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Mariko Pitts: I am in the la. San Diego area actually. Oh, lovely. How about you, Julia?

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Julia Mande: I'm in what is commonly known as New York.

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Mariko Pitts: Nice. Another very cool spot.

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Julia Mande Not right now. It is very hot right now.

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Alex Melnyk: Manhattan in particular or where in New York right now?

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Julia Mande: I'm just outside of the city in Yonkers, looking.

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Mariko Pitts: It's a.

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Alex Melnyk: It's.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

Julia Mande: Train ride into the city.

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Mariko Pitts: Great.

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Julia Mande: How about yourself?

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Alex Melnyk: I am in Harlem in the Netherlands. Oh, originally Harlem, New York.

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Julia Mande: I'll be moving to Harlem. So we'll be kin in that way.

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Alex Melnyk: Absolutely. That sounds great.

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Julia Mande: But I've been to Harlem before in the Netherlands. It's lovely.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: You have? Wow, that's. I think you're one of the few people we've ever met that says.

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Julia Mande: Oh, really? I was there for a conference a few years ago.

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Mariko Pitts: Oh, nice.

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Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: You might have walked down our street.

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James Redenbaugh: While you were here.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: It's a very picturesque place.

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Mariko Pitts: Beautiful.

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Alex Melnyk: Yeah. Good. And Michael. Sean and I are partners in life and crime. So we're both in the same house right now. Just so you know.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Crimes of love only, though. Well, that sounds weird. Heart centered crimes. I don't know. That sounds weird too. Maybe you shouldn't say crime anymore. Alex.

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James Redenbaugh: Michael Shine. Looks like you got the good office. What happened there?

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, yeah. No, my office is fake. Yeah, it's true. It's true about the whole world now. It's like we.

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Alex Melnyk: He wishes. That was his view.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Everything's artificial anymore. No, I. I have a. On my desk. This added to this where I edit and do kind of artwork stuff and take my calls. So we're in separate rooms. It's got a. Like I have an.

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Alex Melnyk: A.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: A frame roof so you can't hang pictures or anything from the wall. So all you see behind me is a. A white wall with kind of brown beams holding up the sink. So it's kind of a. It's so I don't show that I actually have a. Like a Harry Potter style office.

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James Redenbaugh: Farewell.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: I'm in the attic. Coming. The attic.

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James Redenbaugh: So.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Hey, look, look, there's. There's Stella. How are you? So great to see you.

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Stella Horgan: So happy to see you all. How are you?

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Michael Shaun Conaway: I think in many ways we're great.

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Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: So good to see you, Stella.

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Stella Horgan: You too. Laura. Lovely to see you. Marika, Alex, Michael, Sean, Julia, all of you. Lovely. Mariko you. Are you back in the US or are you still.

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Mariko Pitts: I am.

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Alex Melnyk: Finally. Finally.

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Mariko Pitts: I am.

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Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: I am.

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Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

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Stella Horgan: Did you have an amazing time in Scotland?

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Mariko Pitts: I did. I did.

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Julia Mande: It was incredible.

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Mariko Pitts: It was such a change of weather and Scenery from Lisbon, of course, but it's exactly what I needed. After waves, I tend to go into, for some reason, cold, picturesque, cold areas. I don't know why that the waves move me to those types of environments, but it's great for reflection and an inward, you know, kind of.

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Stella Horgan: Yeah, well, you know, just. Honestly, a massive congratulations to you all for the wave. It was spectacular. Honestly, I. I really didn't expect such very high production value. I. I've never. I've never been to anything like, you know, in this milieu, and it was stunning. I had such an incredible time. I learned so much. I connected. I'm in connection with a bunch of people. We're talking, they're meeting with our team, we're collaborating. There's so much cooking. And I just felt like you created this extraordinary field of love and ceremony and respect and kindness, and there was something humble about it in the midst of just that pristine, beautiful arrangement, that arrangement of beauty, you know, every single speaker and their presentation, the quality of the audio, everything was just so pristine. So I just really want to thank you very much for including me and. And for putting it on. And I'm. I'm so. Yeah, I'm so delighted as well to have a conversation with you and bring Julia in today as well.

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Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: That means so much to us, hearing that from you, especially Stella. Thank you. Thank you. That's really moving and touching and so happy. That was what we were hoping to create, but it's lovely when it actually works and come away feeling like, wow, that was really special. And we felt so honored to be. To have so many extraordinary people attend. It was truly. I think, you know, the production quality was excellent. You know, thanks to Maro and Alex and all the team and all the beautiful work that James has done on the website. All of those things. And really what made it was the incredible nature of the people that attended. I just. Everybody I met, I knew a lot of people beforehand, but every single person I met was just magical and it really created a beautiful field. So. So it's lovely to reconnect with you and really enjoyed meeting you, Stella. It was very. That was one of the highlights for me, was getting to know you, so thank you.

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Stella Horgan: Thank you so much.

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Alex Melnyk: I want to just extend a thank you to you as well, Stella, for jumping in on activation day. You and Lynn did such an awesome job and Michael, Sean and I were jumping from room to room. Like, you know, you guys were just so honored. So thank you.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Beautifully run, beautifully run session for sure.

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Mariko Pitts: I wanted to say thank you for.

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Alex Melnyk: Saying yes and pleasure. Yeah, part of that. And giving you a gift. That was really beautiful.

