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Audrianna Jacques: Is being recorded.

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James Redenbaugh: Hi, Audrey.

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Audrianna Jacques: Hey, James. How's it going?

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James Redenbaugh: It's going good. I'm just getting my camera connected.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, no problem.

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James Redenbaugh: How are you.

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Audrianna Jacques: Doing? Well, I'm leaving for Zion just a little bit after we finish our call. I have a client up there who is. Yeah. Who is doing a retreat and so I'm going to go shoot some content for her over the weekend.

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James Redenbaugh: Nice.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. How are you feeling? Better.

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James Redenbaugh: I'm feeling a lot better. Physically. I'm feeling. I'll just use this camera for now. I don't know what's going on with my other one. I'm feeling. I don't know what. In other. In other domains. I feel.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: Overwhelmed and behind and kerfuffled. But it's all part of the process. Physically, a lot better today. I think it's been kind of working three jobs at once is catching up to me. Being the filling in for the things that I was expecting Mun to do last month and. And the things I was expecting work to do. It. It's too much and unsustainable and it's less intense now this month, but I think it's all catching up to me and. And then there's still more to do and I'm going to this conference next week and I still have to, like, write my talk and think about that and remember how to speak publicly. And I don't even know if I. How to remember that because it's been like, I don't know, six years. And I wanted to demo this.

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James Redenbaugh: This app idea, but I don't think that's gonna happen because I don't think we'll have a. A very good demo ready for that. And wedding planning is so much more involved than I thought it would be. But it's all coming together. I'm in one way or another and I'm trusting that it's. It's working out. I'm learning a ton. It feels like a kind of crisis moment that really forces me to shift things up and re examine things and do things differently. And if we're really lucky to. To have really wonderful clients that are like super flexible and just love working with us and aren't. Aren't too demanding at the moment, and there's a lot to do, but no clients are really stressing me out and I feel really grateful for the. The support we have on the team right now.

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James Redenbaugh: It's a bummer that Munia's sick, but she's still really awesome and I'm really excited for her. To start feeling better and to do more with her. And Ivan's been doing a lot of great stuff and the team in Kosovo has really been stepping it up and I'm starting to work with another team in Germany who's able to do design and webflow development tasks, so delegating things to them. And I'm really grateful for the work that we've been getting into and the support I'm receiving from you, even though we haven't got you working on any client projects yet. And just, I'm grateful for this conversation and the ways that it's got me thinking about the business.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, sounds like you have. Amidst all of the stress of getting all the things done, there's a lot of beauty that's happening around you know, and within the things that you're doing that makes a big difference when you're. You've got clients that are super flexible and love to work with you guys that aren't super demanding. I have. And that you have the team of Kosovo. I have. We can talk about it sometime during the call today, but there's a designer that I've been working with. She's a graphic designer and she does branding and it's super feminine, it's super earthy. I've come in contact with her multiple times and so I wanted to know, like, you know, I think I have a couple branding kits from her that she's done for some of my clients.

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Audrianna Jacques: So I can send them to you and then, you know, if you want me to make the, if you're interested, then I can make the connection. You know, I just got really interesting stuff, so.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to. That'd be great.

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Audrianna Jacques: Name is, I'm working with Sammy and an Emmy. She's the Sammy. Yeah. And the work that we're getting into. So I've been just kind of taking a couple minutes every day to just kind of look at the notes that I've taken from the calls and you.

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James Redenbaugh: Know.

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Audrianna Jacques: You, like, I, I think I, I said to you recently, like, you look at things in 3D, you know, and I find like as we're talking, we round these corners sometimes that are like very three dimensional on where you need your more organization or more support. And so I have them kind of all in. In notes, in fact. But you would probably. The way that you see things 3D, I can see you putting it more into kind of like shapes, you know. That's been really cool to watch you do. But I think what we came to at the end of the call last week was we talked about personal, your personal time management, you know, and I have four different pieces here, so I'll just kind of review them.

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Audrianna Jacques: But the first one was to con for you to continue to evolve your time sheet and just time in general, but tracking timelines for the. Okay, let me start with the. Your personal time sheet. You know, and you mentioned today that it feels like there's kind of like a, a crisis that's happening, but it's the type of crisis that really moves you to change things. And one of the things that you said on Tuesday, I think when we spoke, or Monday, that you have like, you're like, I don't really want to track my time because then I will see how little I'm really getting paid for my time.

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Audrianna Jacques: And I, I kind of laughed because I have, I do this with even like some of my, just closest friends will be chatting and I'm like, are you tracking how much time, you know, you're spending on everything? You know, and they say the same thing. I don't really want to find out, you know, how much I'm really putting in. But that's one of those really powerful metrics that can bring us to our knees, you know, and then make us go, yeah, no, this is not worth it, this part. Nope, gotta drop that.

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Audrianna Jacques: So, and then another thing that we talked about was how to track the timelines of projects and we got into a really cool conversation about like building landing pages that are for each client that show the things that need to be done by what time and make it interactional and have like scoreboard countdowns and those can be organized by project and team member. So you can be able to filter it on your end and see what does every creative have that needs to be done by like Friday for example, and then figure out what needs to be delegated to somebody else or what needs to be communicated to the client and will help you to make more effective proposals for your clients.

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Audrianna Jacques: Because you can see what everyone's working with and of course that will be use that's useful for you now as you're acting as project manager and as you bring somebody in to do that. There's a lot of benefits to that and that may be kind of one of the longer term projects to, for you to put attention and energy into, because I think it will require a little bit of the coding elements and you Know, I'm not sure actually what the term is, but the things that you're building that it's. It's a built, you know, it's kind of like an app. I don't know if that's what you call it, but would require.

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James Redenbaugh: Portal. Yeah, a portal.

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Audrianna Jacques: Okay. Yeah. Building the portal so that you have those filter features and you have those countdown features related to the items. But I think that would be really beneficial. We've been kind of. I know that you've been kind of chipping away at the roles and descriptions. We've also got agreements and budget for the new team members. And we looked over the. Let's see, you had. You started working on the outline for those roles and a little bit of their descriptions. And then were talking about. I think we started kind of went on a journey with the proposals and time management and then into allocation of funds. Once you mentioned you brought up the money, we started talking about, well, how much would it cost to bring these people in? These are, you know, these different roles.

