00:05:46

James Redenbaugh: Hey, James. Hey, Rob. How you doing, man? I'm doing pretty good. I've been sick the last week. Feeling a lot better today. Hi, Lauren. Good to see you guys.

00:06:10

Rob Sinclair: Munch on some morning snacks.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, yum. Are you still on the west coast?

00:06:18

Rob Sinclair: We are not. We successfully traversed the continent with two young girls and two kittens, and we've been in the last. What day is it? Five days or so. Yeah. You're back home, back in Philly.

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‍James Redenbaugh: Yep.

00:06:46

Rob Sinclair: How's Emily? How's wedding prep?

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James Redenbaugh: It's going good. We're busy trying to figure out the design for the invitation and trying to let go of my perfectionism around it. And. And our venue told us that we have to figure out all our vendors, like, this month, which we didn't realize. Oh, wow. Which is kind of dumb, so. Or hustle and, like, find the music and the DJ and the photographer and the videographer and things like that. Emily won't let me do it all myself. I was like, we can do it. We can figure it out. Oh, my gosh.

00:07:37

Rob Sinclair: Yeah. It's a whole world, that stuff.

00:07:43

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. I had a dream the other night that I had a heart transplant. It's, like, really weird. And I woke up from the surgery, and it went really well, but Emily was like, it's 10 days after the wedding. I'm like, what? And I had, like. The anesthesia had erased three months of my memory. Oh, no. I forget the wedding. I won't remember it now, but luckily, it was just a dream. That's quite the dream. Yeah. So what's alive for you guys after the. After the retreat? Are you happy with how it. How it turned out?

00:08:43

Rob Sinclair: Yes, I would say I felt like the. The qualities that were calling us to convene were manifested, but not specifically through us, which was part of the whole thing. I continue to find it challenging to talk about how you make something where you're not declaring what you're making at the outset, but you are int. Intentionally clear about what you're making, and then you allow it to emerge. Like, how do we talk about that? It's. It's a practice that I'm new to, but that's some. That's some of what I felt was happening. And we've talked. We've. I mean, there's some specific things that arose, like, from the seat that were in, that I was in, that you were in for being a convener or a host and. And a. Like, the practice that it felt like were asked to be in or needed to be in if were going to actually make help make possible something that didn't have anything to do with us. You know at the same time as being not dropping anything that felt like a really beautiful paradox to be in. Definitely would have loved another day. Felt that like felt the speed and just such a deep like what a wonderful group of humans which we knew but to experience people playing with each other and being there, being their being in a mature and beautiful way was its own just like yeah of course you know. So those are some of my.

00:10:23

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I share the challenge in describing even with a few people who have been there to be like what. What just happened? Like what was that exactly and how do you describe. We wanted to host a co hosting. We wanted to convene a convening. It's a really unique role and that what was born by its like kind of by definition couldn't meet expectations because there weren't any. And yet there were hopes and intentions and to me they standards I would.

00:11:06

Rob Sinclair: Even say like yeah, I mean I've, I would have been really unsatisfied with a lot of possible other experiences that maybe would seem to other audiences fine but like I personally would be like so.

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James Redenbaugh: But in so far as those existed for me they were you know, far exceeded. So yeah a lot of gratitude and I still want to do a little more careful reflection and like almost like what were some of the things that I noticed and appreciated and what felt like it went well and why. And so there's still some digging to do there.

00:11:50

Rob Sinclair: But yeah and I we've talked like super curious about your perspective as an experience or two like in in no small part also James, just because I know you've like been in the practice of being in convenings or convening and community and so I, I imagine I make up that you've got your own maybe more sophisticated than the average person like sense of a library of types of experiences or ways that groups feel and like really curious about what you noticed or experienced and yeah.