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Stella Horgan: It was so. I was really grateful and I was so surprised, you know, I mean, Lynn Twist, like, who doesn't want to co. Facilitate like the complete OG rock star of everything, you know, and man, she's a good facilitator. Hey, she's really good. So. And we, we had a really good time together and it also gave us time to bond and to locate each other, which is really important. So. Yeah, that, that was, that was lovely. And I hope that's a lot of fruitful endeavors come from. From that activation day.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, a lot of connections that wouldn't have happened. I mean, there's a kind of connections like you come to the event and have. Because you've come with this large purpose, this large space to draw people in. But there's a lot of people that come to the wave who don't yet have that. They're just discovering from themselves how they want to make impact and what they want to do. And especially for them, that I think that activation day, like, that really helps them to make those connections and feel like they're part of something bigger. You know, you don't want. We never want like passive participation or passive viewers the way we want people to really feel like they're being called to. And some people feel like, oh, I don't have a place there. It's like I'm not, I'm not smart enough. I'm not. I don't have enough experience. I have enough whatever. And that, that activation day kind of just moves all that stuff away and gets some. Just starting to work on things and then I think it's really wonderful. And I do want to say that, you know, you guys were both fantastic and, and Lynn, you know, even though she's like super experienced, you know, like you can add all our experience up and it'd probably just be a footnote on her resume. But, you know, just that the, the presence that, that she gave and then you're. The quality of you being in partnership. The, like the, the real capacity to hold the space was actually the, the genius of it that, that even when you guys were just standing at the side of the room, you're still holding everybody in that space in such a lovely way. So that's. That's great. And I think that, you know, the, the thing that Laura said, I just want to remark on it this, you know, like the ability to attract a room full of amazing people. And that ranges from amazing people that know they're amazing, have lots of things going on, or people that don't yet know that they're amazing and they show up in the space. Amazing. We have lots of people, like with volunteers that were just absolutely amazing, you know, like nothing on the resume. But they showed up in such an amazing way, brought so many new things. And I think in a way, I mean, part of this conversation is specifically about technology, but I've been on your app a bit and obviously I've been on our app and I think that there's a real desire to, to have the same thing happen, have a bunch of amazing people show up and make connections to each other, to the things they care about, to be able to bring things forward. And I think, I think that's a little bit different. I mean, people usually make apps for utility. You come to, you know, to get on this thing, to learn this thing or do this thing, to find your way on a map or whatever. And so in a way we're kind of forging new ground that it becomes about the people and the connections. That is one area that seems that regardless of what they're connecting for, when or where, that seems to be a real commonality. Just in the kind of first pass I saw as I kind of entered into your guys app.

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Stella Horgan: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's, that's exactly right. So I think, yeah, this, this, this call is really about some kind of collaboration between us and a discussion around how our platforms could talk to each other, etc. But before we go there, I'd really just love for Julia to introduce herself and share who she is. She's our steward of global community and she's been overseeing the whole development of the app. And Michael, Shawn and Alex very generously offered when we were at the Hollow movement to have conversations with us because you guys have been through all these processes of building an app and, and you know what a heavy lift it is. But just at the front end, I'd just love for Julia to introduce herself so you can get a sense of where she comes from and what she brings to this conversation.

00:10:42

Alex Melnyk: Wonderful.

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Julia Mande: Stella, I'm happy to jump in, although I'm meeting all of you for the first time, so it'd be really wonderful to hear a little bit about everyone as well. Maybe that'll happen over time as we collaborate too. My background career wise, has been in food systems since, I mean, honestly since a teenager. My mom was a caterer and so I've been, you know, waitressing since I was 16, but working in almost Every single part of the food system from farming to production to even some stints and distribution and indoor farming, but really rooting in to soil health back in 2018, building composting infrastructure. What's interesting is I came on to project Biome as the global community steward, but at every point in my job or career there's been some sort of tech component that I do not have a background in tech development. But either whether it's helping build resi, the reservation system or you know, all these like little things where, oh, technology is actually necessary to connect people and to have it be human centric. So, you know, I jumped right into this project and we've been building this platform and part of the thing that we're trying to solve for is that, you know, we have a really wide audience through Farmer's Footprint that does amazing storytelling and there's a lot of people that we're broadcasting out to and they need more spaces to take action. So how do we convert these people that are really listening and learning and how can we connect them with organizations that are doing the movement building around regenerative agriculture at a global scale? So we're trying to, yes, of course, connect people, but also figure out how do we take that next step in a way that is value centric, human centric and help to connect people, people to what is happening so we can actually build this global movement around regenerative agriculture because it's growing regardless. And having these connection points for consumers is going to be really like, you know, everyone's coming with on this journey.

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Stella Horgan: Just, just to add. So regenerative agriculture and regenerative. Other regenerative systems, rewilding, reconnecting humans to nature. That's our kind of core purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Great.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: And you know, sometimes it's advantageous to not be a technologist to develop things because.

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Julia Mande: Yeah.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Then you ask the questions that other people don't ask, like how can we do this?

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Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