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Audrianna Jacques: And that kind of got us talking about, well, the accounting really is what needs to be put. Gotten an order so that you can allocate different funds to bring in project manager or the. The nurturing roles, the connective tissue roles. So some of the things that I recommended was, you know, if you have peers and peers or colleagues who have accountants to get kind of an idea of how much it would cost to have an accountant for your type of business, and then to see if there's any leads on referrals that these friends, peers or colleagues have so that you can get that money in order and start to identify where those funds for project manager and connective tissue network nurturing roles would come from.

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James Redenbaugh: Yes.

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Audrianna Jacques: Do you have. Do you have any updates on those things?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. I've asked all the creatives that we're working with right now to give me an accounting of last month, how their efforts distributed across different projects I had them working on. I realized just now none of them have gotten back to me yet. And. And that makes me realize right now we don't have a way of tracking, a good way of tracking internal requests and things like that. And maybe we should use the same.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: The same system that we're using for clients for internal things. I'm also realizing, like, I was talking to Yvonne about the work that allies doing. Allies, the team in Kosovo, and he was like, barely aware of what they were doing. And because, you know, in my mind, I have things that they're working on and I have things that Ivan's working on and I don't want to overload either of them and I want to avoid like them just kind of working over each other. But it's such a missed opportunity to have more inter team communication and certain conversations should be shared amongst everybody, like especially around standards and practices and tools that we're using and stuff like that.

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James Redenbaugh: And so I realized some silos going on and so I'm trying to, I'm redesigning our Slack channels and the ways that we're making things visible for people to increase that awareness of different projects for everybody so that everybody can kind of at least glean and grok what's being done elsewhere so we all can learn and you know, check each other's work in a way. We always see things that. It always helps to have an extra set of eyes on a project.

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Audrianna Jacques: Totally.

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James Redenbaugh: And so I need, I have on my list to reach out to two colleagues that I've worked with in the past about the, what they're doing for accounting. But, and I can actually, I should also ask the two teams that I'm working with, like, how do they handle that? My team's in Europe, but I feel like until I have, when I have a clear sense of our accounting for April, which we're getting to, I'll feel more equipped on how to onboard and integrate an accountant because I feel like right now I could throw everything we have in an accountant and they would just. I don't know. If I was an accountant, I would be mad at me as a client.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: But you know, because I know where everything is and I know the ins and outs of things. So I need to spend some time with stuff. And we're really lucky to have a. We use a tool called Bonsai. Have you heard of it?

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: That does a ton of our accounting for us. So it's like it makes it pretty easy to be an accountant if you actually get in there and update stuff. And then in thinking about the. I've kind of moved away from the archetype descriptions that I had last week or earlier this week. And I'm thinking more about the kind of structural pieces of the puzzle and the different perspectives that need to be held in it. So it's not so much like 12 roles, 12 different role, 12 different people in my mind. It's like there's, you know, maybe four or five structural things and four or five key perspectives. And the structural things are like processes and the processes for how we hold meetings, how is it, how are they recorded? How do we generate an artifact from that?

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James Redenbaugh: How do we do work, how do we report that, how do we work with contractors? You know, the, how do we work with clients, how do we form agreements, all these how to's that exist in various forms of definition at this point, mostly unwritten, you know, or unarticulated, that should get articulated. And so one of the perspectives or kind of views or roles in the system that I see we need is the articulator, the person that's making all of these things literal and tangible. And that's different from the ideator or the visionary who sees how it can get done.

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James Redenbaugh: And I tend to be really good at seeing how it should be done and good at talking about it and then really bad at taking the time to write out the sops or you know, make a clear document about how we should do things and distribute that. It tends to just kind of live in my head or live in conversation with people. And then, and so then another structural part is project organization. How are we organizing our client projects and our internal projects? How do we think about them, how do we break them down? You know, and that gets into the two kind of branches where we have the monthly rhythm and the project based rhythm. And then there's roles that are very project and client focused, like project client manager or account manager.

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James Redenbaugh: You know, we need somebody who's, or we need a role in the system for somebody who's taking care of the client, advocating for their needs, responding to their messages, you know, organizing things for them, making sure that the team and the creative are working for them and aware of timelines and things like that. I'm just going to write something down. And then another kind of role in that area is the creative, the person doing the work who we know well. And then we also need the, like the art or the higher level person that can see the whole process, that understands the client's needs and understands what the team can do. And I'm seeing that the client manager, it's more important that they understand the client needs.

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James Redenbaugh: And you know, of course they need to understand what the team can do, but they don't need to understand how the team will do it. You know, they don't need to be able to do it themselves if they have to, but the art director does. You know, the person in that role, if they need to understand how the development happens, how the design happens, how the copywriting happens all these parts and then that enables them to play this higher level role and they're, and that makes them very valuable as well.

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James Redenbaugh: So they should be, their time should be used most sparingly because it can, if it's, if the system's designed well, they can be used across different, you know, multiple projects where a client manager, you know, might just have three or four projects that they're responsible for at a given time and a creative might have three or four projects. The director may, you know, they might only need to be involved once a week or once every two weeks on a project to check in and see how things are going, make sure things are going according to plan. And, and as I'm talking about these things, I think that there are like actually three parts of the equation. There's the structure, there are these roles that we're talking about, like accountant, creative, art director.

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James Redenbaugh: And then there are like views or qualities that are less tangible, more like time awareness, you know, or creativity, stillness, emptiness. I think quality is a good term for that because realistically people in these roles will have different, you know, a number of these different qualities. We don't just need one person who is aware of time. We, we need one person who's like the most aware of time. And then we need everybody to be somewhat aware of time. And yeah, and so real quick, the other two structural things are like resources, so different from processes. Processes are really kind of scripts, you know, things that play out in time.

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James Redenbaugh: Resources are things that exist and grow over time, like a library of the tools that we use, learning resources, templates that we can use in future projects and you know, anything that can benefit any part of the process. Templates for new projects, templates for proposals, templates for invoices. All of these static assets that add value to what we do. And right now, you know, we have a lot of these things, but they're not organized in any central place because we lack people with the quality of that recording, organizing, filing, sorting kind of thing.

