our ability to, to see each other and envision new possibilities. And now there's no, you know, fewer practical reasons to stick with the, the basic HTML structures. So whenever possible I love to introduce alternative, more biomimetic and organic frameworks. You know, letting people see each other in, in honeycombs or circles or more interactive ways or even three dimensional ways and, you know, leverage what we know works. One thing that doesn't work with Hilo is they've kind of responded so dramatically to the other social networks. They like so want it to not be addicting that nobody really wants to use it. But it seems like you guys are playing with, you know, gamification and, and, you know, things should be fun. It's not bad to use dopamine in these interfaces. Yeah, yeah.

00:27:57

Shamini Jain: And visual and artistic appeal, which from the chi side, you know, we are very serious about saying we're a collaborative that includes artists. So for me, like the visual and the art and the engagement has to be part of that. It has to inspire, it has to reflect the mission and the vision and the vibration of the whole organization. If we're going to build this for me, I want to build it right, you know, so, I mean, we'd be thrilled to figure out how we can engage with you. You know, I think that. Carrie, I'm going to suggest that you and James have a follow on conversation without me to explore whether you want to bring him on to the Intellect Dynamics Europe team, you know, because I think he'll be incredible to have for many of your different verticals. But, you know, I'm, you know, putting my stake in the ground. You know, I want James to work with us.

00:28:45

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, definitely. No. So as you know, well, as Shamini mentioned, I'm traveling now actually until October 5th, so I leave basically. I. I've blocked off my calendar from tomorrow, but that doesn't stop us from having a meeting while I'm on, you know, on my trip. I think it would be really great to show you a demo of what we've got going on and for you to meet. Obviously, I'm not the person who makes those decisions. It's Chris or Stan, our cto. There's a huge dev team, but it would be great for you and I. Maybe we just have more of an informal. I can show you the demo and then bring Chris on and, and then we can have a better conversation because he'll be able to talk you around how they contextualize their, their data at the input level. And that's what's super exciting. And that's what's weird. Like, I have people now working for us from IBM, from Microsoft, and Microsoft lady said she's never seen tech like this. And we're on the radar for Red Hat, so we've got some great interest. But again, like I said, we're looking, we're still looking for funding on that side of things. So in that way we, we would be considered, you know, a startup in that sense. There's not a big budget behind me at the moment, but we'll see how that unfolds rapidly and. But yeah, we are looking for people to bring on that can help us achieve the objectives, for sure.

00:30:14

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. Very exciting. Yeah, happy to make time for that. And.

00:30:18

Dr Cari Leyshon: And you're getting married anyway, so you're gonna be.

00:30:21

Shamini Jain: Are you going to your honeymoon? Circling back.

00:30:24

James Redenbaugh: We're gonna do a bigger honeymoon this winter. We'll do like a little, A little getaway after the wedding. But we've been so busy. We've got to get back to work.

00:30:34

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you have to pay for the wedding.

00:30:37

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, exactly.

00:30:39

Shamini Jain: Well, you know, let me know. I would suggest from the chi point of view that maybe we have a circle back in early October. October is a great month for me. November's not so good. I'm traveling, Carrie. I'll be in Switzerland actually for early November. We should chat about that and see if there's a way to meet.

00:30:55

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yes. Well, if you're in Switzerland, I'll just come there.

00:30:58

Shamini Jain: Huge event with like 8, 000 people or something. It's like in the same. But let's see if we can circle back in October. Once you're back, Carrie, maybe you can send an invite based on your availability. Yeah, I can help. Otherwise, James, they have a lot of our content already and we're working with some folks to kind of pull out practice parts from our webinars and things like that. So the content from our point of view is fairly ready to go. And now it's really about the design, the UX and giving instructions to the Intellect Dynamics team on exactly how we're structuring this. But I feel like integrating you into that part early on in having the conversations you need to have with the tech team is going to help this flow really well.

00:31:45

James Redenbaugh: So awesome.