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Michael Shaun Conaway: Instead of, oh, here's the things we can do. So, and I think you know, and you'll find in James a true technologist and transformational mind. I found out recently he's been in the transformation game since he was a child like me. So that, that you could say that that's a, that's across to bear or you could say that gives you a unique perspective. But you know, he knows both the, the worlds that we're trying to talk about and impact and create and then also deeply knows the, the technology side. So he's our guide in that My, my experience as well. I actually started off in computer engineering way back in the day and had. As a, as a software person, but I wasn't super great at it. In the days when I was in my 20s, I was a little too. Well, like maybe many coders in their 20s. I was a little too scatterbrained and would like to do Japanese calligraphy while I was coding at the same time. And eventually went back and got writing degrees, went back towards the creative world. But, yeah, I think just hadn't trusted that. If you see something and sense something in technology that either doesn't feel right or does feel right, that the human sensing is, I think, what is really most important, especially right now, inside of the kind of rapid capacity for us to develop our apps and things to prototype overnight, there's a lot of stuff that gets made that probably shouldn't get made because it's a lot easier to make things. And so, yeah, I appreciated a couple of things about the app when it first came in the code of conduct at the beginning. We've been talking about codes of conduct just this week, actually, in terms of, of our greater ecosystem and how we need to, you know, communicate that better and then pop into your app and there is that. There's that page. It was really great. And then just some of the ways that you're organizing using words, hubs and constellations and things like that, we're thinking, we're thinking similarly. Obviously, you guys have a very specific focus and specific audience that's different than ours. Ours is meant to contain the universe as far as people learning to cooperate, collaborate, and having some way to coordinate their action. So what. Yeah, I'm interested in a couple, just a couple of things. Absolutely. Any questions you have, any ways that, that Alex or James or I or Mariko can help with any questions you have about that. Anything. We can just support you with insights about the things you're doing with your app. That would be great. And then there's this crazy, crazy, crazy notion of, like, well, how do we. How do we grow our ecosystems to communicate with one another and to. To make more possible for people? And James will have to tell us a little bit more about that at a certain point. But I have a. I have this undying belief that it's possible, but also this awareness that that's not the way things are done. Things are done to, to try to take their biggest portion of market share and then compete with other people for users or customers. And so the whole, the whole paradigm, we're, we're in inside of is kind of like the tide pulling us away from collaboration and toward and towards defining our own niche, etc. Etc. So I'm, I'm just thankful that you will have this conversation that will learn something in the process of just like, well, what, what, what, what does it mean? What does it mean for Project Biome and Holo movement and holos? And then by extension then we begin to at Holo moment have the capacity to have more conversations like this. Like what are the other people and partners that we might be able to have some way to, to, you know, point to or share to or integrate or something like that. And I don't know, any of it looks like, hey, how many people are from the early days of the Internet? Does anybody remember, you know, probably circa 19? No. No, it probably doesn't. But we used to have these things. There used to be these links on websites that were, that would make website rings and you'd be on a website and there would be a button on. It's like, hey, check out my neighbor. Check out somebody that I'm connected to. And you would follow that to some other website. And it was before there was social media thing. Like this was a way that you could kind of get through the network space. Even something like that might be interesting. Here's our, our, our partners go, you know, go over here, check out our. On our side. If you were, somebody was talking about some kind of regenerative food system type thing that we could say, oh wow, you're in this, you might be interested in that. So I think with that, you know, I don't know, Marco, if you want to add anything to that and then we can tune into James.

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Mariko Pitts: Right. I see that Alex has her hand up, but I do, I think we probably need to back up a little bit because I know that Laura and I weren't privy to the conversation that you previously had that you're following up on around the app. And I think it'd be great to get a high level of like what you guys all discussed at the wave that. And then kind of like what you foresee would be some of the weaving or just. I just love some of the high level kind of thoughts that have come from your original conversation and then how we can support and maybe Alex and. Yeah, Alex and Stella pop in from there. Sure.

00:18:51

Alex Melnyk: My question's burning, but I'll try and hold that for a moment. But basically we just had, we were just connecting and getting to know each other a little bit and it was just that the wave, like our last breakfast, I think the day you were leaving Stella, that we even learned that you were working on an app, which I didn't know that hadn't been. I wasn't aware of that prior. And my question was more like, how long has the app been on the App Store? Because I think in one of my early correspondences on WhatsApp, just after the wave, you said it's still in very early stages. So I, you know, I just went on 10 minutes before to download the app. So I'm excited that it's up there. But is it. Is it just been very brief that it's up there?

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Julia Mande: Yeah, it's been. We. We did our first push onto the Apple App Store on Earth Day, and then we've been doing updates. We now have a desktop, but we're actually in the process of also doing a branding redo because we, you know, sort of were launching an mvp. Is. Is this necessary? Do people want this? And just. We've been on this sort of like listening tour with different organizations and seeing how they might want to use it. And so that's forming, like, okay, this is needed and wanted. We're starting to see the pathways, how and why. And so, you know, now radical hospitality. Bring in the branding, bring in the culture. So, yeah, it's. It's only been on the Google Play Store. Google Play, you know, whatever you call that, for a shorter amount of time. And then our desktop too. So very, very early stages. We're really appreciating this.

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Alex Melnyk: And then to answer your question, Marco, I mean, we. This is kind of what this call was about is Stella felt it would be really great to show us the.

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Mariko Pitts: What they. What they've done.

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Alex Melnyk: And so it's really to do a deep dive in what the app looks like, what features they've kind of built out already. And then I mean, we. I think we've. We all kind of fell in love and decided, yes, let's collaborate. We don't know what that looks like yet, so we didn't really have any deep conversations of what our collaboration could look like. But Stella, if you want to add anything to that.

00:21:01

Stella Horgan: Yeah, thank you. Look, I'm not sure that we. We're ready to.

00:21:05

Mariko Pitts: If we.

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Stella Horgan: I didn't. I wasn't thinking to do a demo of our app, but I'm not. Maybe we can. We can just do a screen share or something, but just to rewind a little bit. When, before I came to the Hollow movement, I didn't like, I didn't really know what I was coming into. So I, this, this thought came to me that I, I was holding the question of what can I learn about collaboration? Because that's the core business of Project Biome is enabling collaboration across the regenerative sector. And when, you know, when I looked within our organization, we are still learning how to collaborate well as teams, as individuals, as, you know, as sister or organizations. There's, there's three of us under Project Biome which Farmers Footprint, Project Biome and the Institute of Natural Law where the, the three nonprofits associated associated with Zach Bush. And so I, I realized like, I just needed to have a very, I felt very humble about it. Like I only know what I know. So let me see what I can learn from these people that are putting on this big collaboration event. And I had a moment when.

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Stella Horgan: I was, I, you know, I was looking around and there was Lynn Twist representing Pachamama Alliance. There's yourselves. Then I was talking to Alex Ferman of Frequency and all of, and the other, the Australian fellow. I can't remember what that organization. Yeah, and I was just, so I was just seeing all of these like people representing huge networks and I thought, this is interesting. We're all talking about collaboration, but we're not collaborating. Our tech doors are closed, our data, our communities. We're not even thinking about how we collaborate. And this struck me as a really interesting question because I started to sense into myself, well, what's in the way of this? And then I could sense, you know, the flicker of the, the fear of like, but what if they, blah, blah, blah, blah, what if they exploit? What if they blah, blah, blah, blah, what if they misuse? What if they, you know, and so I just felt like we were in such a high frequency place that those defensive inclinations were showing themselves. So I shared all of this with Alex Furman and he got totally overexcited and went, formed a working group on activation day with a bunch of people to talk about interoperability between systems. And I'm not sure if you're all involved in that, but that's an ongoing working group and.