00:12:30

James Redenbaugh: Yeah I noticed so many things. It was so wonderful and it's been noticing myself describe the experience in different ways since then because it's hard to say what it is and it was so special. It's exactly the kind of thing that I love to find myself in and it was a very unique, a unique version of something that's hard to name. I you know one of the closest descriptors is just a gathering of Friends, because everybody was a friend of somebody, and now we're all friends. And like, that kind of felt like, in a way, first and foremost, what. What were doing. I. I was also describing it the other day as, like, it had initiators, you guys, Katya, and. But the invitation to co lead was made so beautifully and authentically that I really felt like the. The group itself brought itself on the journey that it wanted to have, and the individual parts and people, like, in a, you know, participatory sculpture exercise, we found ourselves a part of this bigger organism that seemed to have a. An energy and an intention unto itself that included your guys's intention for the gathering and the initiatory energy. But it felt like there was a ball on top of a hill and. And you guys, you know, found the ball and found the hill and pushed it down, and it was just the right hill and, you know, just the right angle to turn into this beautiful sphere snowball. Such that I felt. I felt all the things I felt really held, I felt cared about, I felt seen, I felt invited, I felt excited. And not. Not because of any one person or any one facilitation team, but because of everybody. You know, there wasn't a single person there that I wasn't stoked to be connecting with or that I didn't feel was, like, in it or getting was just such a tapestry of intentionality. And that's a nice phrase. Art making. Yeah. So bravo. And. And more of that. Yeah.

00:16:37

Rob Sinclair: Thanks, James. It's really helpful and encouraging to have your words and experience a little bit named, you know, even though it'll like, thank goodness, kind of it's impossible, but to hear some of those phrases is really great. And I noticed what came up for me as you were talking was like, that really famous jazz was. I don't know which jazz musician it was who's like, you know, you have to learn the craft and then you have to forget it all and play. And I feel like there's these two halves of my being. Like, one half is. I can pick up the analytical view as a group dynamics person, as a, like, studier of relationships and facilitation. And I can do, okay, so what happened that seemed important and what were the things that didn't happen that seemed important and blah, blah, blah. And yet all of that is still needs to be rightly situated over there and be like. And set it down. Because you can't make something by pinning down mathematically all of its elements and saying there's the recipe you still have to participate consciously with the mystery of something. And that requires a not naming and a kind of not knowing. And so I just feel those both halves of. Of my attention of like, I noticed this. I want to codify. I don't want to like, reify. So that to me feels like part of the polarity that has always been at play. And I. It came alive even more as I was listening to you.

00:18:10

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's actually been kind of nice to. To not do any of that. We went straight into like two weeks of pseudo vacation. And so it's just like when the experience has just been marinating, you know, it's just been like soaking. And I'm actually really moved to hear you describe it, James. It's got me back in touch with like, some of the things I really appreciated about the experience and the people who were present and how were together. And yeah, it's touching my heart in this moment. More of that. Yeah, it's. But it's very much been living in me. And I keep dreaming. I mentioned my dreams, but I keep dreaming of being back there or dreaming of traveling. I have a lot of dreams of being stuck in Chicago, but excited to be continuing to integrate it, you know, still I feel. Starting to process the photos and videos and really excited to see what. What wants to continue to unfold. So excited by what we did on the last day designing the. I don't know what to call it. I feel like there's so much juice there. And I was so bummed to. To lose that audio. I feel like such a amateur to come back and realize that I was recording silence. So many hours of silence. But all the good stuff, all the really good stuff was on video and the cameras aren't too bad from that. And that whole design session was filmed from above. So that's really neat to have. Yeah, super cool.