00:31:48

Dr Cari Leyshon: And Shamini, do you know James rates and everything already or James.

00:31:52

Shamini Jain: Okay, so just all that. James, that would be great because I know you've sent me proposals before on like the Chi website and my website, which I hope to get with you at some point on my website once all of this is sort of under wraps. But yeah, if you, if you don't mind sending some information to me and Carrie about like Scope with what we've talked about here, now that you have a better idea and you understand the tech stack that's behind you, that would be really helpful.

00:32:19

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's hard, you know, at this point would be hard to put a proposal. I can send you an example proposal, things like that. We have different models as well and we work with such a range of people, junior to senior, so it's really use case dependent. But in general people tell us, they always tell us we need to charge more. So I think we're pretty affordable for what we deliver.

00:32:51

Shamini Jain: Question on the holo movement, the interface of the way that all looks, was that kind of driven by science, Soul Guide or like, was it just their widgets or did you create all that like visual.

00:33:03

James Redenbaugh: We created it. They only did the little part in their box. Everything else we built from scratch.

00:33:10

Shamini Jain: Okay, that's good to know. Yeah, that's good to know.

00:33:13

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, like the globe and the. Everything that was a custom thing.

00:33:18

Shamini Jain: Well, Carrie, I'm hoping I'm going to be able to leverage Intellect Dynamics for my own personal website. But you will chat about that. If we're not, I'm gonna go to Adam and get Soul Guide and get something, something going on the website that's fairly simple for myself because I have some things I'd like to do personally. We, we can get to that later. How about we circle back as a team around the Chi prototype in, in October. Does that work? Early October?

00:33:44

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, that works great for me.

00:33:46

James Redenbaugh: Great.

00:33:47

Shamini Jain: James, congratulations.

00:33:50

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yes.

00:33:50

Shamini Jain: Blessings on a beautiful, happy, fulfilling married life. A beautiful wedding, a wonderful. I'm so happy for you.

00:34:00

James Redenbaugh: Thank you.

00:34:01

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, really nice to meet you. Look forward to our chats and seeing some wedding photos.

00:34:06

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, for sure. Great to meet you too. Let's be in touch and talk again soon.

00:34:11

Dr Cari Leyshon: All right, sounds good. Thanks, James. Bye.

00:34:14

James Redenbaugh: Bye.

00:34:17

Shamini Jain: Isn't he fabulous?

00:34:18

Dr Cari Leyshon: Oh, he's lovely.

00:34:20

Shamini Jain: He's going to be perfect. He'll be, but I honestly think he's great. Can we talk just very briefly? I need to update you on some things in terms of my involvement with you guys. Yes, I'm taking on a chief Science officer position with another group, an aligned group, who you will meet and who I think could actually help fund and let Dynamics and who I want to actually show a prototype to. There might be ways to connect flows. My goal is to try to get off of cheese payroll by Q1 of 2026 entirely. And as it is now, I am like, you know, depending also on what deals I need to strike with Chi, you know, and how. How present I'm going to need to be or not be once the healing hub is moving forward. I think we'll kind of determine that as we sort of see how the engagement goes and what's needed. But I'll stay on the board. I'm still going to be the founder and whatever, but I really want to bring in an ED who can dedicate 100 time to growing that organization the way it needs to grow.

00:35:20

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah.

00:35:21

Shamini Jain: I am also writing my book proposal and hope to shop that around this fall.

00:35:26

Dr Cari Leyshon: Brilliant.

00:35:27

Shamini Jain: Yeah, yeah. I'm very excited about that. I'm very dedicated to that. I really want to do it, Carrie, so.

00:35:32

Dr Cari Leyshon: And.

00:35:32

Shamini Jain: And I want to grow my own personal speaking and teaching business because that's what I love to do, and I just haven't focused on building it out like a business.

00:35:41

Dr Cari Leyshon: No, I get it. So congratulations on your appointment. That's amazing.