00:24:01

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I heard actually.

00:24:02

Stella Horgan: Yeah, yeah, so it's juicy. Yeah, so that's, that's kind of the genesis of this thinking. And then also because I, I recognize that Project Biome and Farmers Footprint are doing a specific thing about bringing regenerative organizations together and then consumers who are learning about food and the food systems from Farmers Footprint side and hollow movements doing something very specific around groups of eight and the general public and people and what people can, you know, people can do to take action. And so how does. How do they. How does that weave? You know, how does that complement. How do we complement each other's work without getting into, like, a technical nightmare?

00:24:54

Michael Shaun Conaway: So, in a way, Marco, we didn't really. We just agreed that we wanted to get together and talk about technology. It was kind of like that, oh, let's get together and talk about technology. Bring our team. Just like, I think. So we're in kind of more of a discovery moment than a. This is the direction we should go.

00:25:10

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:25:10

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:25:11

Mariko Pitts: All right. Well, this is very helpful. I'm sorry, let me just say really quick, like. Like, thank you, Stella, for that, because that's very helpful, I think, gives me a little bit more of a foundational point of where we can kind of pop off from here. But I do think that. I see the technology was kind of like the meeting catalyst point, where it's like, oh, we have this. How can we integrate? How can we move into deeper collaboration? And I just really acknowledge. And I love that you just shared. It's like you get in a high frequency, and then the things that are in the way become mirrors. You see it in a mirror very clearly. And then it's like, how do we bust through that together? And. And that's a really common thing that I hear from a lot of people, you know, and, of course, that's one of the kind of the old structures that we have built in our systems of, like, it's mine. How do I do this? It's like, okay, and then what do we do when. What does collaboration, radical collaboration really mean? And that's actually kind of why we built the Holo movement as a movement, not as an organization to actually keep it as an umbrella, to amplify each other's work and to actually keep breaking through those barriers that come up of, like, what's ours and what's everyone, you know, and actually, everything is everyone's.

00:26:19

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Right?

00:26:20

Mariko Pitts: So it literally. It's a reframing of the mind that it takes some time to kind of work through. And I think, because of you, that you had that kind of. Whoa. That realization, that awareness that came in from your perspective, especially because you just mentioned there's, like, three nonprofits essentially holding within, like. Or within that you're holding within Project Biome with, you know, the Footprint and the Institute of Natural Law. And how do you see. And what do you think would be needed or at this point, the next evolution of, like, actually collaboration between those three. When. Let's say, coming into something like this movement of movements, which is essentially that you are all movements coming into an umbrella movement, which is basically holding the principles and the resources and the foundation for greater play, greater collaboration, greater action, and then bigger ripple effects. So from that perspective, it's almost like how can we support or look maybe at the components that you built that you necessarily need that are working. And then we can also inform us of how we're building out. Because, James, we're constantly iterating. This is just constantly growing. It's in a live platform. I think there are a couple things new this week that I didn't even know about. That, James, is just that there's so many things that it's just growing, but also how we can support. Support just. And collaborated maybe in a deeper way with actual initiatives that are happening within. Because I know that Lore is very, I mean, I am as well, but close to heart, like what you're doing with Project Biome. So it's almost like there are different ways that we can weave from a, from a technological standpoint of how we integrate and plug in. But then there's also just more of the collaborative like initiative platforms too, of.

00:28:07

Alex Melnyk: How we can weave too.

00:28:08

Mariko Pitts: So I think I'm just, I'm more interested on all different aspects that come, that can come forward. Yeah, but.

00:28:14

Stella Horgan: Yeah.

00:28:14

Mariko Pitts: Have you thought more since you've had that awareness of like what you bring and what you do so well, how we could really kind of amplify and support together?

00:28:22

Stella Horgan: Yeah, absolutely. I think the first port of call is we are where we are. We're at the beginning of our journey in terms of a platform and, you know, we don't want to keep reinventing the wheel and, and replicating.

00:28:39

Mariko Pitts: So.

00:28:39

Stella Horgan: So, you know, Alex and Michael, Sean's offer to have this conversation and go into conversation with Julia potentially and ourselves about, about how to build this out well and more efficiently so that we're not kind of down in the weeds. That's the first. That would just be an enormous benefit to us, you know, and then like, you know, Julia was very modest about how she described her background, but she's, she's really very well versed in all things regenerative, indigenous knowledge systems, etc. So I think there's a lot of weaving that can happen as well. So I think that's the first port is to some, some, some, some support in us, you know, just getting our platform up to where we want, where it needs to be. And then the, the second piece is the broader collaboration you know, that how the platforms talk to each other. It's a kind of a sexy tech question which might take ages to unravel, who knows? But then, as I think, Mariko, you've identified some. Some events. Laura, you and I wanted to talk about Purpose Earth and Project Biome as well. So I think it's. It's sort of phased. Julia, what surfaces for you?

00:30:01

Julia Mandre: There's a third piece to that. I mean, Stella just spoke to, like, there's the. There's the camaraderie around building tech, which I would really love the support around, and just understanding, like, how do we build something that actually serves people? And the goal for this is not to keep people online, but to get them to connect, to be offline together. Right. And so then the second part is like programming and actually like collaborating in both of our spaces and seeing where there's overlap. And then there's a third piece which is a little bit more meta. And I'm not sure how it might represent itself, but we're thinking through really big questions that are based on our ethos and values around data sovereignty and open source, or, you know, being indigenous, informed, and adhering to different protocols that are. That are out there around technology and creating this, like, yeah, community. Around how we're making the decisions and understanding how other people are making some of those critical, critical decisions, especially with something we're talking about now, the use of AI and all these kinds of things that for us need to be rooted in our values and in our purpose because our community comes to us for that. And since it's similar for the communities that are part of the Hollow movement as well. So, yeah, I'm excited to get into all of it, and I think there might be maybe different people on your team that might be interested in the different things like the, the tech, the programming, and then the, you know, you know, more like advisory around these. These bigger governance things. So those are the three things that I'm stewarding in within our organizations and inviting in and welcoming in and needing the. The collaboration and camaraderie within, like how other people are navigating, navigating this.

