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Marlene: Morning.

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James Redenbaugh: Hey. Good to see you guys.

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Sarah: This meeting is being recorded.

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James Redenbaugh: How are you both?

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Sarah: Very well. And you?

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James Redenbaugh: I'm good. It's cold here.

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Marlene: Yeah, you look like it.

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James Redenbaugh: Freezing. I didn't want to turn the heat on, but I probably should. Wow. Like winter.

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Marlene: Do you have,.

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James Redenbaugh: I don't know, Outside? Outside, it's. It must be warmer outside than it is inside. It's 56 outside. In Fahrenheit. I mean, in Celsius. I don't know what that is.

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Marlene: Yeah.

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Sarah: Know what that is.

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Marlene: But it says 13.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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Marlene: It's not too cold.

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James Redenbaugh: Not too cold. But last night it got as low as 41. Fah.

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Sarah: So.

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James Redenbaugh: Not far from zero.

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Marlene: That's true. Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: And so the house must still be cold, so hopefully it warms up soon.

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Marlene: Yeah. How are your cats doing?

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James Redenbaugh: They're doing so good. I've got a. I've got them all to myself over the weekend. Emily's in Virginia, and we're bonding. And they're big now. They're fully grown and.

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Marlene: Oh, wow.

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James Redenbaugh: Running around all the time. I love them.

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Marlene: Looking for someone to play.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, they always want to play. How are you guys doing? Happy spring.

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Marlene: Yeah, really nice spring weather here for.

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Sarah: Spring to be 20 degrees.

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Marlene: Something.

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James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

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Sarah: Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: Mm.

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Marlene: Really great.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah.

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Marlene: Yeah.

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Sarah: And Elizabeth, I believe, is coming.

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James Redenbaugh: Oh, here she is.

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Sarah: Great.

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James Redenbaugh: Hi, elizabeth.

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evolve Magazin: James. Is it snowing?

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James Redenbaugh: Feels like it, but it's. It's just very cold in the house.

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evolve Magazin: Sorry to hear you've had. You've had such trouble with your teeth. Oy.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Yeah, that was. Teeth are teeth. These are rough. I had to have two root canals.

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evolve Magazin: Ow.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Oh, and I've got to go back this week. Oh.

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evolve Magazin: Oh, yikes.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: I used to love the dentist when I was little because he always had a. He had a drawer full of. Of fake jewelry and all kinds of stuff for kids.

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James Redenbaugh: That's how they get you. They don't. They don't let me in there anymore.

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evolve Magazin: They don't do that for adults, which is a shame.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. What the heck? All I get is a crappy toothbrush.

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Marlene: Oh, I get nice ones there.

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James Redenbaugh: You guys have better. Better everything over there in Germany.

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evolve Magazin: Better health care. You get a good toothbrush.

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James Redenbaugh: How are you doing, Elizabeth?

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evolve Magazin: Good, good.

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Sarah: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: I saw some beautiful pictures of you guys on the Danube.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah. Wasn't that nice?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah. Beautiful event.

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James Redenbaugh: Awesome. So what brings us here together today?

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Sarah: Oh, we're very excited about building a second tier or second level of membership for the monastery and what that might entail.

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evolve Magazin: And.

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Sarah: A big part of that Would be this potential that we wrote a little about to use your platform instead of Circle. Because a lot of what we want to do, and it's both the thinking of Elizabeth and Marlena and also we've just been doing a bit of a survey with people to hear what they're interested in. And it's really clear that what people name as this next would be appealing in this next level is a stronger sense of community. A space that they could use themselves. Like another room that's accessible to them to do spontaneous practice sessions in. Chances to chat like is possible in Circle now or get in contact with each other. These more informal community aspects as well as more like short courses or study groups or things like that. But there's a clear emphasis on the community aspect. So yeah, community.

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evolve Magazin: Community space and a place for people to self generate like engagement circles. You know, like I'm reading this book, it'd be great to read it together. Or I really want to talk about the relationship between spirituality and the climate catastrophe and how does that help? So anybody wants to talk about that, come join me here as well as, you know, we're offering a four session investigation of poetry as a spiritual practice or something. Things like. Like that. So gathering self generated, you know, creative self. Yeah, self generated circles of some sort. And offerings are what we'd like to build out too.

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James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

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Marlene: Which makes me also think to speak about the communiverse and how to continue with that or if that can work together or not. Right.

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Sarah: Yeah. Or if the platform that you're working on can take over.

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evolve Magazin: I think that would be the hope.