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James Redenbaugh: And then the fourth structure, and there might be more, but the way I'm thinking about is the fourth structure is the team itself and how we're putting people together and deciding, you know, which people are a part of which conversations, who goes into what slack groups, what team members are we using and what projects, you know, how do we facilitate intra team communication and inter team communication between other teams and clients. And I think that's kind of it. At least right now that feels like I Mean, I'm probably missing something, but it feels like those are the four, you know, wheels of the car, you know, and we have the. The engine and the. Or, you know, that's a bad metaphor. Those are the four elements and the three forces that. That govern them. Something like that.

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Audrianna Jacques: Have you created one of the. One of your designs that. That articulates this, or is it a sketch? It's sketch.

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James Redenbaugh: It is a sketch.

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Audrianna Jacques: Aw. And is it the. The four that are on the circle in the middle?

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James Redenbaugh: No, no, it's not. It's like, I need to reorganize it, but there's one.

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Audrianna Jacques: Got it.

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James Redenbaugh: And then I just. I have the list of the. The structure, roles and qualities, and. And in the center, just have some kind of. No, it's you. It's a. It's in process.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I figured. I. I figured that as you were saying it, there was. You were having a visualization with it, so I'm excited to see how. How that evolves.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I just put it down on paper because it's been living in my head.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, that's great.

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James Redenbaugh: A. A mentor of mine. Well, not really my. A mentor of my parents who's kind of a complex character, but I grew up in the context of his thinking. He's got an incredible mind, and he is a philosopher of management and coordination and ontology. He's also a bit of a dictator with a. Like a. He. He was in Allende's cabinet in Chile when Pinochet came to power, and Pinochet came in and murdered everyone in the. In the cabinet with, you know, machine guns. And he was the only one to survive somehow.

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Audrianna Jacques: Wow.

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James Redenbaugh: And. But they put him in jail and, like, tortured him, and somehow he got a silent. Like, they. They brought him to the US and he was a computer scientist, and he taught at Stanford, and he taught like, some of the. The founders of Google, and. And, you know, he was a part of the discourse of the Web as it was taking form. He never. He couldn't really overcome the shadow of the. The dictator, which is another story. And why I kind of take everything he says with a grain of salt. But one thing I really have found to be true myself, that he's. He says a lot that intelligence doesn't exist in the mind. It exists in the space of conversation. It's not. It's not an individual thing. Like, it's the. The dialogue and the discourse is more real than my own thinking.

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Audrianna Jacques: Right.

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James Redenbaugh: And I feel like all this is coming out even Though I'm just kind of brain dumping on Peter right now. Yeah, I feel like we're seeing this together and you're really helping me get this clarity.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yes. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I really like that it doesn't. It, it may start, the ideas start in the mind, but it really takes root and flowers and blossoms, you know, in working with other people in the conversation. And it's like. So my background's in a lot of plant medicine and psychedelics and there's, I see often, like sometimes people come out and they can't articulate their experience. And so part of the integration process is obviously saying like, you got, you got to say something. You have to find some way to articulate, even if it's just like, I don't know, it was a black blob, you know, like, start from that place.

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Audrianna Jacques: And the way, like over the years, the way that I kind of perceive it is that, sure, you're touching into something that is out of this physical realm, whatever that means for people. But it, when you speak about it, you're creating a vibration. When you write about it, you're putting it on a paper and you're making all of that matter. And in two ways you're making it matter. Not like it's in a physical, it's in a physical vibration, you know, that can be tracked. It's on a piece of paper, it's on a canvas, on a audio file, whatever, and you're making it matter. Now it matters because it's a shared experience. It's not just something that is, you know, one person is perceiving. It's, it's able to be perceived by other people.

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James Redenbaugh: Totally. Now I have to share something else on another tangent. Yeah, because you're speaking to this, Speaking of transcendent experiences. I was, I was sober at the time, but it was a, the most psychedelic experience I've ever had was a out of body, near death experience I had when I was 22, 21. And it would take me hours to explain the whole thing, but I, I left my body had a very beautiful, profound, also kind of cliche NDE experience. I don't know if you've ever read like NDEs or. And when I came back in these beings told me that I could come back to Earth. And I was chill, like I was chilling on in this other plane, this other dimension, without a worry in the world. And they were like, you can go back if you Want. Oh, yeah, let's. Let's do it.

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James Redenbaugh: I didn't know that was an option. And they sit me down in this chair, they bring me into this other room. And it's like. I describe it as being at like, the top of a water slide thing, like before I'm coming back in. And words never do it. Do it justice. And it. One can only remember so much from that kind of experience. But I remember these two beings sitting on either side of me and telling me things before I go back in. And I remembering that same experience before coming into this life as a. As a child and having these two beings kind of saying these. These sentiments to me at the same time. So it's like in stereo, these important messages. And one of them was like, you're. You'll only remember of this experience what you need when you need it. And.

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James Redenbaugh: And they said that I'm very lucky to. To be remembering as much as. As I will. And. And then they said a bunch of things I don't remember. But one of the things I do remember that really stuck out with me was the only thing that matters is your relationships with others. And I knew that before the nde. And I feel like I have known that my whole life, and I felt it, but after that experience, I've known it to be like, literally true, where the only thing it. Our relationships are actually more material than material itself.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: And. And matter exists to facilitate these relationships that we're having with others and the experiences of connecting and learning and growing together, which in this century has a lot to do with moving beyond our individual selves, you know, or what we. What we think of ourselves as these separate, isolated I. Experiences which aren't. Aren't so separate as such. And we can't just like, negate the. The eye and the individual. We have to transcend and include it. But I think that my eye is actually an illusion. Thinking that I'm separate is actually more a function of a bigger collective thing that we're all a part of. So. Yeah, I feel like I had to share a little.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, yeah. It's like a connecting piece with, like, it. You. You have to make it matter, you know, to make these experiences inside of us. Ma. They don't. They're not matter until they come outside of us. And when they're coming outside of us and they're there to be shared and experienced by somebody else. And that connects with what you're saying that the. The only thing that really matters, the only thing that's material, it's you know, in this existence is really a. Relationships with others. So it's like sharing that. That the things that we have inside of us with somebody else.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And it's like it becomes real when it's shared. I can go off into the woods and. And write a song, you know, write a bunch of music and keep it to myself and never talk to anybody again. And then it's like. It's like it might as well have never happened. It was just a dream. But if I share it and people, you know, listen to that song and share that song, then it becomes real. It's a part of our collective experience.