00:35:47

Shamini Jain: Yeah. Well, thank you. And, you know, then there's the collaboratory and all this. So all of this is to say that, you know, I'm shifting what I'm doing, and I'm also aware of my tendency to spread myself too thin. And I know that we talked about, you know, a possible Chief Wellness Officer type of position. I. I would say that if I think we know each other enough and we kind of see what the potential is here. If this is of interest to you, then I'd suggest send me something, even if it's just initially, so that I can kind of understand what you want, like what you're hoping for, what that scope looks like in terms of the time that you would require, what an equity and retainer combination would look like from your point of view. Or is it, we ain't got no time for retainer, but we want your help and this is the equity we could bring to. It's a mixture. For me, a mixture would be perfect. I think I do want cash flow right now as I kind of navigate putting two kids through college.

00:36:46

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yes. It's expensive time.

00:36:48

Shamini Jain: Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. So. But, you know, I don't know where my son's going to go to school. Until the spring. But I suspect it's going to end up being a, hopefully a very good school, which is going to cost me a lot of money.

00:37:02

Dr Cari Leyshon: Of course, they all cost a lot of money.

00:37:04

Shamini Jain: Yeah. Oh my God. And you know, I'm unfortunately just in that bracket where I don't, we don't get scholarships really. So. No. Yeah. So it's.

00:37:13

Dr Cari Leyshon: What's so amazing is that actually it could be a phone call away for you to make. Like I'm working on that contract with the bank. I told you that. So they have 12 million customers. So million customers start paying €1amonth. We're on a million a month. So the number. So with your contact base, you know, and it's just getting out of this. Okay, what's my day? Right, what's my. It's like, okay, it could be an introduction that turns into a big contract. Could also be when we get funded, when we get, when we achieve our funding, that then there's a development salary and things that can be allocated there. But really at the moment, everybody, nobody's taking a salary. We're all on this based on the projects and now we've proven that there's such a big demand and it's so great to hear James as well to say that because all of the, the mighty networks or whatever are like, it's like a little mosquito bite on our body. What Intellect Dynamics does, doesn't, you know, like Chris, I go, Intellect Dynamics, he's like, whatever we're talking, what we're building is something really big and game changing that will give you more money than you can handle and would put your kids and your grandchildren through university. The money goes very quickly. Even the numbers that I played with over the last weekend and I kind of just did a brain dump through my AI searches and shared with you that yesterday because I was a bit, I was bit rushed. But even when you start looking at those numbers, like scaling QI from 550 even to 20,000 members, the numbers get bigger.

00:39:04

Shamini Jain: Yeah, you're not going to like what I just did and I'm really promising you. I'm not trying to go with scarcity mentality because I see the projection for the bigger number. I think we need to also be very realistic and careful as we're pitching this to the board. But I'm going to go back again to the agreement and whether you want me on the Intellect Dynamics Europe team, I'll need to kind of know that and figure that out soon. If you really want me to commit.

00:39:32

Dr Cari Leyshon: Really want you to because if you.

00:39:34

Shamini Jain: Do, then I suggest we kind of iron that out sooner than later, given where we're at and understanding what does it look like for the next year or six months or eight months, what does it look like after that if we get the funding and that kind of thing, but also the equity part partnership. Because I need to, like you, really manage my conflicts of interest here. And I've been trying to sort out how am I going to figure this out? Because I know this is the right platform for CHI and I do want to come on with you. And there's real cois with a non profit. And so this is why I'm thinking the smartest thing for me to do at this point for the organization, even though I know I'm probably giving up, finally a salary that I deserve through chi. Right. Honestly, I'm the founder. I want this to flourish. And it's not. I didn't build it as my own company. I just didn't. That wasn't my goal. So the cleanest thing for me to do will be to probably pull myself off of salary support from CHI or at least just have some kind of retainer whatever from them for being the face and the name and showing up and doing whatever I do. I have to talk all of this out with the board and I just need to be 100% transparent with them. I should not be involved in the business decision making when it comes to the partnership with you guys if I'm going to be coming on with you as chief Wellness Officer and they won't have any issue and Paul and I are really close. Like I'm going to talk to him if this is really happening because I want to keep him abreast of everything that I'm doing outside of CHI while I'm leveraging these partnerships for chi.