00:31:51

Mariko Pitts: Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, Laura, you get your hand up.

00:31:55

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: I. I'm interested in knowing this is a beautiful conversation and has so much depth and so, I mean, could become a. A much longer conversation than I think we're going to have today. I'm interested in knowing. And maybe you don't know, Stella, but is Zach supportive of this conversation? I know that he was supposed to speak at the event and that didn't come through. And I'm just curious to know where we stand with him and is that something that should be discussed with him and where, where, where it. And how much, how important is that to this discussion?

00:32:37

Stella Horgan: To be honest, I haven't even had a chance to catch up with him since the events. So I, you know, I hold it that with the, with the, the vision that he holds is that this, this platform is a home to the, the non profit organizations globally which in an.

00:33:06

Julia Mande: He, he.

00:33:07

Stella Horgan: I don't know where he came up with this number of 10.5 million organizations on one platform, forming like one singular organism to, so that no one is left out of a silo. You know, so strategically for me, how you do that is bring networks together. But Laura, I will specifically have that conversation with him that you raise it and I'll report back to you.

00:33:35

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Yeah, I think it'd be interesting to know because it was maybe Marco, maybe you've had some more follow up since then, but maybe through Chris. But since it was sort of, you know, since you're part of that and he didn't speak and I don't really know what happened, I was just wanted to be assured that we're in a good place with each other.

00:34:00

Stella Horgan: Right.

00:34:01

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: And that, you know, there's a mutual support and enthusiasm and, and where does that stand at this point? So.

00:34:10

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, yeah, it seems important.

00:34:14

Stella Horgan: I, I, you know, I heard at the event that he was on an airplane at the time he was supposed to speak, but I don't know if that's, I, I don't know. And he's the chair of the board and the founder and he pretty much, you know, the decision making does happen with me as the global executive director. But that, you know, that aside, I'll, I haven't had any indication of any issue at all, but I'll, I'll certainly have a conversation about it.

00:34:50

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Okay, yeah, that would be great because, I mean, it was because we had one, we had scheduled, we were scheduled Saturday, then we rescheduled for Sunday and then that fell through as well. So, you know, I just thought it would be nice to sort of have the air cleared with, with what's happening with us and.

00:35:08

Stella Horgan: Absolutely, I get you.

00:35:09

Alex Melnyk: I would like to just add to that conversation, Laura, because maybe things were happening very, very fast. What Zach did do was he was on a flight coming back. He was visiting lamara's family and the flight got delayed and then he was open to the do it from the airport, but then we all decided, like, at the moment, literally, that was going to be too noisy and he wasn't going to be settled. So he's like, I could go. And so he was willing to do it an hour later. But that just didn't work for our programming. So, like, we were the ones who said no to, like, we just couldn't, you know, we were very tight on our programming on that day. So Chris suggested that maybe he record a video, which he did, and that we could play it maybe even the next day. So Marco and I took. Actually, I looked at the video. I don't even think Mariko had time to look at the video. But again, our programming on Sunday was so chock a block, and it just didn't feel like playing a video with in the Flow because it really fit into Saturday's programming. So he was very apologetic about what had happened. So I just wanted to express that for you, Laura.

00:36:22

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Yeah, we. Everything is happening so quickly. We didn't have time to talk about a lot of things. And since then, things have been, you know how time is. But it's just flown by, so that's all good to hear.

00:36:34

Alex Melnyk: So, yeah, I just wanted to say that.

00:36:37

James Redenbaugh: Okay, Alex, maybe we should put that video up on Wave page at least a little late now, but. Or use it.

00:36:45

Alex Melnyk: You get to see it. Yeah, I'll share it. Yeah, I can share it with everyone.

00:36:51

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:36:52

Alex Melnyk: He was kind of walking on the beach and. Yeah, I. I'd like to watch it myself again. I can't really retain all of the content in it, but yes, I'd be happy to share it with everyone. Yeah, that'd be great.

00:37:07

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. All right. James, did you want to add anything, especially to what, like, Julia just brought through?

00:37:15

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, it's all very exciting. I feel the. The tendrils of this conversation very present in a lot of fields right now. Like, we're all a part of this organism that's discovering itself and moving towards a shared sense of deeper collaboration between individuals and organizations. I'm a part of the. I facilitated the tech track where Alex initiated the Trust Flow initiative. So I'm a part of that. That conversation, which is very relevant to this now as well. And it feels like not only an exciting opportunity to bridge these platforms, but like a new paradigm is emerging that's much, I think, going to be a lot more regenerative and resilient and bright than the competitive paradigm where we're coming out of. And the possibilities are. Are really exciting and endless to have, you know, profiles showing up in multiple communities. At once, to have courses taking place across different places at once, to create portals and spaces between relevant communities. And I think it's going to be more and more important to, to carve out these spaces online for us to be together. I really appreciate mentioning like in service of coming together in person, in service of doing things on the planet with the planet, like if it's not to those ends, then there's no point. But I think more and more people are recognizing that the old platforms don't service, don't serve us and were not designed to be in service to us or to planet. And they just extract our attention and our consciousness and our money and our time. And hopefully we see a lot a mass exodus from those spaces and I don't think they'll be replaced by a single new monolith, but a meshwork of interconnected communities that we get to rapidly evolve. So yeah, very much for all of us.

00:39:46

Alex Melnyk: Beautifully said. Thank you James for adding that.

00:39:53

Julia Mande: I just wanted to like affirm that multitudes, right. Like there's this networks of networks and you know, it's not going to be one, one platform to rule them all. It's never going to be that, you know, we don't have. We. I don't think that that's the direction that most of humanity wants to participate in. But having this interdependence is going to be really important. And our teams are intercultural, they're across different continents and yours are too. And that's going to also be a new norm. And so how are we building systems that also complement that? And it's a really interesting and fun and challenge. And another element that I see from your movement that, that you know, I'd love to also collaborate on is how do we bring joy and play into this paradigm shift and into this change.