00:20:28

Rob Sinclair: Yeah. I was more acutely aware of your role, not just because of the technical aspect of what you were holding, but you had a way of holding it. And I think we mentioned that to you as well. Just like how much we appreciated. You're relaxed and gentle and yet very clear and kind of competent. Just easy way of like, it didn't feel like something was being taken, which is often like, we're going to take photos or take videos. It's an interesting word. Describe what's happening. We're going to take something from the live thing. And it just felt like you were on honoring the live thing with this way of seeing it. Like it was being seen from that camera or from that sound capture or even if it didn't capture the sound, it was like a way of seeing it, not a way of taking its essence from away from it. And, and I, in my reflections, I noticed like that is actually an archetypal function of a society or a community, is the reflecting and seeing of it. It's the work of the artist, it's the work of the poet. It's. I mean, there's many archetypes that kind of participate in that, but having that in the room in you in a very particular way, that was different from Kalia and Jess and they is sort of a similar domain. But there's something really important about that, I think, for the amplification of a sense of being and a sense of what we are, you know, so it was really tracking that. I didn't appreciate it as much coming in. I think it was like, I felt like how lovely, but I didn't realize how essential it actually is when it's done well.

00:22:06

James Redenbaugh: So I really appreciate that. Yeah. What can you say, Rob? I was just going to echo the. Done well like the way that you were able to do all of that, James. But it never felt to me like we lost your participation. Like it was your way of participating and that you were with us the whole time you were doing that. In a similar way that I felt Jess and Kalia, like we never lost them. They were never separate from and doing something to or for. It was like that was their way of participating in the same way that, you know, you had your camera and Pete had his guitar in his hand sometimes, you know, like it was just part of his way of. And your way of being in the group. And that was. That's really tremendous actually, because I don't think I've ever had an experience of a participating artistry in multiple forms like that, in a group in such an organic way where not only did it not detract, it actually really added.

00:23:03

Rob Sinclair: Yeah.

00:23:03

James Redenbaugh: In some essential ways. So. Yeah. Yeah. I've definitely been on retreats where I've been on photo or video and I feel like it, like I hide behind the camera and I really made the intention to not. To not do that here. So I really appreciate that seeing and what you guys just shared. I have an image of the capturing, which is a better word than take being like a window in the architecture that we built together and that window or portal to the outside world, even in real time, even before anything is shown to anyone access like a channel to make it all more real in a way. Like it's not a. A secret gathering of witches in the woods that no one will ever see. It's like we want to interface and touch the real world and culture. And I didn't really think about that before as like a in the moment feelable thing. That's so great, James. That's the first time I've had like a. I've always thought of things like that as a window into like other people are going to get to see into the event but in the very two nature of a window like your participation in that way opens a window out to the rest of the world. Like we're not in some isolated thing. There's the other direction we can see through as well. That's. That's really cool.

00:25:05

Rob Sinclair: I think I'll just quickly so I don't forget name like in this day and age with the things that happen with capturing content like I do think there's a really important and maybe totally missed opportunity to lead by example in what does it look like to create those windows that aren't capitalistically trying to manifest attention grabbing and content making for the sake of that. So it's like the intention actually is what changes the way it comes out. But then to stay in congruence with that is the practice. So how do you capture some content and share it in a way that doesn't feel like look at this, look at this and feel how cool it is and want to join it and feel that you're a part and then want to come and have it like that whole dynamic. So I just find myself quite interested in that because James, the language that. There's a really beautiful paper that we put on the miro. I don't know if you even looked at it, which I wouldn't have expected, but it's this Transitions Toronto paper that the graphics for it I really appreciated. But if you want to be to join us in the nerding out discourse that paper, I started rereading it after the gathering in Hollyhock and I was like, oh my God, we did something.

00:26:28

James Redenbaugh: We read what? We read it.

00:26:30

Rob Sinclair: Yeah, we read it like a year ago and then didn't pick it up since. But I was like, oh my goodness. So much of what's described here is aligned with what was happening there. And they're like process design, systems design people who were doing a similar thing with a convening and they use language to talk about how everything is Pre. Figurative in what they were doing. Which is to say the way we do this has to be consistent with the thing we think we're up to. So it prefigures the nature of the thing, which. Another way of not sounding so esoteric to me would be your intention is. Is manifested congruently like a fractal in every way that you go about the thing. And so it feels congruent with whatever that aesthetic kind of value intention is. So I think that's one of my curiosities. Is like to go forward and share in a way that's.