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Sarah: That would be the hope that that becomes the communiverse.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah, yeah.

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Sarah: And how that can then be integrated into the monastery page.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah.

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Marlene: And then when we are done with that, I have a long list of little nitty gritty things where I just need James to do speak about with. So I take occupy this. Me. I want to occupy this meeting also. Yeah. Let's see. I only have time until quarter to four. I don't know. Let's see. There's a bit of time. A quarter to five.

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Sarah: Yeah.

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Marlene: A quarter to five. Yeah. And I have until 4:30.

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Sarah: Yeah.

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Marlene: There's a bit of time. I would like to address some issues around that.

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evolve Magazin: Cool. I was thinking. I was thinking about you, James, today because I was watching a video on Flow, which I'll send you.

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James Redenbaugh: Cool.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah.

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James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

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evolve Magazin: How do we begin?

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James Redenbaugh: Why don't we begin? I can show you what I've been building so you could, you know, have a sense what we could do for you guys. So we've been putting a lot into this for the Hollow movement. And I'll just walk you through real quick some of the. The functionality so you can get a sense of things. Users, when they sign up, they create a profile, they're taken through a set of questions. We can ask whatever we want here. They upload a picture, we ask questions about purpose and what they're seeking and offering their work, the domains that they're interested in, tags that they're interested in, they can then subscribe either for free or they can offer a monthly amount or an annual amount. And these sliders, you know, actually create a subscription, which is cool. This is something that we've talked about for a long time of pay what you want solution. And it works with Stripe and PayPal. And then when somebody first creates their profile, it. It takes a minute because it actually. We have several intelligent processes that run automatically. And if I had changed my answers, those things would have run. But it doesn't just take what I've put what I've answered in the, in the prompts and put it on my profile. It actually will go through and analyze things and it will summarize things. So, like it, it's created this tagline for me based on what I've shared. It's simplified my seeking and offerings and added these tags which are helpful for matching. And it even creates a banner image for you.

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evolve Magazin: Wow.

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James Redenbaugh: This was generated based on my, you know, my responses to the profile creation. And if I don't like it, I can edit here and, and regenerate it based on my profile information, or I can upload my own banner and I can also edit any of the content here, change the tags, define different skills that I want to showcase here and things like that. Change my location. If I change my location, it'll automatically find me and update the map over here. So that's just profile creation. You can also see this triangle down here. This is an assessment we've created and this takes users through. I don't know if we would ever want something like this, but I'll just overview it real quick. It asks users to rate these statements based on how much they resonate in these nine different domains. And then based on their answers, it plots them on this triangular graph between answers that are more grounded, visionary, or integrative. And it's not meant to be like one is better than the other. It's more kind of exploring perspectives, obviously.

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evolve Magazin: It's so Jamesian.

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James Redenbaugh: It's very Jamesian.

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evolve Magazin: So Jamesian,.

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James Redenbaugh: I'm pretty integrative. But it generates these different archetypes and then we're actually going to use this for matching on the platform and that's what we're. I'm actually going to launch a beta version of that today and that will show me the whole network and who in the network is kind of most similar to me and who has the most complementary. Assessment and also who's closest to me, proximity wise. And it'll kind of put everybody on this field and then I can go deeper into anybody and it can analyze our similarities and connection and even suggests agentically points of connection and how, you know, me and this person could collaborate. All meant to induce connectivity and connections and Holon creation on a platform. So we can. Oh, I see Sarah's gotten in here. You didn't fully fill out your profile yet though. That's fine. That's great. Sarah's in here. No, she's not in here twice, but yeah, we can see users on the map here on the globe. I can switch to a nice flat view if I want to see things this way as well. I wish we had a Dymaxon projection, but we don't have that yet. And then. Very cool. We have Holons. So this speaks to the circles that you were talking about. Anybody can create their own Holon and invite other members to it. I. There's a wall here where we can post things to the Holon page. We can see the group here. They'll literally form a circle with our purpose in the center. And I'm an admin here, so I can, I can manage this. I can invite other members. I can kick members out if I want and obviously change description and images and things like that.

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evolve Magazin: Can I. May I ask you something?

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: How many. How many people are bad like Sarah and don't fill out their whole.

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James Redenbaugh: Their whole profile right now? She's the only one. Well, it's. We're just beta testing it so far. So everybody on the platform has been invited to create a profile on the platform. So she actually, I think, is the only one right now.

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evolve Magazin: Because it's quite an intense process, but it's also for a different kind of thing. So we need to think about.