00:40:42

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Awesome. A parallel conversation slash collaboration I'm trying to facilitate ongoingly is how do we hold space for these questions in designing these, these products and designing everything online where there's not a lot of the design patterns we inherit and we end up using and the tools and the processes are not life affirming or not life giving. And I'm very inspired by like Christopher Alexander's pattern language and his natural way of building and living buildings and applying that to the digital world and questioning how do we build in the digital spaces with that joy, with the curiosity, with aliveness, with the qualities that we want, with inspiration and grounding in indigenous practice and also with ethics as well. And there's really big questions in that that are bigger than I can hold and I think even bigger than our organizations. And we need to involve as many people in that as possible because there's big questions to hold and answer around how do we ethically use AI? How do we open source in ways that don't lead to, you know, monolithic companies just taking what we've done and using it for their own purposes? You know, how do we build generously while being sustainable and regenerative? There's so much to discover. So, yeah, I can. I just wanted to name that. I'm calling it a digital pattern language for lack of a better. A better name. And I'm not sure what, what form it'll take, but some kind of medium where those things can be explored and then shared.

00:42:47

Michael Shaun Conaway: Thanks, James. Super inspiring. So maybe that's why we're talking about technology. I mean, because we're looking for these ways to connect together and collaborate as organizations. And we have to kind of invent language for that and ways of being with that. And I think in so many events you see collections of logos and it's like, that's us being a. You know, it's us being a partner.

00:43:15

Mariko Pitts: You.

00:43:15

Michael Shaun Conaway: I've got my. You got my. I put your logo up on my website and, And I think a little bit is because we're just not sure what to do.

00:43:21

James Redenbaugh: We.

00:43:21

Michael Shaun Conaway: It's like we don't have the, the history, the, the shared history of, of collaboration enough to say, oh, well, here's the 10 different ways that in the past, you know, 20 years that. That cool organizations like us have collaborated. When you kind of look back, it's like you, you just don't see a lot of evidence. You see a lot of evidence of competition or, you know, acquisition and mergers. You see all these other ways that, that groups play together. And so I think one of the things that. One of the reasons maybe we kind of gravitate towards the technologies, it's something that we could do that's a. That's doing something that hasn't been done. And then it takes us back to the things James was talking about, these fundamental questions like, like what's a logon? Like what. What is entering into an app or a product? What does that mean? What does it mean to be a member? Or what does it mean to. And then what it. What it. Where is the. Where's the users? Where is it the users needs is the wrong word. Where the. Because it gets us back to marketing. But where's the years? There's like, what am I yearning for what is the connection I'm yearning for? What is the. And is that part of that, like what it means to log on to something or be a member? And so I think we're in a way that we're trying to invent language to talk about this a little bit better. So forgive me for not having any real solutions, but you know, I think that's what we're stumbling towards touching on.

00:44:52

Julia Mande: Something that we think about a lot too where with the inter organizational, how do we all connect? And part of the reason why, you know, I have such a reverence for what we're calling the constellation of organizations is because at least for the, at least for the rewilding and regenerative movement to take hold, we need to tell stories that it's possible.

00:45:13

Mariko Pitts: Right.

00:45:13

Julia Mande: And that has to happen through seeing how all of these organizations across different areas around the globe are doing it together. And so this re patterning that's happening in the digital spaces is also happening in our human spaces. And so I really love this, like, you know, multiple logos. How are we, how are we telling these stories of people working together and collaborating and how can that then pattern future generations to build in collaboration? And we can just, you know, I think Mariko said like break through some of the, some of the, you know, the things that surface or like we can't do it. Like actually we can and we are. And how is the question we're all figuring out together.

00:45:59

Mariko Pitts: Actually, I think. Wait, when did the, when did you launch your app? I'm actually playing with it right now. I'm just logging in. That's why I'm looking down by the way, getting into it so I can kind of at least discover what's happening.

00:46:10

Julia Mande: Yeah, the first launch was just in April and we are, you know, we're pushing an update. We're pushing updates ideally every two weeks for just minor tweaks. On Fridays we're going to, we're going to have one next week. We have a desktop, but it's early stages, like we haven't sharing it with people that we want to co build with and the early adopters and really like trying to root in with the people that see their participation as like complementary to the work they're already doing. So we're not just like adding something to someone's workload. So we want to build with that tight knit and then, you know, resonate that out.

00:46:51

Mariko Pitts: Okay, yeah, that's funny because I, I mean this partly I, I know that one of the lessons, we talked to Zach, he was very interested. When I was talking about what we were building with our app, he was very interested. I remember him saying. He was like, this is exactly what we want to build and maybe we kind of work together and we don't have to reinvent the wheel here. So. So it's. We'll see. It may be good because I know Zach was really interested to bring him back in on the tech conversation too, because I think it sounds like what we can all do, it's maybe even bigger to what Project Biome. It could just. It's integrating with or it's all sorts of things that we can do in a bigger way with what we've created. And I think that was a lot of the shining idea. But I do think that, you know, many layers to it, like, we can definitely support and. And see how we can really work with what you've already created and how we can integrate or it can be interoperable in some way or connect to this maybe, you know, in some way. So. And I definitely, probably. I think we probably can have some different conversations with James and see how that weaving can happen from a technological aspect. But, yeah, it might be good to read it. Probably. It's time to reconnect with Zach anyway. I should probably send him a text anyways, say hello. But. But I do think that there's something bigger here that's really emerging and bubbling up that's going to be really fantastic. So I think we should just probably continue with these conversations and maybe, you know, we should probably have a pro. A Purpose Earth Project Biome conversation too, just from the organizational, you know, perspective too. So I think we can break that up and maybe set up a time for that. Yeah, I think that would be fantastic.

00:48:43

Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

00:48:44

Mariko Pitts: It sounds like this can be broken up now from. Into different conversations.