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Audrianna Jacques: Exactly, exactly. I'm working on a book right now, and that's been a big motivation for it is to. It just, you know, who. Who would ever know? Whoever knows. We don't really ever share our entire stories with one person unless it's our life partner, you know, and even that sometimes, like, you know, we can be together. My dad still tells my mom's stories, and she's like, why I never knew that about you. You know? But there's something kind of magical about putting it all down for people, to people that I don't even know could relate with, you know?

00:40:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. What's your book about?

00:40:54

Audrianna Jacques: It's about the arc of my. Of my life as it pertains to some pretty significant events when I was a teenager. And I hope to be able to carry it through my experiences with the medicine, with plant medicine. But I have about 15 years of plant medicine, and so I'm not sure. It's almost like equal and equal at this point of the arc of the things that happened, that occurred when I was a teenager to the years that I've been healing. But I would like to. I would like to have that all in there and to provide like, that accessible path that I found with the medicine and as it mirrors my.

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Audrianna Jacques: My experiences and also to give other people a bit of a road map through their experiences that have been very internalized or suppressed and how to not go into further bypass with the medicine. I see that a lot with people who have the type of trauma that puts them into dissociation. Medicine can further that. But the community and the support, mentorship, just friendships that I have in the medicine have really pushed me in to that instead of meandering, getting really lost. And so, yeah, I just, I want to document that and all the people, all. All the relationships that I've had along the way, all the mistakes that I've made and Lessons that I've learned and crazy situations I got myself into, you know, to immoralize it. As long as the. The paper and the digital files exist, you know.

00:42:49

James Redenbaugh: Beautiful.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

00:42:51

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. I can't wait to read it one day.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. That like 20 chapters. 20 chapters, which is a lot for a book that's not even halfway done, you know, but keep writing it, you know, It'll be done when it's done.

00:43:08

James Redenbaugh: You're really a Renaissance woman.

00:43:13

Audrianna Jacques: Yes. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, I. I don't follow. I just have to follow the things that excite me and interest me. And the writing has been waiting for a long time to, like, occur. It's been incubation. It's like. Yeah. And then an incubation. And I've recently done some plant diets that really kind of opened that up and just. It was just became time, you know. You were at Niue Ra, right?

00:43:49

James Redenbaugh: What?

00:43:49

Audrianna Jacques: Who were you at? Niue Rao. Does Aaron know? You said new way around.

00:43:53

James Redenbaugh: No, no, I don't know.

00:43:55

Audrianna Jacques: That's a center down in Peru. And I was again, speaking with friends to further the point about relationships, talking about my. Some of my experiences. And I have a friend who said, audrey, like, you have like, boutique trauma. You know, it's like so. So un. Kind of unusual. And I was like, I know. I don't know where to start the book. And he was like, that story that you just told is the beginning. You know, just start with that. So a lot of the things that I. I do comes from just chatting with people and deciding to do something about it.

00:44:39

James Redenbaugh: You get that primo artisanal trauma.

00:44:43

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

00:44:45

James Redenbaugh: Nice. Lucky you.

00:44:50

Audrianna Jacques: Trying to find more people who have a shared experience, make it less boutique. I went to a boarding school. I got sent to a boarding school in a third world country for a year and a half.

00:45:02

James Redenbaugh: Wow.

00:45:03

Audrianna Jacques: That's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's come out, you know, there's documentaries, and there's a documentary about my school specifically on Amazon prime, you know, so just telling this the story from another mouth to continue to bring awareness to that, you know.

00:45:23

James Redenbaugh: Wow. Awesome.

00:45:27

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

00:45:32

James Redenbaugh: I was a part of a spiritual community that my mother was a part of that kind of fell apart, and I got to witness the whole falling apart of it. And then a documentary came out about it called How I Created a Cult. And I was like, wow. Oh, yeah, it was a. Was definitely a cult. Yeah, that was definitely a cult that were all in. How. How interesting.

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Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. I feel with my experiences and what I've seen. I feel like cults are really like a natural evolution when it comes to spirituality. You know, it's like, so mirroring of our own disempowerment and giving somebody else that power and thinking like that, oh, they'll do it. They'll do like the heavy lifting for me. And then part of our own spiritual maturity comes from discarding that model, you know, so you had a leg up early on in life. You got to experience that. And I tell, like, you know, I meet people who are like, oh, they're like, afraid. They're like, oh, that's a cult. Like, don't study that, you know, And I'm like, once you've been in a cult and you know how it works, it. It kind of rolls off you a little bit, you know.

00:46:54

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, you're like, yeah, it's kind of cult mentality.

00:46:57

James Redenbaugh: You're. You're immune, you're not fall into it.

00:47:04

Audrianna Jacques: Exactly. Yeah. It's an immunity.

00:47:07

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I. I noticed that in the same way that we have individuals have gifts and abilities, and we also have shadows and trauma and, you know, toxic patterns, the same kinds of things play out in groups, but we have less language for how to talk about it. So, like, cults usually have, you know, they're like, you know, and often they have, you know, a charismatic person at the center of it who kind of embodies the whole thing, but not always the thing itself could. Could be where you know, there's these bright qualities, there's these, you know, this beauty, this creativity, or this access to spirit. But then there's these deep, unintegrated collective shadows where everybody has decided together not to look at certain things, you know, or to bypass certain things. And it just. I don't.