00:41:04

Dr Cari Leyshon: I just had an idea because, you know, before, I don't know, in some historical conversation we chatted about, okay, so eventually she could become a for profit organization as opposed to a not for profit organization. But what about if it didn't have to come to that? Because what we're monetizing is the Healing Hub, which doesn't exist right now for QI nonprofit. So what about if the Healing Hub became the profit center for.

00:41:37

Shamini Jain: Yeah, that's possible. That's possible. And then, you know, then I can actually have a stake in it. That is possible. I'm also talking with other folks about CHI might just be the content creator that licenses.

00:41:50

Dr Cari Leyshon: Exactly. So.

00:41:52

Shamini Jain: So I think we're on the same page and I Think that might really be the best thing for CHI is to just focus on creating the content, creating the education, licensing to Intellect Dynamics Europe's and other places who want to. I'm talking to so many people. Everyone wants, wants content. Right. We're. And I may be able to support them to do that. So I think that's totally fine. But you know, you and I had talked about a scope with Intellect Dynamics Europe that is beyond CHI in terms of, you know, the wellness, the teaching and all that. And I need to be really mindful of my commitments now as I move forward.

00:42:27

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, of course.

00:42:28

Shamini Jain: The time that I can put in and what revenue can be brought back to me for the time that I'm putting in with these newer ventures. So if you have time while you're traveling, have a think talk with Chris, send me something back, a proposal. And then if we feel like this is a good direction and we want to move forward, my next step would be to talk with Paul and Cassie, my chair and vice chair, and say this is what I'm thinking and just make sure everyone is 100% cool with it and my conflicts of interest are disclosed. And then when it comes to making the deal between Chi and CQify, I'm going to recuse myself from those discussions.

00:43:07

Dr Cari Leyshon: There's also many that makes it so clear to me actually, this actually is so brilliant because I was looking at. Okay, so basically you have the, you have chi just like what cq if I had methodology. So I'm partnering with them for the methodology to embed how they do the workflow. Now the, the Healing Hub as an entity. Right. That your founder. So it'd be like me and Chris right now, CQFI in Intellect Dynamics. It would be between Chamonix and Intellect Dynamics Europe. The Healing Hub is, is you're then an official equity partner. But what that does with your healing content and expertise. Because that's what we've been looking at with all these coaches and life coaches and all these other content providers. Everybody is craving this. So you could head that part of it up right away. I have 100 coaches that want to pay 300amonth, but we need to organize it and I need to fund that vertical. So then all of a sudden it's Chamonix, Carrie and Chris. The Healing Hub is its own entity that licenses to chi. And actually the other ways that we monetize the content could just have an automatic donation that goes to chi. So anything, any transaction through the Healing Hub, just like an affiliate gives whatever a euro to Chi on every transaction, whatever it is. So they're getting donations. Right.

00:45:08

Shamini Jain: I don't know that our board will go for that. I totally understand the logic of it. I think in terms of if we don't call it Healing Hub, but we say Intellect Dynamics Europe is creating, you know, a wellness platform and we want to license QI content. Yeah, right. If we call it Healing Hub and we create it as a separate entity that she's licensing its content to, I don't think that's going to feel good to the board.

00:45:35

Dr Cari Leyshon: Okay.

00:45:36

Shamini Jain: Partnership model for the Healing Hub is where we should move with them. With, with the board, you know, because I think there's a sense of like the branding and all being cheese. Right. It's cheese content. It's a partnership with the platinum tech platform, tech based platform. That's going to help it scale. It's. It's Qi 2.0 and we can explore what that business structure looks like once we hit those marks where we're, you know, over 6 million in revenue or whatever. Whatever it is.