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Sarah: Yes.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So this is to show you what's possible, not what you guys should have. So what's great about this thing is now that we've figured out how to do all these things, it's also, by the way, built onto webflow. So the. All the front end that we're look, that we looked at is a webflow website that we have full control over. And we're not using Member Stack, we're not using really anything. We're not using Outset, we're not using Odoo, we're using webflow, we're using Supabase, which is like an incredibly versatile database.

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evolve Magazin: You're not using the other database, Air Table. Air Table.

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James Redenbaugh: No. Yeah. We could use airtable. You know, we could sync. And.

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evolve Magazin: But is the one that you're mentioning similar? It's the adjective you used made me think that it, it's like airtable and it's, it's kind of openness and that you, you. It's like an open spreadsheet that can do anything.

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James Redenbaugh: Yes. It's very much built for developers though. So I'll hop into our project here. We see these different tables. You know, it's not user friendly. I wouldn't use this to mint as a CRM, for example.

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Sarah: Okay.

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James Redenbaugh: But I would use this to build a custom CRM with a custom interface. So, you know, most people aren't going to want to go in the back end here and, and mess with things.

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evolve Magazin: Our, our back end is not going to want to go into the back end either.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah, but it's so much easier to use this as the back end and then have a front end that can function as a back end. So you saw me editing the Holon, you saw me editing a profile. We could create the same kind of interfaces for editing courses and managing users. We can create admin accounts so that people can, you know, log in and help others with their accounts and their subscriptions and, and subscriptions and payments are all handled via Stripe or PayPal. So the, you know, the financial admin would happen in those, in those apps.

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Sarah: Okay, so could it be, could it.

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Marlene: Be related to airtable? Would that be difficult or would that. Because we still have that and we don't find time to think about that at the moment.

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James Redenbaugh: But yeah, yeah, both Supabase and Airtable are compatible with Whale Sync. So we can, there's lots of things that we can do between airtable and. Supabase. I think is just a question of what's priority. But we can even import members into this. We could export members from the community, import them into a platform like this and then send them custom invitation and say, hey, you know, we've, we've moved. Here's your platform. All you have to do is sign up here and, and your profile is already connected and the things that you have access to are Already connected over here. It's extremely, extremely versatile. The challenge is everything is fully custom. You know, it's not, it's not plug and play right now like Circle where I couldn't. Push a button and, and tweak some things and you know, turn features on and off. It's, it's relatively easy to customize this functionality and we're building new things for it all the time. And as we build things for it, those things will serve all instances of it. So, you know, we're working on the, we kind of put the learning management system on the back burner, but we made good progress on that. And as we build that out, anybody using the system who needs a learning management system can use a similar thing. And as we add quizzes to the lms, then anybody can have a quiz. And also there's the possibility of. Teleportation and like profile teleportation and course teleportation where, or bilocation and trilocation I might say, where you could be running a course in the Inter Being Monastery that's also running on the Hollow Movement platform. You could have a group in the Inter Being Monastery that's a group there, but it's also a Holon in Hollow Movement or elsewhere on another platform. And those could, you know, there's this possibility for cross pollination and affiliation that goes beyond linking where things can actually run it the same way at the same time. And profiles can even be connected and synced. So I have a profile over here and information about me and it's updated and synced with my profile over here. So that's another downstream effect of this that we're excited to build.

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evolve Magazin: So what, what if, if I'm in a Holon and we have a, in real time meeting, what does that look like?

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James Redenbaugh: So that we haven't built into this yet. But it would look, you know, it would be an evolution of what we have in, in the chapel or it would be on Zoom, you know, or it would be. Anything that, that serves the group. So the, the video platform that we're using in the, in the meditation chapel is one of these components that can integrate with the larger system. So it would look like that, except you know, we could have more profile information in there, we could have a chat in there and other features alongside the live video.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah, because I think that has been the bumpiness. The problem with Circle has been that it didn't actually work well to have people say okay, we're going to have our, we're going to have a Meeting now or tomorrow at 3 and it's in this holon or this group. And it didn't work. The sound was off. I mean, we had one problem after another which really rapidly diminished people's willingness to engage with it. And that would be a main component of what we're looking for. That people can, that I can start my poetry. Poetry is a spiritual practice group and, and yeah, we can set up times to meet. And I click a button and we're. We're in.

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James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Are you, are you speaking about Circle or about the Meditation Chapel?

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evolve Magazin: The Meditation Chapel is. Seems to be working fine, right?