00:48:21

James Redenbaugh: I don't think I know of any, or I know very few examples where groups are actually able to stabilize in a holistic way. You know, they either just become so diffuse that they don't really persist or they, you know, implode and they come in on themselves because they start thinking that they're so much better than everyone else, or they have this magic thing or, you know, and then they're projecting onto other groups and having toxic relationships with other groups. And I feel like we've got to figure that out. This century of, like, how to heal our own as individuals. And then, like, how do we even start to deal with group dynamics? Intergroup dynamics. Inter. Intra group dynamics.

00:49:22

Audrianna Jacques: Right.

00:49:24

James Redenbaugh: Processing collective trauma as well.

00:49:29

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. I used to live in. I lived in a 40 plus person community in California that didn't have enough of a charismatic leader to really be a cult, but there's definitely cult mentality that existed there. And my. I was there with my ex, and he was there for longer than I was. And he. He said he would always say a community is as healthiest as its sickest member. And just how, like, you know, if somebody wasn't able to contribute or, you know, was really creating a lot of drama, that. That was like, at the core, that's what. Where the health was reflected. And so. So I think, like, in some ways, there's benefit for us being on these individual journeys right now and being outside of community to really develop ourselves. But we will need to relearn the village.

00:50:28

Audrianna Jacques: You know, I saw somebody recently post on social media that she's like, you know, she's like, do you and your friends have that dream of buying the property with all of your friends and, you know, like, cooking together and building things together and raising kids together? And she's like, that's the village. Like, if it's a. That's. It's wild that. That's our pipe dream.

00:50:50

James Redenbaugh: That.

00:50:51

Audrianna Jacques: That's Millennial and Gen Z's pipe dream, when that was just all that existed, you know, outside of the rule of the king, whatever the ruler. But I think that we have to. Well, yeah, I just think that's the natural evolution. We broke away from that. We're on these solo journeys, and once we start to get to that place where we. We have looked at things within, then we can start coming back together and relearning how to exist in that.

00:51:22

James Redenbaugh: Exactly, exactly. And, like, we all. I don't really meet people anymore who don't want that, so it's so desired. And I really thought that I would see more examples of it by now.

00:51:39

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

00:51:39

James Redenbaugh: And there's so few. But I think we're gonna. I think we're gonna figure it out if we don't blow ourselves up before then.

00:51:51

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

00:51:52

James Redenbaugh: Because there's this deep desire to return to that. And. And in returning, it's also. We'll be doing it in ways that have never been done on the planet. But so much of that village mentality and village consciousness was paved over literally, you know, and removed. And, you know, were told that commune is bad is a bad word and.

00:52:23

Audrianna Jacques: Right.

00:52:23

James Redenbaugh: We need to desire these nuclear families and, you know, and don't trust your neighbor. Put up your fence and.

00:52:30

Audrianna Jacques: Right.

00:52:31

James Redenbaugh: Exist on these squares near a strip mall where you buy all your stuff. But our souls don't actually want that. You know, we want to be interdependent but it takes a lot of learning because in a way I think it's totally true. I facilitated these community co living experiences for a lot of years where we would bring groups together and intentionally practice, you know, being together for shorter periods of time, but living together, creating together, working together, eating, you know, growing food, things like that, iterating that model. And it's so true that the most toxic member of the bunch just can spoil everything.

00:53:25

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, but we need to figure out how to get to a village model where there's going to be the drunk guy, you know, there's going to be the child, there's going to be the teenager who hasn't figured their shit out. And, and they can't. You know, a healthy model has space for that and it doesn't hold the whole group back. And maybe it just, you know, it has to be enough people and you have to have enough diversity. Yeah, but we need, we also need space for people to come in and heal, you know, and get over their, and you know, some people are just not going to be right and you need boundaries.

00:54:16

James Redenbaugh: But it was always such a tragedy when somebody would come into these little pods of like 12 people and they were just like not able to get on the same level as everyone else. But we can all feel the potential like something, you know, we're all humans figuring this out together. Anyway, this is a, a very tangential thought, but it's village building. If I were to pick one term is what I'm most interested in this life.

00:54:52

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

00:54:54

James Redenbaugh: And if I were to pick two terms, it would be temple building and playground building. For, for villages, for that.

00:55:06

Audrianna Jacques: Physically, physically building it both.

00:55:09

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, physically and digitally and relationally, you know, co creating spaces to connect to the sacred and spaces to connect to play and fun and our bodies, you know, and things like that and having them be one in the same as well.

00:55:31

Audrianna Jacques: That's interesting. First, I just want to say, have you ever read or listened to the audiobook of the Fifth Sacred Thing?

00:55:42

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, probably like 12 years ago, but.

00:55:46

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, yeah, same, same. I, I, I think I've listened to it actually twice on audio and it really gives a fascinating kind of perspective on living in community. And that piece with like the people who healthy, those of us who are healthy want to contribute and if somebody isn't, then they, then that's what they don't. And it's not for us to like Pressure them, because they would if they wanted to. If they were healthy, they could, they would, but they can't, so they don't, you know, that type of thing. But I'm really interested in, like, so you said. Because I want to circle this back to kind of this. This list that I have here, playgrounds and temples within communities. I feel like it'd be interesting to include that in, like, in this process that you're in. Of developing the.

00:56:45

Audrianna Jacques: What was the term you used? Qualities. The qualities of these roles to maybe even like to include yourself in that brainstorm so you can continue to get more specific on, like, how. Where are you in these roles, you know, and to start to visualize that as you. As you're taking some of these excess things that you've taken on, as you're placing them to continue to like, hone in on. On what exactly you want to be contributing, you know.

00:57:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And I feel like I. I've gotten really clear in the last few years this intention to create temples and playgrounds and kind of remember my temple builder self and. And my playground self. And it brought me like, back into architecture and back into starting to do architecture projects and like, reawaken that. And I can see how all the projects we do are that, you know, like, they're all. For these sacred clients. They're all digital temple spaces in one way or another or digital playgrounds or kind of interfaces for the relational playground. But I haven't explicitly brought those intentions back into the design of Iris. And the first thing I wrote on this paper and also the. The first thing I did today before getting into this, I wrote stillness slash emptiness. And.