00:46:04

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah.

00:46:05

Shamini Jain: That's a separate thing. I think if we come in saying we're going to create a new entity and license QI Content for the Healing Hub, it's going to feel like a takeover kind of feeling. I don't think it'll feel good to them. Them.

00:46:16

Dr Cari Leyshon: Okay, so for the other wellness organizations that are already being onboarded with the. This is why. Because the vision for me was always about how do we access inner well being into the corporate and into education, into where people really need it.

00:46:39

Shamini Jain: Yeah. That I think is me as Chief Wellness Officer.

00:46:42

Dr Cari Leyshon: Exactly.

00:46:43

Shamini Jain: Because she is more biofield. Like it's a, it's a beauty.

00:46:46

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah. It's more specialized.

00:46:47

Shamini Jain: Very specialized. You know, that's me as Chief Wellness Officer doing that work, I think. And it's going to be a lot easier with a focal point, you know, between you and me kind of doing that. I think that's the right way to go.

00:47:00

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I know. Because it's like right now it's muddy.

00:47:04

Shamini Jain: Yeah.

00:47:05

Dr Cari Leyshon: But it's not muddy because there's just so much potential. But it's like the same process Chris and I have been going through. Like, how are we going to structure with cqfi? How do we partner with Intellect Dynamics? How are we making this one one? Cause so that. Because the story is very strong together and also a lot of the investors I'm talking to are just more prone. They just want to invest in a Swiss company. It's just better.

00:47:33

Shamini Jain: Well, so my My sense is this idea of the wellness component of the, the entity, whether it's Intellect Dynamics, Europe or Intellect, whatever it is and whatever there is a wellness component to it. So in addition to providing this kick ass tech platform that has the CQFI methodology embedded in it for deeper learning and engagement, we have a wellness layer for activity, for health, you know, and that's another, you know, huge selling point of the organization of the entity. And I'm helping lead that with you. Right, like that's, I think that's very clean and easy to understand. It doesn't involve yet another organization and like.

00:48:12

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:14

Shamini Jain: Stuff from cheat we still might. Right. But that's like separate from the healing hub in my phone. Like let, let chi move with the healing hub with the powered by Intellect Dynamics. That's what I, but I just. Yeah. So anyway I've let you kind of know where I'm at. I will, I will hang back and you know, kind of wait for you guys to send me something.

00:48:34

Dr Cari Leyshon: Well, I sent you just basically the reseller agreement which just said any introductions? So what we wanted to do was put just a shaman space so that any introductions then go through and you get that commissions and referrals through for that as a reseller and only because at the moment we're looking for, I don't know what equity investors want to take, how much, you know, I, I would love to say to you, yeah, let's go in, in give you 20% but I just did that by the way to my people that gave my original investment and it up the cap table because, because now I've given away too much equity for not enough money. But thankfully they're so kind and they're retracting and they're lowering their position.

00:49:29

Shamini Jain: I have, you know, this is not my world but having spoken with you and a few others in the world, I understand how complicated, complex this can be. So I definitely don't want to push and rush. What I think I hear you saying is let's get the resellers agreement going at least. So with these introductions and I'm going to be likely, I'm not likely I am going to be providing to you, you know.

00:49:51

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah. But it keeps your eye. So what it does, it's nice and neat. So it keeps your IP there, it keeps your, any revenue that goes through your storefront we can track through the tech. It's very simple. And once you, once we say oh my God, Chamonix General, you know, done this and this and this and, and we see how it, how it all contributes. Then we go right into CQFI shares in Switzerland. I have space in equity for that. So there's no problem. I have. Now we're just restructuring the share agreements and I already know that there's a great value for what you're doing. And that's part of was always my original business plan with CQFI was to build out the human experience and bridging that into, into corporate and into universities and into schools because our kids need to learn this, how to self regulate way longer than, way earlier than when we're doing it. So the whole healing part, I'm very passionate about that. And with kids struggling with mental, mental challenges while in adults. So I think there's a very strong partnership here. And I just want to see like I just had this girl Jackie. I gave her co author to my book. She promised me, oh, I'm gonna get you this. I'm gonna get you this. I spent 40 grand on my book and she did not bring me one euro. And I've put her name on my book.