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Sarah: Totally. We don't speak in there. There was some. It was not the dialogue. The regular meditators prefer to meet in Zoom, to do the dialogue following the meditation and just meditate in the chapel. So I think,.

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Marlene: Yeah, just to add to that, overall it works really nice because we say a few words at the beginning and sometimes there for some reasons that's not working with some people. But we don't know why and how. But it's very, very rare. And just to put that in here also because I had in mind, I really want to tell you how inspired people are by the Meditation Chapel. All this resistance at the, at the beginning, maybe you heard that why do we need to change and all of this. But now we had minimum 3, 4 dialogues after the meditation in the morning. How inspiring it is to be in that surrounding. Yeah, it's really awesome. Really something.

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evolve Magazin: It really feels like something to be there.

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Marlene: Yeah.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah.

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Marlene: And people get that. And this is this. These are the 60 plus guys.

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James Redenbaugh: Great. That's so cool. I'm glad to hear.

00:27:59

Marlene: But the technical issue is a very small one and I'm quite, not quite sure if that is more related to technical issue of oneself or to Daisy Co. I, I don't figure. Didn't figure that out yet.

00:28:14

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And you know, Zoom, being a multibillion dollar company is always going to do certain things better than, than what we put together with something like Daily Company. But all these platforms are always evolving. So you know, it's, it's worth looking again at, you know, what is Zoom capable of now? How could Zoom be integrated into this? And also look at, you know, what's the latest in Daily Co and, and also is there a video platform that's doing something better at this point?

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evolve Magazin: Actually it's interesting. Do you, did you participate at all in the second Second Renaissance online conference? Because I was really surprised. They, they used Zoom to set it up to register people to hold a Schedule to open rooms and things. When. When they were. Yeah, when it was time for the. The next event, the Zoom. The Zoom room would automatically be open. So it seems that Zoom has a whole capacity to do courses or, Or. Or conferences on. On its platform. Yeah. I was like, whoa, what's. Where are we? We're in Zoom. This is interesting.

00:29:57

James Redenbaugh: Interesting. Yeah. I haven't. I'm not surprised, but I.

00:30:03

evolve Magazin: They have enough money now. They could do anything they wanted.

00:30:07

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:30:10

evolve Magazin: It's like having a Zoom account is almost like having a phone.

00:30:14

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. I'm glad I got my Zoom room number locked in.

00:30:25

evolve Magazin: But most people don't seem to know that you can do that.

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James Redenbaugh: I don't know if you can anymore. They probably don't make it as easy as they used to.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah, we have. We. No, someone made it for the. The practice space.

00:30:46

James Redenbaugh: Oh yeah. Custom number.

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evolve Magazin: Yeah. Did you set that up, Sarah?

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Sarah: Yeah, it's.

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evolve Magazin: And you made up the number?

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Sarah: Yeah, it's. Yeah. Still possible.

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James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:31:05

evolve Magazin: Yeah, we should. We should check that because that, that could. That. That could save. Could make things easy.

00:31:16

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. That's a number that people can remember. That's helpful.

00:31:22

evolve Magazin: Yeah.

00:31:22

Marlene: And I, I'm also. From the bookkeeping back office perspective, it's also easy not to have too much different tools. Someone has to have an overview and has to take care of all the different ways of access and invoices and all of that. So if we can stay with somehow what we have. Zoom or Daily Call.

00:31:45

evolve Magazin: Yeah.

00:31:46

Marlene: Would be also. Is also one criteria.

00:31:51

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

00:31:55

Sarah: I wonder. I'm not sure if this is the best approach, but I wonder because for us, in some way we hope that this was done yesterday. Like we're really ready for this next level. And I wonder if it would be interesting to think according to what you already have with your platform, what could we already do now? And then what would be the aspects of what we would like to do that still have quotes, I mean, still development time on them that still require the platform itself to be built just to have a sense and maybe sketch a plan.

00:32:43

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So there's a lot that we're building into and testing rigorously in the Hollow Movement app leading up to. To their conference, which is happening in like 31 days from today. So we're in kind of a sprint getting things working for them because we want all the conference goers to use it before, during, and after the conference.

00:33:14

Marlene: And.

00:33:18

James Redenbaugh: At the same time, there's already two other clients that were using this technology for tailoring it to them. And so we're in the midst of, Of evolving the means of, of replicating this and having the. The core functions function across multiple platforms at once, while the front ends will be completely unique. So what we will need to do is, Is design the front end for you guys that fits what we're doing in, in the monastery. And that's, you know, design and development and page building. And then here's one of our kitties, by the way. All right, darling?