00:59:13

James Redenbaugh: And I meditated today, which I've been totally neglecting my meditation practice for. Yeah, for a bit. And it's all just reminding me, like in some way or another, I need to bring that back to the center, which is tricky because I don't. I don't want to exclude clients or team members that, you know, that don't meditate or. Or meditate in a different way. I don't like. Rumi says ways of worshiping are not to be measured as better or worse than. Than one another. And I don't want to be, you know, a cult in any way. But maybe it just for myself and maybe I just need to start with myself. I need to have, you know, maybe my studio be more of a temple.

01:00:45

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:00:47

James Redenbaugh: This week I brought like four big bins of junk out of my office, like things that I thought I might need when I Moved in here that I have not used. So I just like moved it all to the basement, all these art supplies and old books and stuff, and got rid of this big shelf that was back there and cleaned my desk off. And, you know, it still looks quite. There's still. I could probably do four more bins, but it's feeling good to just empty it out. And I designed. Have I showed you my desk ever?

01:01:20

Audrianna Jacques: I know. I just. I saw the kitty on. By the window. Oh, no. What is this?

01:01:25

James Redenbaugh: This is part of my desk. It's like, really big.

01:01:28

Audrianna Jacques: Okay. Yes.

01:01:29

James Redenbaugh: This side goes off to a big lazy Susan, I'm hearing, so I can spin.

01:01:35

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:01:36

James Redenbaugh: And I have these sheets of paper that like, fit into the donut so I can kind of move along.

01:01:43

Audrianna Jacques: Oh, cool.

01:01:44

James Redenbaugh: The wheel of time, huh? And then over here, it's very messy, but it like, extends.

01:01:53

Audrianna Jacques: Oh, wow.

01:01:53

James Redenbaugh: Ten feet in that direction and it kind of splays out so things that are more linear can go over there.

01:02:00

Audrianna Jacques: Huh. Huh.

01:02:05

James Redenbaugh: And I. I think I'm realizing I. My intention has always been for it to be like a temple and a sacred space, but I never. I don't really treat it that way enough. I never fully finished the desk. Like, I. It was taken so long that I put on here, and I haven't actually put the finishing touches on it, and I didn't get the lazy Susan quite right. And maybe that's holding me back, you know. Anyway, I feel like I'm rambling.

01:02:49

Audrianna Jacques: Well, it's. It's some of these. Some of these little things. I mean, that's. That's one of the. The main things we've been talking about and all in all of the calls that we've had this weekend last is that there are definitely really big things that need your attention, you know, that are pressing in priority. But I. You said something, I think, on the last call that, you know, as you're preparing for your wedding and then preparing to bring children into the world and adjusting how much time you're. You're spending on the computer doing the things for the business that, like, you. You're gonna be. You're preparing for a life that involves more time doing creative things with your hands, like, and.

01:03:37

Audrianna Jacques: And other physical items that aren't the digital world, you know, and so what I'm hearing with that, with those comments is that like, that. That's kind of where that's. That's a real thing that you can just start doing in a super simple way that, you know, as any project does, it will Lead you to investing more time in doing things with your hands, which sometimes, like, it's. It's exactly what we need when we are spending our lives on the computer working. You know, it starts to open up all those other doors because those are acts of meditation.

01:04:13

James Redenbaugh: Mm. Mm. Yeah. You know, beautifully said. Thank you for reminding me of that.

01:04:25

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, yeah. And this piece of, like, bringing meditation into the center. What. What came to my mind is because it sounds like you were maybe suggesting that, like, you're spending team time. Like, the team has that piece in the center. It has the meditation piece and. Yeah, I hear you. It's. You know, I have. I have some clients, and when I get on and they want to, like, guide me through a little practice before we. We do our. Our business together, you know, And I love that because I'm always down for something. Makes me feel a bit more centered. But something that could be incorporated is to just sit in silence, you know, sit unmuted in silence with eyes closed. And that's not that. I mean, we.

01:05:26

Audrianna Jacques: We know from years of meditation, that's how all meditation really begins, is just stop doing things, close your eyes, be with it. But it's the first couple minutes sometimes of that silence, it's going to regulate the nervous system. If their mind is going through all of the things, some of those things are going to be on the group, and that's beneficial too, you know, and it starts people from just a little bit of a more like, parasympathetic place in the meeting.

01:06:05

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:06:08

Audrianna Jacques: Those two confused. Whatever it is, where you're more relaxed.

01:06:12

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. Most of the time when I work with clients, in the beginning at least, I ask them to lead some kind of meditation or practice, and it's always wonderful to have that. But I realize I never do it with the team. I never hop on with the creatives, and. And I'm like, let's take two minutes to be in silence. But I think that would actually be really great. Even though, you know, we always have so much to do, and I don't want to waste their time.

01:07:02

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:07:03

James Redenbaugh: I think we get a lot more done with that simple practice.

01:07:10

Audrianna Jacques: It's two minutes, you know, that's just like when we're negotiating with ourselves, just meditate. Just five minutes. Just five minutes is better than no minutes, you know?

01:07:20

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:07:20

Audrianna Jacques: Silence is powerful, you know, especially with some of these super cool app. The app that you're building, you know, in that. In that space, I think that's. Yeah.

01:07:33

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:07:36

Audrianna Jacques: So for. For the. The. The team kind of team building process that you're in. How are you. I'm. I'm curious visually, how are you going about this? Is this also the. Are you. Right. Writing it down? Are you building it in the. What is it? The air table?

01:08:04

James Redenbaugh: I think I need to spend some more time with pencil and paper and I feel like there's. Yeah. Like I just need to iterate this and find the. This structure that makes the most sense. Feels like there's a symmetry in here that's coming together that will be helpful. And then I think airtable is the tool that can best facilitate the collection, at least because it's adaptable enough to, you know, it can be a place where we. We're already using it to organize all our projects and initiatives and team members and things like that, but we can also use it to start to catalog all our processes and protocols and SOPs and stuff like that, as well as organize resources, tools.

01:09:41

James Redenbaugh: And then what's great about airtable is we can connect it to our webflow site and create a more beautiful window into all of that content. But for now it's a good canvas for just chunking these things out. I don't know if it'll be one big base. They're called like airtable bases or four different ones, but probably has to be one. One big one because all these parts interrelate.