00:27:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:27:24

Rob Sinclair: Pre. Figuratively consistent with what the. What the thing kind of the spirit of it feels like, which maybe we can better know inside than we can say. But that's part of the magic.

00:27:36

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. The best way I can say anything about how I know it is by contrast with its opposite, which is that it's not being instrumentalized. Like it's the opposite of instrumentalization. It's the. The means are the ends that we care about that the way we're doing things is the thing, not some means to some other end. Well, that I don't know if this was clear, but that's an invitation for you to join us because we may. We may try to do something similar insofar as, like, we want to articulate some of what were up to and invite others to contribute to it as well. But the way they've woven words and graphics and they've.

00:28:29

Rob Sinclair: They feels like their piece of writing is consistent with their intention and honoring what they were up to in a way that doesn't overly extract or pin down. And I, I find their way of writing instructive.

00:28:44

James Redenbaugh: Another one, I would add, that I. I hope to intend to use as a. As a kind of model of the way of creating an artifact would be post capitalist philanthropy. That is like a. A book experience when you read it. You know, it's like images and questions and. Yeah. Not. It's not a book full of assertions. It's. It's. It's an invitation into exploration. And so more of that.

00:29:18

Rob Sinclair: Well, so just talking about like any reflective artifact makes me go, okay, and why would. Like, why would we. And I noticed that there's like a hypothesis at work that I would probably articulate a little differently now that we've had the experience. But it was certainly the case beforehand, which James, when you begin and you said, like, oh, it felt like a gathering of friends. I think one of my triphora hypotheses is that when if like, if friendship can be cultivated between humans where there's a look like the value of curation is that amplifies more of the signal that they can all share and it quiets a little bit of the natural noise that happens in mixed groups. Like if that group had four individuals who were highly opportunistic, let's just say it would have cost the whole group in our ability to move in creative directions together because we would have probably been attending to moving along with those people or attending to the dynamic. There's a kind of cost to the collective creativity when there's a lot of self interest in the room or some other conflicting motivations that continue to show up. So I feel like the curation part, where were curating for the maturity and capacity to be in an emergent process that we knew was true about all these people was part of why we could move quickly together was part of why friendship could flow more easily because there was a resonant quality of openness and like I can be, I'm sort of self responsible and can be actually in real reciprocity with other people. Like I think that was one of the things actually. So the hypothesis. Sorry, I'm using more words than I realized I would. But the hypothesis is like, well, if you continue to do that, if you continue to foster like these, the soil for individuals who share levels of maturity and openness and kind of capacity to be in relationship and also like an awareness of kind of more dynamics at the metacrisis level and work in complementary or aligned domains. Like what happens when you weave those tensile networks of people and you don't worry necessarily about what they're going to go do with it because who they are and their capacities is enough to sort of like seed and you maybe you just keep watering it, maybe you just keep, you know, tilling the soil. But there's not like a let's go make a thing necessarily that has to.

00:31:59

James Redenbaugh: Be known or that's a natural consequence of that kind of relating.

00:32:03

Rob Sinclair: Right?

00:32:04

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:32:04

Rob Sinclair: Right. So that's one of my hypotheses which would be like I want to do more of it and see if that and see what happens. I don't know. What do you think of all that, James?

00:32:17

James Redenbaugh: I definitely want to do more of it and see what happens. And yeah. Co foster the organism that wants to evolve and as it evolves it may ask of us different kinds of things. Yeah. But I have a lot of faith invincibility to tell Us what it needs. Appreciate that. Yeah, that boys my own faith. So does peanut butter.

00:33:14

Rob Sinclair: I noticed when we asked each other oh what are we hoping for with our time with James the other day? This conversation like hearing from you and checking in was. Was one intention and another one was like okay, so try fora.

00:33:31

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, a little bit. A little bit of what next?