00:48:48

Alex Melnyk: I think we.

00:48:49

Mariko Pitts: That's what we need to do at this point. And just seeing right now what's emerging and how we can break it up.

00:48:53

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think James and I can spend a little bit of time just reviewing your app and give me our thoughts and, you know, about things that we've tried or done before and ask some questions that might just be helpful in the short term for you as well. I do a lot of. At. James will tell you I do lots of app reviews. He's been at the other end of that barrage of questions, recommendations, so be really appreciated. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because I, I do understand that that often we're, you know, developing these pieces of software with tech companies that may not even really completely understand what it is that we do or why we do it. And so we're happy to just help and support, even if that, that really base, you know, basic level.

00:49:41

James Redenbaugh: For sure.

00:49:41

Julia Mande: Yeah, that would be so helpful. You know, I'm so aware of like what's in our backlog for next updates that sometimes the, like the user interface, I relate to it so differently because I'm like, I know this is going to be tweaked and how. So having fresh eyes and having people that are looking at it through that lens is going to be really, really supportive.

00:50:00

Michael Shaun Conaway: And in that process, if you want to share wireframes or screenshots of new things like that, we don't need to see an app functioning to comment on what we're seeing and how it might function.

00:50:12

James Redenbaugh: So.

00:50:17

Mariko Pitts: Alex, I think you're up.

00:50:18

Alex Melnyk: I had a question, Stella, to under. I'd love to understand, I think we all would. How Origins fits within Project Biome because it is one of, it's kind of under the umbrella and you didn't mention Origins, so how does that. Because we're in conversations obviously with Chris about Origins.

00:50:37

Stella Horgan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Origin is a project of Project Biome and you know, Chris has pretty much been developing it as, as, as a, as its own projects and.

00:50:58

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Sort of.

00:50:59

Stella Horgan: Excuse me, slightly embarrassingly, I'm facing a similar dilemma with, with Origin, who's also. Emilio's building an app for Origin and for. For weeks now I've been having this, this conversation of how did, how do these platforms talk to each other and we still, we haven't resolved it yet, which is very, very annoying as an in house problem.

00:51:24

Alex Melnyk: Yes, I can imagine. You know, and everything's happening so fast.

00:51:29

Stella Horgan: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And so anyway, that's, that's an ongoing.

00:51:34

Alex Melnyk: Conversation and because, because my understanding from Chris is that he wants, want Origins is going to be a yearly thing going forward hopefully, obviously with this.

00:51:45

Stella Horgan: Exactly. And you know, they, they're building a massive network and of course we want all of those people coming through the Biome collective as well.

00:51:56

Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

00:51:56

Stella Horgan: To find the place where they want to take action. And, and of course the Hollow Movement app would also be beautiful. What I. One thing I wanted to mention was that beautiful thing you built, James, where, where it sort of matches people or it analyzes values and interests etc. And does matches. I love that. I'm really curious about that.

00:52:21

James Redenbaugh: Thank you.

00:52:22

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: I'm so sorry I have to hop off you guys. It was lovely speaking.

00:52:27

Mariko Pitts: Yeah.

00:52:27

Julia Mande: Looking forward to the next call.

00:52:28

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Stella, let's connect soon on. On Project Biome and Purpose Earth. Looking forward to connecting.

00:52:35

Stella Horgan: Love to.

00:52:36

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Okay, I popped my phone into the chat for you.

00:52:39

Stella Horgan: Okay, perfect. Thank you.

00:52:41

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye.

00:52:42

Stella Horgan: Bye.

00:52:43

Mariko Pitts: Bye, Laura.

00:52:43

Michael Shaun Conaway: Bye, Laura. James, do you know Emilio? Have you ever met him?

00:52:49

James Redenbaugh: No, I don't think so.

00:52:50

Michael Shaun Conaway: Yeah, we should get you introduced to him too.

00:52:53

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, I was gonna say Portal. Right, Emilio, Portal.

00:52:56

James Redenbaugh: Portal.

00:52:56

Michael Shaun Conaway: He's done a bunch of other things. They're really interesting technologists as well and has been in this kind of community space for a long time as well. So you certainly should be part of our network of Holo movement technology people that. And also just because them. And then going back to. Even with what hubcast is doing, these are the places where these are kind of entry points to large audiences of people that, that, you know, like, that also needs something really far. If you give me using a techie word. We need something sticky. You need something that people find interesting that they want to hang around for. Not just a concert or an event or a moment, but there's something that has meaning for them in their lives. And so we should. I'll reach out about that. James, about Emilio as well. Marco, if you want to be part of that too. I don't know if that's through Chris or just Dracula with Amelia, but we.

00:53:55

Mariko Pitts: I. I have a call with Chris on Monday, so let me talk to Chris and see kind of what's, you know, what's happening in the greater field and how we can collaborate more on Origin too. And maybe it is technological and some other ways too. And Stella and Julia maybe. I know that also. James, you had your hand up, so I definitely want to throw it right back to you in a minute. But how far in the development of the app is it for Origin? Is this something that's well in. Or do they need support?

00:54:25

Stella Horgan: I'm not sure exactly where they are.

00:54:27

Julia Mande: Okay to speak to that as well. Like, you know, because I'm building with Emilio. See, he's my, you know, partner on this and. And okay, we've been working together like. And so I think also part of what's really healthy for collaboration is understanding what the, you know, what the whole of the one thing is so that there can be interconnection that is like not, you know, it's. There's clear. There's clarity on what it is and what it's not. And so what's. One of the really important things for our platform is skill sharing within the regenerative movement. It's also storytelling, which is as important and Culture building. But because the skill sharing part is quite different from what Origins is creating, I know that the overlap is going to be in the storytelling. And so as we get there, there'll be probably be a good funnel of audiences or collaboration. But Origins is a. It's a cultural event. It's a community event.

00:55:22

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: It's.