00:34:41

evolve Magazin: Got a hat on?

00:34:43

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, sweetie. The does the design and the development of the pages, the plugging in of the technologies, and then also, you know, any customization of the technologies functions that we want to incorporate. So it's not, it's not overnight.

00:35:14

Sarah: No, of course.

00:35:17

James Redenbaugh: But there also are, you know, there are some things that can happen faster than others. And also like. Where, like the other day I wanted to use a similar thing to what we're building for my own task management. I'll show you something just real quick. Part of the platform. What is that I didn't show you is we've built a project management system into the app so we can track different features across pages. We've also built a, a bug tracking functionality so users can request features and report bugs, which is very helpful. But I wanted something similar to this system that I built over here for myself. Even though we have a, you know, a project management system that I've been working on, but I managed to replicate the functionality of something like this on my own site in a number of hours to play with my different tasks and projects. And I wanted to see things across time zones here and plan my day and my week and things like that. And it's. It. It can happen very, very fast. Another example, Elizabeth. We were part of the same magazine issue for Artists of Possibility.

00:37:40

evolve Magazin: Uhhuh.

00:37:43

James Redenbaugh: And I built this for that in a weekend.

00:37:48

evolve Magazin: I remember. I love that thing.

00:37:51

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And so this uses the same map engine that we're using on the, on the app platform, but it's, you know, populated by this database. It's actually an airtable connected to Supabase. And I did this in like 30 hours over the weekend. And you know, we have these profiles and it's not, you know, there's no login, it's not a membership thing, but it's using some of that, some of that functionality.

00:38:36

evolve Magazin: You said something that triggered something for me. Oh, app.

00:38:45

Sarah: Yes, the same trigger.

00:38:51

evolve Magazin: We should, we should get an interbeing monastery apparent.

00:39:00

James Redenbaugh: So yeah, all of this can be converted into a real iPhone app, Android app. That process gets easier and easier, less expensive, I should say. But it's still, it's still a hurdle. It would still be a difficulty. And as soon as you have that, you also have two systems to maintain. You can have. They can share a back end database. So I have a profile I can access via an app or via a web app on the website in a browser. And they would be the same profile, but if we make a design change or add a new page or a new feature, we would have to do that in. In webflow and in the custom code and then also in the app, which is more. More tedious. App building is definitely more tedious than web page building, but I very much think of these things as apps because they, they are web apps now. They function as applications, but so far they're running in the browser.

00:40:41

evolve Magazin: Okay, cool. Yeah. I think we need to think through and I don't know if. I don't know, I guess we need a team or a couple of us to try to work this through how to, how to take the existing pages of the, of the monastery and add these personalized events and add access for virtual monks and nuns. Yeah. And yeah. See.

00:41:32

James Redenbaugh: What.

00:41:35

evolve Magazin: I think that we need to give people creative access, you know, and ourselves too, to be able to offer more in there. And all that needs to be on a video platform. That for us is probably the most important thing. Easy to use video platform. And maybe for the time being, Circle is the right thing.

00:42:18

Marlene: Did we stay with that for now?

00:42:20

evolve Magazin: Yeah, we redesign it in some way so that when, James, when you're at that point, we can pull out Circle and put in your daily cause or whatever it is platform. I would imagine that they have. I have not looked at Circle in a long time. And actually, Sarah, I should give you access to it. Do you have access to the back end of Circle?

00:42:58

Sarah: No, not at all. That's a good idea.

00:43:02

evolve Magazin: You and Manon probably could. Could really dig in there because I, I would imagine that they have spent some time in the last few years when I haven't paid attention to it improving their, their video capacities.

00:43:21

Marlene: Now that was one of the issues while you were thinking about the new tool because Circle doesn't have the video.

00:43:29

evolve Magazin: Yeah. Okay. The. The video kept the, the sound was off the. Yeah, just. Yeah, it didn't.

00:43:39

Marlene: Oh, yeah, yeah, now I remember. Yeah, now I remember when we tried to meet there. Right. Yeah.

00:43:44

evolve Magazin: Okay. Because it actually, if you read a description of it, it would be perfect. It'd be just fine. But it didn't work. So it made people really frustrated and not. And there was also something tricky about who could open a room and so forth. It.

00:44:15

Sarah: Not so intuitive.

00:44:17

evolve Magazin: Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't. Yeah, it didn't, didn't quite make sense. Do you don't know anything about the back end of Jeff's community site, do you, James?