00:33:33

Rob Sinclair: Yeah, what next? And I don't know if you have anything else that came to your mind specifically that you were like oh, I want to make sure we talk about that or wonder about that or decide that. So feel.

00:33:48

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, try for a question mark. And I have an open question about which is probably more of a question to the group about how do we want to design and enact the tool or tools that will support our continued connection processing the. The session that we did and the. And the capture of that and want to continue the collaboration around that in a way that. That can serve this group and other groups as well. Yeah, like that to me feels like a good. That would be a really beautiful use of a kind of a follow up connect. If we want to invite the group back together, you know, kind of poll as best we can but choose a date and time to check in with folks but have it be sort of centered around that like what have you know, captured yourself or heard or processed from that design session we did together that you want to share even just conceptually or if there is anything to share with folks but that we center our check in around how are we staying connected and fostering the continued relating and continuing the co design of that together. That feels like a really cool use of the shared intention, not just so how's everybody doing? You know, like it's be a much more generative focal point. I love that and has me imagining doing that sooner than later.

00:35:51

Rob Sinclair: Then I think we'd probably be more likely to have more people be able to join us if we aimed for time in July like yeah, totally middle late July when people have got a few weeks they can imagine when and so I'd love us we can send that out this week.

00:36:10

James Redenbaugh: Does that time frame. How's that land for you James, in terms of what you might want to do before we have that next kind of a conversation or.

00:36:18

Rob Sinclair: Or is there a before? Is it just to pick it up again with people?

00:36:23

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's definitely a before because time will. Time will pass and things are happening. But that. That feels good. I'm going to continue to process what's in there and if I can start seeing if there's low hanging fruit adaptations I can make to what we already have to easily make it something that can serve us. So like there's ideas that I want to do with it that will take a lot of time and effort and finagling to figure out how to make it happen. And there's some things that are just going to be, you know, easy. We can adapt the airtable system to make it so that we can continue to visit each other and then maybe visualize some other kinds of things like connections between people. Nice.

00:37:47

Rob Sinclair: I'm holding this maybe naive but also potentially very creative possibility or question. I think I mentioned it to you, James. I'm tracking what the Institute for Applied Meta Theory is doing and that's Rob Smith and it's got some funding and I've been talking to a man named Bruce Alderman who's involved there and they're funding projects that are meta. Theoretical integrative in nature. And I've had the wondering of whether there's like a, a potential for getting funding especially with TRIFORA as a not for profit body for an IRIS and TRIFORA like project to do some of this innovation work for communities. So I'm just, I just want to say like when we talk about it, I don't only imagine that it's like us lifting and you lifting and then us, you know, there are clients out there who might want it, there are communities out there who would benefit. I just also I, I experience that when I listen to that discourse. It is not picking up what I feel is the from the inside out relational mycelial and for me it is actually quite feminine thing. The spirit that I feel is what's been happening here and that's a complement to the kind of, you know, like more integral mind meta theory which is also useful for organizing and becoming coherent. But I hold the question of how this space that we are playing in could be a complementary voice and also be funded in for some projects that are, you know, meta in nature but not at a theoretical space but at a relational.

00:39:28

James Redenbaugh: Applied.

00:39:28

Rob Sinclair: Yeah, truly applied.

00:39:30

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah, awesome. That sounds great. And definitely the kind of thing that I think needs to happen with stuff like this. Yeah, so yeah, great idea. My curiosity is going back to Triphora and specifically web presence. Triphora and timing I guess is a question. So one way I could pose the question is do we have what we need sufficiently now to do a next iteration of a something or would that better done in August? You know if were to engage you for another month of iris work towards a 1.5 or a 2.0 something. Yeah. I'm holding that curiosity of whether July or August would be the best time for that. If we want to do a little more to be more ready for you and to give more direction or if like, the emergent nature of it means, like, let's. We've got what we need now and let's go now.

00:40:59

Rob Sinclair: Right.

00:40:59

James Redenbaugh: What's your sense of that?