01:10:23

Audrianna Jacques: Right.

01:10:26

James Redenbaugh: But I'm really seeing that it's going to be worthwhile to get really tangible about all of these pieces, really explicit. It's a little daunting. And if it's an Airtable, we can also train an AI on the whole thing who can play roles in the organization, help us out.

01:11:09

Audrianna Jacques: Well here kind of like. So let me make sure I have this right. So we started with the archetypes and then you said more structural pieces of the puzzle, like the qualities. And I, I'm guessing that like the next stage of this will be the doing like what's included and what do they mean, what do they. The tasks that they're signing up to do. Right. And so I would love to see how like visually how the three of those kind of go together. You know, if it's like each role at the end, like the most specific version, which would be like, you know, what are they doing that each role has like maybe a graph of their. How much of an archetype they are, you know, and then to also see it in like the like.

01:12:34

Audrianna Jacques: I think it's probably the way you have it like drawn out right now, like where they're placed in. And like I use restaurant terms like front of house, back of house, you know, external and external. You know, who really needs to know what the clients need. Like the client manager, art director, where they sit kind of like in relationship to everything. And let's see. So that would include. And then, yeah, to be able to look in depth, like, what does that individual's role look like on a day to day? What, what boxes are they needing to check on a daily basis or they needing to check.

01:13:27

Audrianna Jacques: Even if it's like for the creatives, you know, they have, theirs is going to be changing, but I think based off the project that they have, but I think for these other roles they can have, they should be able to have like even like a connective tissue role. If they're primarily to be the liaison between the clients and the creatives or to create that kind of the team cohesiveness. Like maybe their check, their daily checklist is like, you know, talk or their weekly checklist is they need to talk to everybody on the team. You know, they need to have some kind of, they need to also gather some kind of information from them. You know, like how stressed are they about something or do they have something upcoming that they're gonna, they're predicting they may need to take some time off of.

01:14:30

Audrianna Jacques: Are they having a hard time with money? Do they want to be working more? Things like that, you know, and some of them like, you know, I'm like looking a little bit into the future here on this, James. But some of those elements, the ideal person is going to take the bones of the vision for them and really flesh it out, you know, so you'll say, hey, you know, for the client manager, the one who's managing, who's more representing his advocate of the clients. Right. So you may give them some things, but you want to see that like they're the ones who are sending out the email for their, the client's birthday. You know, like they take things and they really build out on them.

01:15:31

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And they have a structure to work within, to do that. You know, if they want to invent a new process, they know where to put that process and in a way where the whole company can benefit and future team members can benefit. Yeah, I'm really seeing how these different things interrelate and how any role. So we have like team processes, resources and project organizations and any role is going to have their processes, their resources, their place in the team structure and their projects that they're working on.

01:16:36

Audrianna Jacques: Right, right.

01:16:42

James Redenbaugh: There's no role that isn't involved in all of those four parts.

01:17:01

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah. And once I think once we have this kind of like, map, I'm. I'm thinking about like a map, you know, of. Or a key. A key. A key to the map for the team. Then. Then you're really looking at the other processes, like gathering the information from potential team members and the clients. Right. That's kind of like how I see, like, the flow of this going. It's like depending on. Develop the map, develop the key to understanding, like the team that we're bringing in, and then we develop the system for evaluating people that we're considering. That you're considering for those roles. Right. Like, we'll, you know, to ask them questions to find out where they're at in the archetypes and really get kind of like that honest response from them and then say, okay, based off this, where do they really.

01:18:18

Audrianna Jacques: Where do they land?

01:18:22

James Redenbaugh: Totally cool.

01:18:29

Audrianna Jacques: Out of that. Yeah, that. That feels super clear. So go ahead.

01:18:41

James Redenbaugh: Nothing now. I'm excited to keep sketching on that.

01:18:49

Audrianna Jacques: Cool. So then in the last couple minutes, I think we're. Yeah. Got a little bit of time still. So I'm curious of. Of the things like we've been talking, like really big picture future structural elements, but in what you're doing right now on a daily basis.

01:19:15

James Redenbaugh: Bring.

01:19:15

Audrianna Jacques: You're going to bring back in meditation, you're going to try to get to some of these more smaller physical projects to integrate in all of the other stuff that you're doing. But is there anything that you're currently working on that you can delegate or that you can shift? You know, that's really in your mix, you know, in the stack of things that you're. That you're working on, whether it's projects or whether it's the management of something, you know.

01:19:55

James Redenbaugh: Definitely, definitely there's. I mean, there's a lot that I would love to be able to delegate that we're going to need the right person for. And like, there's ways in which I want to bring in Emily and things that she. That I know that she can be really helpful with, but I also know that she has some of the same dispositions as me. Like, she's. She's a lot more organized and proactive, I think, but she's also a procrastinator like me, and she has similar kind of time blindness. She's a great organizer, but. And, you know, she also doesn't have a ton of experience in Digital production. But in the short term, I need to just delegate as much of the creative work that we're doing as. As I can.

01:21:13

James Redenbaugh: So we're starting to work with this other team in Germany and giving more things and trying to make it easier for. To leverage ally support for Incosovo. And I really want to talk to you about this. This client called Village Builders, who's created this app called Alex. And they need a lot of support with their social media.

01:21:47

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:21:50

James Redenbaugh: Or. I don't know. I don't know what a lot is, but they could definitely use help with their. Their socials. Could we talk about that for a minute?

01:22:02

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, let's do it.

01:22:04

James Redenbaugh: Can I share my screen?

01:22:06

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:22:14

James Redenbaugh: So here's their website. First of all, Village Builders. Speaking of village building, we made the brand and the website this year. They love it. They love it. A lot of really cool stuff. Great colors, fonts, neat collage art. Super interactive. And they're building this app to help people build stronger bonds, to help them better understand their relationships with others and how to create community and overcome any blocks that they have to develop the kind of friendships that are most fulfilling. The company's called Village Builders because ultimately, like. Like were talking about, they. Their mission is a world where everybody has their village of people to support them and grow with. But this app is kind of targeted at, you know, people in a new chapter, you know, maybe neurodivergence that struggle with connection.