00:55:23

Julia Mande: It's. It's local to a place, but it's experienced globally. So there's definitely places of overlap. But yeah, I think with any collaboration, we have to know, like, who, you know, what you guys are holding that we're not, and what we're holding that. That you're not. So there can be healthy overlap.

00:55:43

Mariko Pitts: Okay.

00:55:44

Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

00:55:45

Mariko Pitts: James, over to you. And I've got a run too, pretty soon in a couple minutes. I can go a couple minutes over, but need to.

00:55:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I just wondered if you could share what stack you're using for your technology and I'd be happy to share ours. So we could start to see are we. Are we using similar.

00:56:06

Mariko Pitts: Compatible.

00:56:07

Julia Mande: Yeah.

00:56:08

James Redenbaugh: Compatible languages. I mean, everything is compatible these days.

Julia Mande: But let's have a conversation with Emilio and we can have that kind of huddle where we start to look at inter.

00:56:17

Laura K Rose Purpose Earth: Op.

00:56:17

Julia Mande: Interoperability, you know, because I'm more of the concept design and really rooting in and understanding who our users are and what that community is and having, you know, my, My whole career being in that. But when it comes to, you know, when it comes to most of the tech stuff, that is. That is Emilio's role.

00:56:37

James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

00:56:38

Mariko Pitts: Yeah. Great. All right, cool. All right, so I think we need.

00:56:43

Alex Melnyk: To set up a couple of calls, so. A tech call. Yeah. Julia, sorry, we didn't get to all of that today. I think there was. But we can set.

00:56:52

Julia Mande: This is a great conversation. There are going to be many.

00:56:55

Alex Melnyk: Yeah, yeah. It's very important to kind of really discuss all of this because it is the first time we reconnected with Stella since the wave, so we have that group. Stellar. Is Julia in our group? Because we can communicate in that to find a time that works.

00:57:12

Michael Shaun Conaway: And that's outer there.

00:57:14

Mariko Pitts: I know. Is James in that group as well? Are you in that group?

00:57:17

Stella Horgan: No, I don't think so.

00:57:18

Alex Melnyk: Or I could just create a whole new WhatsApp thread. No, just.

00:57:22

Mariko Pitts: We got too many WhatsApp groups. Just add everybody to that.

00:57:25

Alex Melnyk: Okay.

00:57:26

Mariko Pitts: As long as everybody's in there, we can break off and. Yeah, that sounds good. Great.

00:57:29

Alex Melnyk: And then, Mara, will you want to be on that next call? The tech call? Will you want to be joining that one as well? Just because then I. Yeah, I think so.

00:57:38

Mariko Pitts: I'll probably join both. Both with that one. And Purpose Earth as well.

00:57:41

Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

00:57:42

Mariko Pitts: So, Stella, I think you and I and Laura can figure out a Purpose Earth. I'm on the board of Purpose Earth too. So it's always good for me to kind of have another touch point as well, because I also bridge the main bridge for Holo movement as well, just for the full linking. So I think. I think with the three of us, we can really jam on that and just kind of see. And of course, if anybody else really wants to be on there, Julia too, I don't know.

00:58:04

Alex Melnyk: I'm the partnership catalyst. I'd love to be on that call.

00:58:07

Stella Horgan: Alrighty. Excellent.

00:58:09

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, we can figure that out. I think we'll do a call on that. Okay, so. And Michael, Sean, if you want to lead, moving the tech group meeting ahead, that'd be great if you guys can find a time for that. Just let me know if we can get on that one.

00:58:22

Michael Shaun Conaway: I think our approach, Marco, probably will be to just explore around a little bit with Julia, maybe with Emilio, just like have a couple of conversations, not make any decisions about what to do or how to do things, but just try to explore the space a little bit more. And as soon as we start to feel something emerge, then we'll bring it back to you and Laura, maybe. Stella.

00:58:44

Mariko Pitts: And I think that's fantastic.

00:58:46

Michael Shaun Conaway: That's a better idea because we don't want to get. We don't want to get everybody in every call.

00:58:50

Mariko Pitts: Yeah, no, no, yeah.

00:58:52

Alex Melnyk: Just.

00:58:52

Mariko Pitts: Just let us know where appropriate.

00:58:58

Michael Shaun Conaway: I mean, I feel like of all the people that we connected with as far as other organizations, there's something just super sweet about. About Project Biome and, you know, Ian, More Origin sounds great and it's got this kind of big pizzazz, but Project Biome kind of has the soulful feel to me, that's something. We just really want to hang out with you guys and be your friends.

00:59:18

Stella Horgan: Yeah. Saying same from my side as well. I want to hang with you guys as well. So amazing. Thank you all so much. Hey.

00:59:28

Mariko Pitts: Yes, I'm so. I'm. Unfortunately, we just didn't get to hang out enough. Stella.

00:59:33

Alex Melnyk: I was just like.

00:59:34

Mariko Pitts: I just. I love running into you and seeing you in action. It's like, oh, you're so cool. I love it.

00:59:38

Stella Horgan: I know you. You gave me such a great hug. Like, we. We just like, okay. I haven't spoken to you, but he has a incredible hug. So amazing. I look forward to.

00:59:48

Mariko Pitts: We're just like yeah. Trans. Transferring information through the hugs. And then.

00:59:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:59:53

Alex Melnyk: Julian, Stella, I'm gonna put once. Julia, you join the WhatsApp thread, I'm gonna put in the Holos app so you guys can jump on the app and. And get in and have take a look.

01:00:03

Mariko Pitts: Oh, yeah, get in there, too. Yeah.

01:00:05

Alex Melnyk: Yeah.

01:00:06

Mariko Pitts: Sounds like. Stella, you might already be in there, right?

01:00:09

Stella Horgan: Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:09

Mariko Pitts: Okay. That's great.

01:00:11

Stella Horgan: Okay, fabulous. Look forward to the next time. Lots of lots.

01:00:14

Mariko Pitts: Absolutely.

01:00:16

Alex Melnyk: Have a wonderful weekend, everyone.

01:00:19

Michael Shaun Conaway: Bye, J.