00:41:01

Rob Sinclair: Well, I feel like we definitely the balls in our court to be clearer on the one side of like, the things that we do want to say and. And make us like some commitments around. And then I also feel like because we had that experience, the way we express it that's congruent with what it feels like is going to better now. I. I hope that's how you feel. It's how I feel. And so I. And then when I think about timing, I'm like, gosh, well, you're getting married in September and you already have that stream of attention that's really important for you to be in until there. It would feel great to know that we could have something out like by Labor Day.

00:41:42

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:41:42

Rob Sinclair: So that. Because I don't imagine we're going to have like a beautiful version of Transitions Toronto paper for our work until then anyway. But it would be really nice to like a little bit of a. Something coming into the world at that point.

00:42:00

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. It's up to you. I. I'd say either doing a push in April, I mean August and letting July be a time of continued kind of reflection, or I'll show you something we have now. I like seeing these. Oh, wow, nice. These wave graphics that we have now to visualize it. And so we could do like this frequency in. In August and do a push there or just as a slower frequency over July and August. Yeah. With a September 1st launch deadline. That's really helpful just to see visually and first to. My temptation is to be in a more focused use of attention, like deliberately focused on reflection and metabolism and crafting of the clarity that we hope to be able to offer. And then August as a sprint in partnership of creation of that. But that's. That's just my first hit.

00:44:25

Rob Sinclair: Yeah, I kind of lean the same way. The only thing I wonder about is like, is the kind of. Is the span of backing and for thing creatively between us gonna be what it needs to be in the four weeks of August, or are we gonna want to be more iterative together? Like you know, it's almost like what's the right volume and like the waveform for this, for what this thing is.

00:45:03

James Redenbaugh: Well, and if I'm part of what's driving, my preference, I think is the experience of like, we got partway down the road in our last little sprint and realized we had deviated, you know, too quickly from the first phase. It seemed like. Like we hadn't gotten enough clarity to you. So doing more upfront so that as we engage.

00:45:27

Rob Sinclair: Yeah. I feel like there's more early and get to you before we start. But at the same time, I'm like, I do still hold a couple questions around. Like, you know, what do you see now as a. As a congruent representation on a web presence now that we've had an experience that how does it look different to you? Because I trust you and then I trust your choice of a designer to execute, but I don't trust your people to execute with the spirit because I know you know it differently and you have a more sophisticated view. So I mean, that just might be unfair of me, but that's kind of where I'm like, oh, what does James actually see and how can he art direct in alignment with. With that?

00:46:06

James Redenbaugh: So. Well, we could do a vision session at some point before I take off to Alaska for a couple weeks on July 4th, and we could do a creative session together where we unpack some ideas, explore some things, kind of plant some seeds, check in about the creative, you know, and writing journey that. That you guys want to go on over the next few weeks and then plan to do one of the creative and visual development in. In August.

00:46:58

Rob Sinclair: That might be really helpful, actually.

00:47:00

James Redenbaugh: That sounds like a great.

00:47:01

Rob Sinclair: Yeah.

00:47:02

James Redenbaugh: Use of attention. If we plan for something that. Those first couple days in July and then.

00:47:08

Rob Sinclair: Or before whenever. Yeah, there's not many days before.

00:47:13

James Redenbaugh: I know, but my calendar looks. There is nothing before July. It is right now.

00:47:20

Rob Sinclair: When you leave on the fourth days.

00:47:23

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we fly on the fourth. Nice. Well, maybe Is there a. Do you have a link for your calendar for that kind of a vision session? Is that like a 90 minute or. James. Mm. And we can find a time for that. Yeah, that's great. That. And then we take our appropriate responsibility.

00:47:47

Rob Sinclair: Sorry, say that last bit again.

00:47:48

James Redenbaugh: What was the. That will book a time with James for that first week of July, and then we'll take our appropriate responsibility in July for doing what we think would be useful to our co creative process so that we're not holding it up in August. Awesome. Cool. You're a special human, James. Thank you. Grateful to know you, man. Thank you. They're pretty special as well.