01:23:45

James Redenbaugh: You know, young people that are digitally isolated from our media world don't know how to connect with real people. And it's a chat interface that asks lots of questions and offers responses. And then there's also a kind of a visual way in which it will interact with the user. And we're helping them to. To figure out that. That interface and. And how it's actually going to work. And so they've been sharing lots of great content on Instagram, but obviously it's like, struggles with design. And I have just kind of started consulting with them on how to make these a little better. You know, simple things like font consistency. They've come a long way from over here, definitely improving, but they don't have, like, a solid. You know, I'd love to generate some templates for them to use. And I'm not a social media expert.

01:25:09

James Redenbaugh: I think that they could definitely benefit from some advising. And so I'd love to weave you into this process, into this project, if you're up for it, and not sure what that looks like for you. They're in Our monthly model, they're doing like 2k a month with us, so we're trying to move a couple different initiatives along every week and it's been a kind of slow the last couple weeks. So I'm, I want to pick it up next week and you know, do a lot more for them. I feel like there's a lot of low hanging fruit with their social media. Their main goal right now is they're going to be doing fundraising.

01:26:03

James Redenbaugh: So it's not so much about growing a huge following, although that would be helpful, and more about presenting kind of the breadth and depth of the thinking that's going into the tool that they're building for potential investors. So yeah, thoughts, questions on that.

01:26:27

Audrianna Jacques: Looks great. I think I remember them from when we took kind of a tour through the current projects that you have. So yeah, main question would be, so is it better for me to come in somewhere within their monthly. What they're paying you monthly, they're paying Iris monthly or is it better to work with them outside of that?

01:26:52

James Redenbaugh: I think ideally come in and work inside. If the, if we need to expand the budget to do more quickly, we can definitely talk to them about it. But I'd love to team off, team up and offer more social support within Iris.

01:27:21

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, great. So then maybe you know, my rate, maybe within their budget you can identify like how many hours of investment that you'd like from me, you know, within where you're paying all the other creatives. So like how much of their payments can you allocate? And then I can kind of give you an idea of what I could do within that if it's like on a monthly basis. And then if that works for the overall vision for them, then I can, you can whatever works for connecting me with them, whether it's us doing a meeting together or you know, you just delegate the content for me.

01:28:14

James Redenbaugh: Can you give me like a high level sketch or sentence of, of what you could do as like a first step with like 10 hours of your time, something like that?

01:28:29

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, yeah, I'll give you a high level right now and then I can give it to you more specific. I'll think about it on my seven hour drive today and then give you a little bit more specific clarity. But so 10 hours is. I could definitely get a good deal of templates for them. I also would really. What. One of the, one of the things that I feel is really important for social media is to give them strategy and Coaching to have conversations with them so that they can really see and get inspired and get excited. So I would like to do at least like three coaching sessions with them and then I could probably within that 10 hours also do at least one video, if they have any type of video content to get them set up with like a good reel.

01:29:32

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

01:29:36

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah.

01:29:39

James Redenbaugh: Okay, great. Awesome. Well, I'm meeting with them today and so I'll check in and gauge their interest, but I imagine that they're gonna be excited and then we can make a plan. When you're back from Zion. Is it just the weekend?

01:30:00

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, I'll just do that for the weekend and then I come back on. Probably driving back on Monday.

01:30:06

James Redenbaugh: Cool. Wonderful. Great. And I'll be excited to team up with you on the templates. And do you use figma?

01:30:28

Audrianna Jacques: I have it. Is it wonderful to use.

01:30:33

James Redenbaugh: Check it out. It's pretty great. I mean, if you're familiar with, you know, Illustrator and other tools like that, it's not too dissimilar. It's not as like you can't do as. I still use Illustrator for precise vector creation and illustration, of course, and stuff like that. But. But Figma is great because it's fully collaborative and live. So it's great for social media templates and things like that because the client can get in there and change things and export stuff and, you know, we can have shared files that we add to over time that stay updated and we can define brand variables and styles like fonts and colors and stuff like that to pull from. So we use it on every project. And they actually just announced yesterday. They're.

01:31:36

James Redenbaugh: They have a new tool where you can design your website in Figma and then just push it live. And so it. We can actually create whole sites in Figma.

01:31:45

Audrianna Jacques: Amazing.

01:31:47

James Redenbaugh: Which we might start doing for some client. So that's pretty cool.

01:31:51

Audrianna Jacques: Boom. I'll check it out and. And then do you want to set the time that you and I drop in about this and. And. And all the other things? Sometime next week?

01:32:06

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Do you want to meet on Monday? Could you do. You're two hours ahead.

01:32:22

Audrianna Jacques: I think I'm three.

01:32:24

James Redenbaugh: Three hours.

01:32:25

Audrianna Jacques: I'm on Pacific right now and I'm in Arizona. We don't time change.

01:32:29

James Redenbaugh: Oh yeah. Cool. Could you do like 1pm on Monday?

01:32:35

Audrianna Jacques: 1Pm my time or your time?

01:32:37

James Redenbaugh: Your time.

01:32:38

Audrianna Jacques: Let me think.

01:32:44

James Redenbaugh: Or I'm gonna put.

01:32:45

Audrianna Jacques: I can put it in for Monday. That day I will be. I have to find out what time really. I'm leaving Zion, so. But I can put it in as a tentative and probably let you know in the next day or so.

01:33:02

James Redenbaugh: Let's just do Tuesday at 2pm if you can.

01:33:07

Audrianna Jacques: Yeah, Tuesday at to my time. Yeah, your time. Okay, cool. I can do an hour on Tuesday.

01:33:17

James Redenbaugh: Okay, great. You want to send me an invite?

01:33:21

Audrianna Jacques: Yep. Let's see. I'm. Plug it in right here. Tuesday, 19. Cool. Okay. It should be sent to you now. The invite.

01:33:32

James Redenbaugh: Awesome. Have a great drive and an awesome time in Zion. Drive safe.

01:33:41

Audrianna Jacques: Thank you.

01:33:42

James Redenbaugh: I'll talk to you next week.

01:33:43

Audrianna Jacques: All right, Sounds good. Thank you, James.