00:44:34

James Redenbaugh: I mean we built it a long time ago on, on WordPress.

00:44:41

evolve Magazin: Is that still confusing?

00:44:44

James Redenbaugh: I think so.

00:44:51

evolve Magazin: Because I know he's got this capacity for people who are members of his community to be able to set up on their own video meetings basically regularly scheduled. And I think that's also somehow. That's all or may just be a Zoom link is where. He offers, you know, his lectures and Q and A and that sort of thing for different member groups.

00:45:39

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So the mystery school is definitely on WordPress.

00:45:46

evolve Magazin: Uh huh. I wonder where he's plugging into that.

00:46:01

James Redenbaugh: I don't know.

00:46:04

Marlene: And do you have experience with. With this daily call which we use in the meditation chapel with, with this, using it for that too?

00:46:18

James Redenbaugh: Yes, we can, we can put that into anything.

00:46:24

evolve Magazin: Yeah. It can be a grid like this rather than circles or it can look more like Zoom or less like zoom.

00:46:37

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. And I wonder if we could even, you know how we used to embed something, some tool into Circle. If we could embed the chapel into Circle for now.

00:46:58

Sarah: And then also embed Circle into the monastery.

00:47:04

evolve Magazin: Yeah, that might be, that might be better. Because.

00:47:12

Sarah: Because we want to use the monasteries, the front door to all of this.

00:47:17

evolve Magazin: Oh yeah, yeah,.

00:47:21

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

00:47:25

evolve Magazin: It should, that should be possible. They were working on that I think a couple of years ago they said they created that like put Circle into your website.

00:47:44

James Redenbaugh: Mm.

00:47:46

Marlene: Because that would mean that we don't have then that payment per minute. Right.

00:47:51

evolve Magazin: Yeah, yeah. Their registration, their membership, their. That was all rough. We had a really. We had a hard time with that and I think it's, it's. And then the interface with member stack was like. That was a painful process.

00:48:15

Marlene: Yeah.

00:48:16

evolve Magazin: I think we still have people who are lost in there. Yes.

00:48:20

Marlene: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We still have.

00:48:22

evolve Magazin: I'm in the universe somewhere. It just flew past another galaxy.

00:48:29

James Redenbaugh: Universe exploration is dangerous. The final frontier.

00:48:35

evolve Magazin: Right.

00:48:37

Marlene: Yeah. But there's less. But there's still a bit going on. There are only two, three people like Thomas Gronau and Tobias and so on. But I never heard any kind of technical issue around that.

00:48:52

evolve Magazin: No. Once they get in. Well, that's because for Thomas Gronow, I let him in free for, you know, just open the gates and let him in. If yeah. If there's nothing in the way it works. Okay. I think that they've also improved the customizing capacity. So I. Yeah, it might be. It might still be a good solution or a good solution. In the meantime.

00:49:30

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. We should look again at what's going on there and how things have evolved and what we can do to bring circle up to snuff. Until we can more easily replicate what we want to keep from that and. And move people over, which will be. A lot easier to do a couple months from now than. Than it is today.

00:50:16

evolve Magazin: Yeah, I mean, like, they're. There might be spaces in the communiverse that we would want to have replicated. Like, we might want to have a library where people meet to talk about books and your science group meets there and things. And the private chapel, it would be just for members only or paying members only. And then open. Open, you know, sort of different rooms with different names, like the Hildegarde Bingen Room that you can just open yourself. Or there's a schedule that you can say, I want to be in this room. Just like in a monastery. Where. Or any. Any seminar center. If. If. Or like in a hotel where they have the. The Lincoln Room, the Washington Room, the Jefferson Room, you know, all these. The Trump Ballroom.

00:51:34

Marlene: Don't take that.

00:51:35

evolve Magazin: No, we don't want that one. But that you can schedule it. And then you'd be able to have your group meeting there or something.

00:51:48

Sarah: And you kind of book it for them.

00:51:50

evolve Magazin: Yeah, you book it. You book it. And then it'd be available to you at that time.

00:51:55

Sarah: Yeah. And where the. Probably at least to begin with, we only need actually one room.

00:52:02

Marlene: Yeah. I was also wondering about that. Not to have too much rooms. We have the chapel, we have the practice sanctuary, and then have one or two more. Because people get confused. They are not thinking, especially on the virtual way they are not thinking like, this is for that. This is for that.

00:52:23

Sarah: I think it's. Yeah. One bookable. Yeah, one bookable to begin with.