00:48:36

Rob Sinclair: All right. Look at that. Is your. Is this your. Firefly is summarizing action items?

00:48:46

James Redenbaugh: It is. Yeah. I started doing that recently. You need to find your music, dj, photographer and videographer for the event. Yeah. Thanks, Firefly.

00:48:56

Rob Sinclair: Join the nerding out discourse and contribute to the art of sharp. Oh, wow. It's kind of scary and cool and scary.

00:49:07

James Redenbaugh: Responsible for fostering the relationship and networks among individuals who share level of maturity and openness. James is going to explore the hypothesis.

00:49:17

Rob Sinclair: Oh, my gosh.

00:49:18

James Redenbaugh: And then I'm going to send out a poll for date and time. Let's. Fascinating. Not totally wrong, but would be really.

00:49:28

Rob Sinclair: Unhelpful if that's all we had.

00:49:29

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Awesome.

00:49:36

Rob Sinclair: Okay, guys, new calendar.

00:49:39

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. Looking forward to that session.

00:49:42

Rob Sinclair: Oh, and then are you. So your Alaska trip, does that mean all the rest of July after the fourth year out?

00:49:49

James Redenbaugh: No, just until around the 17th. And I won't be unreachable there. I'll just be on a boat and then I'll be back around the.

00:50:05

Rob Sinclair: Just make you unreasonable in my mind so that you get energetic support for being unreachable. That's just what I do.

00:50:13

James Redenbaugh: Thank you. Yeah.

00:50:15

Rob Sinclair: Okay. But I think we'll look for a date for the group then. Late July.

00:50:19

James Redenbaugh: Late July. That's. Yeah, yeah, That's a clear indicator. That's great. Okay, cool.

00:50:26

Rob Sinclair: Awesome.

00:50:27

James Redenbaugh: All right, man. Good luck with the wedding planning.

00:50:29

Rob Sinclair: Oh, was this recording the audio of us? Is your. Would you be willing to share it with me? I'm. I'm sort of basically noticing we did a little bit of grounded research in terms of how would this be described. And you had some beautiful language and I would love to review it and potentially transcribe it or include it in what we create to reflect on the experience.

00:50:51

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, of course. I'll make an artifact of this and share it with you. The transcript and everything. Okay. Awesome. Yeah, that would be actually a really cool. Even of just another like a new air table. But we're. We're already collecting a few little audio snippets of people's descriptions.

00:51:08

Rob Sinclair: What if we just duplicated the Wii page, except now it just had people's audio clips describing some things about the experience and then just be like, oh, yeah, great idea.

00:51:25

James Redenbaugh: The document you guys mentioned on the Miro board, I was poking around on there.

00:51:30

Rob Sinclair: Yep.

00:51:33

James Redenbaugh: Do you. What was the name of that? Where can I find that? Lauren's going to look at the mirror and locate. Hate it.

00:51:44

Rob Sinclair: It is. It is in brown with an orange sticky over the right upper right corner of it. And it's called Toronto Imaginal Transitions. It's like, at the top of the cluster of all of the images that we shared with you.

00:52:05

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:52:07

Rob Sinclair: And if you click on it, I think. Yes, the PDF is there, so you can. It's the full PDF.

00:52:16

James Redenbaugh: Okay. Oh, yeah, I remember that one. Yeah. There you go.

00:52:19

Rob Sinclair: Yeah. I imagine the content of that, James, would be. Would be interesting to you. Yeah.

00:52:28

James Redenbaugh: Designed for a time between worlds.

00:52:32

Rob Sinclair: Yeah. They have read.

00:52:34

James Redenbaugh: That's this time. Yeah. Okay, guys, great to be with you.

00:52:40

Rob Sinclair: Take care.

00:52:41

James Redenbaugh: See you soon. Take care. Ciao.

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