00:51:21

Shamini Jain: So co wrote it with her. That's a bummer.

00:51:24

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah, no, I just put it on like at the end, it was like the last six weeks and just put her on it. And then, you know, now every time I look at my book I'm like.

00:51:34

Shamini Jain: I gotta remember the name of it. Yeah. Okay, so can you reform me? I just look forward. I can't find it that reseller agreement. So I understand it because I thought that was more of like hey, if I introduce you to someone who gives you money, you know, like I want to. It's like a finder fee kind of thing, right?

00:51:52

Dr Cari Leyshon: No, so, so that's referrals and we did kind of briefly talk about it, but we've had so many conversations. So the, the reseller is just that you're, we're. You're able to represent Intellect Dynamics as a. Whatever you want to call it, a consultant, as a, as you're part of the team, as an external advisor. I don't know whatever you want to say at the moment with your current positions with chi, whatever is, is easier.

00:52:19

Shamini Jain: For I think so feeling into this. What I would say is I think a decision needs to be made as to whether you want to bring me on as Chief Wellness Officer as we spoke about last time and if so what that onboarding process looks like for you in terms of timing to offer an equity.

00:52:36

Dr Cari Leyshon: And timing is all about when we get investors.

00:52:41

Shamini Jain: Yeah. So. And then in the meantime, if you would like my help getting investors, then Is there a finder's fee?

00:52:48

Dr Cari Leyshon: Of course. Of course. Always.

00:52:50

Shamini Jain: That's the first step is how about. Can you send me an agreement from that point of view of like, what is for finding an investor? You'll just start there. That's very clean and easy. No obligations on your part, you know, to bring me on in any capacity, you know. But if I help you find investors and I get rewarded for that, that would be supportive and helpful. With the intention, of course, that I'm hoping that we will do more together. But we're not ready yet. Right.

00:53:16

Dr Cari Leyshon: I believe that we will. I believe it with my whole heart, or we wouldn't. I don't want to waste my time.

00:53:21

Shamini Jain: Yeah, no, I know. And. But I also. I want us to just have grace and space around when that time is, you know?

00:53:27

Dr Cari Leyshon: Yeah. I would love to say to you.

00:53:32

Shamini Jain: In the meantime, I want to support you with getting the investors you need, hoping that I'll be part of that team. And so having that agreement with the finders fee, it just helps support me to know. Okay. You know, we're in resonance and reciprocity here, so.

00:53:44

Dr Cari Leyshon: Absolutely.

00:53:47

Shamini Jain: And look, I value your time. I know you got to go. I do want to.

00:53:52

Dr Cari Leyshon: No, we need to get through this. This presentation. I just need a comfort break. I just have.

00:53:57

Shamini Jain: Me too. Yeah. And then I stop in about 20 minutes.

00:54:01

Dr Cari Leyshon: That's fine. We'll blast through what you.

00:54:03

Shamini Jain: What you propose.

00:54:05

Dr Cari Leyshon: One. Hello. Yeah. So.

00:57:08

Shamini Jain: Yeah.

00:57:08

Dr Cari Leyshon: So definitely just to wrap that up. Definitely want to work with you. Definitely see potential. I just don't have any funding to commit, so if we can build it out together and do that, Great.

00:57:24

Shamini Jain: James's note taker is in this meeting, and I didn't realize, so I'm going to remove it. I don't know if you're listening, James, but sorry for all the TMI that you didn't need to know. Okay. So I'm removing it. Sorry about that. I didn't.