00:52:29

evolve Magazin: Yeah, yeah, one. One bookable room and maybe two that are open.

00:52:36

Sarah: Yes. That could.

00:52:38

evolve Magazin: You know, in an open one, there could be one that is. That is like we had before a lounge or just a hangout area. But we need to figure out how to call that the bar.

00:52:56

Sarah: In the.

00:52:57

evolve Magazin: Monastery, the wine bar in the monastery.

00:53:01

Marlene: Or the beer bar.

00:53:03

Sarah: Yeah, exactly.

00:53:05

evolve Magazin: Yeah, it's like this is. The monasteries are the ones that created all the wine and beer.

00:53:09

Marlene: Yeah, exactly.

00:53:11

evolve Magazin: That was how they supported themselves.

00:53:15

Sarah: That's how we should fundraise.

00:53:18

evolve Magazin: Yeah.

00:53:19

Sarah: Virtual beer.

00:53:21

evolve Magazin: Virtual beer and wine.

00:53:25

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Byob.

00:53:30

evolve Magazin: Bring your own bottle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:44

Sarah: So it seems like the next step is to. Is for us to come up with a MVP for the second tier.

00:53:57

evolve Magazin: Huh.

00:53:58

Sarah: Is that like a description, a basic description of what we want for this.

00:54:04

Marlene: Yeah, for this mvp.

00:54:06

Sarah: Yeah. I learned it from Jameson and Elizabeth. Minimal viable product.

00:54:12

evolve Magazin: Viable product.

00:54:14

Marlene: Okay. Okay. Yeah.

00:54:15

evolve Magazin: That's the least that we can do to really launch this.

00:54:18

Sarah: Yeah, exactly.

00:54:20

Marlene: You don't want.

00:54:22

evolve Magazin: Needs to be enough that it feels like a different. Something new is opening and there's possibility in it and not like, oh, it's just another zoom room.

00:54:31

Sarah: Is that all? Yeah. And like, not too much that we can.

00:54:39

evolve Magazin: People get overwhelmed.

00:54:41

Sarah: Yeah.

00:54:45

evolve Magazin: What would be so super is if you could walk down the hallway and go into the. Go into the different rooms.

00:54:52

Sarah: That would be awesome. Then you would get less confused.

00:54:58

evolve Magazin: Yeah. It's like. No, it's a second door. Okay. All right. Got it.

00:55:02

Sarah: But actually, this sounds kind of silly maybe, but one of the graphics that you made is a kind of map, like an architectural drawing. And people love this.

00:55:15

James Redenbaugh: Oh, great.

00:55:16

Sarah: So I actually think it would make sense to update that with a real. Like how we actually do envisage all these rooms in a physical. Even if that you can't virtually do it, but just in your mind. You see the map actually, it really stays with people.

00:55:37

evolve Magazin: That's super cool. Because we should use it then. I think that's really good information.

00:55:44

James Redenbaugh: I designed it with that in mind. It has the spaces that we've talked about.

00:55:50

Sarah: Yeah. But I think.

00:55:51

James Redenbaugh: And some could be, like, under construction, you know, Exactly.

00:55:57

Sarah: Like the ballroom. Yeah.

00:55:58

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Donate. You know, donate to support this nave. Yeah.

00:56:07

Marlene: The brewery.

00:56:08

Sarah: Yeah.

00:56:09

evolve Magazin: Oh, dear. I just. Anyway. Yeah, that could.

00:56:14

Marlene: Okay. Looking at our time.

00:56:16

Sarah: Yes.

00:56:18

Marlene: Sarah needs to leave. More or less. I have one question which I would talk about and where I would be happy if you can stay Elizabeth, for that.

00:56:26

evolve Magazin: Okay, cool.

00:56:28

Sarah: I will sneak out and if I take the lead on this mvp to try to send a draft to you, you guys. And then that makes sense.

00:56:39

evolve Magazin: Great, thanks.

00:56:40

James Redenbaugh: I'll send you the. The notes from those calls.

00:56:42

Sarah: That's fantastic. Thanks a lot.

00:56:45

James Redenbaugh: Great.

00:56:45

Sarah: Cool.

00:56:46

James Redenbaugh: No problem.

00:56:46

Sarah: Thank you.

00:56:47

James Redenbaugh: Good to see you, Sarah.

00:56:48

Sarah: You too. See you soon.

00:56:49

Marlene: Thank you, Sarah.

00:56:50

evolve Magazin: Bye.

00:56:50

Marlene: Bye.

00:56:51

evolve Magazin: Bye. Bye.

00:56:52

Sarah: Bye.

00:56:54

Marlene: So the topic I would like to bring up is as we are now working. Manon took over to rework our web page, text wise and also functional wise and user experience wise. And one big thing is as we have. The main content is in German. And one big Question is about could we change or is there any difficulty if we change the main language to German because we have so much German pages. They are then. And they need, as far as I understood, as we have the English language as the main language, we need to bring come up with all pages in English and then the English pages are retranslated into German and that doesn't make any sense. So we need to create new German pages. And as the most pages we have, it would be more easy for us to do it other. In the other way around to have the German pages first and then translate those whom we want to have in English into proper English.

00:58:11

evolve Magazin: And also create new pages in English where there isn't content in.

00:58:16

Marlene: In German.

00:58:18

evolve Magazin: In German. Yeah.

00:58:19

Marlene: Yeah.

00:58:20

evolve Magazin: And so this makes it kind of impossible.

00:58:22

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, good questions. So I need to look at the, the feasibility of locale switching because when they launched this functionality, it was really difficult to do this. You wanted to pick the language, you know, the primary language that would stay primary. It may have become less difficult, but it's also less, maybe less necessary. Because what we can do now, I figured this out just the other day is I have a custom script that will determine a user's location and then feed them a version of the website based on their location. So we could have it so that the page automatically directs to the German version. When the user is in Germany or Austria or Switzerland or Luxembourg. And and otherwise shows them the English version if they're outside of those domains. And of course they can switch between if they, if they choose. And, and we could make it so some pages only have one of those versions. So But a page that's just in German, for example, I think should Autumn like we should probably have all the German pages have a slash DE at the end, even if the user doesn't have to put that in. So let's say we have evolved world.org German page. It's only in German and if the user goes there, we could just have it automatically redirect to the German version. And so you know, when you're building the page, the content can all be in German. We don't need to create an English version of that. We'll just have not no language switcher accessible on. On that page, it'll default to German. Similar for English.

01:01:11

evolve Magazin: Okay. So I think the tricky thing is. So for example Evolve magazine obvious problem. So the default should be German, but it should not translate into English.

01:01:30

Marlene: That's the thing. It's not the user that the language changes for the user.

01:01:35

evolve Magazin: Yeah. Because if it changes into English, then people think that the magazine is available in English. And then they go, but all the titles and everything written about the magazine is in German. And this is. I'm trying to get it in English.

01:01:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So we can have.

01:01:55

evolve Magazin: We need a whole different page that says there, there are, you know, here's how you can access articles, not the magazine in English. So it needs to be a completely different thing in process.

01:02:11

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. So we could have it. So if somebody's exploring the website, they're on the English pages and they go over to the magazine page, then it automatically switches to German and a little pop up that comes up that says, you know, Welkeman, this is a German language magazine that we produce in, you know, in Germany. In. In German, if you're interested in the English content. We have these articles that are translated, but, you know, this page is in German now or whatever we want to say just to make it clear to the user that, like, it's not just suddenly in German for no reason.

01:02:59

evolve Magazin: And that could be, that could be cool because we were. Marlena had this outburst that was, it was amazing, saying, why don't we just claim that we're. We're English speaking and German speaking and it's not. Shouldn't be a shock when you come across a language that isn't yours.

01:03:17

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah. And even on the homepage we can have parallel content. You know, like one of those books that's translated poetry into, you know, one language and the other together. You could have some pages that have. If they're simple pages, why not have both, you know, expose each other to each other's languages.

01:03:47

evolve Magazin: Yeah, that would be a cool project to figure out which pages should be both because the homepage could be a good page to be both. Yeah, evolve, evolve. Live is a. Is a good, good for both also.

01:04:00

James Redenbaugh: And you know, people are curious, like, what's the. If they don't speak German or what's the German word for this? And maybe Germans are curious too about English because it's evolved world. It's not, it's not evolved.

01:04:15

evolve Magazin: Germans already speak English really well, but they just are panicked about. About not being perfect in it.

01:04:22

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:04:25

Marlene: That they need to speak this all the time.

01:04:27

evolve Magazin: What they need.

01:04:29

Marlene: They need to speak this now all the time. If they are able to.

01:04:33

evolve Magazin: Well, actually, you go into the grocery store and you, you know, it's special, this extra large. This. It's all these English words. It's like. Anyway, the other thing is we would like to change the homepage and we would like to have the homepage have a calendar on it.

01:04:57

James Redenbaugh: Cool.

01:04:59

evolve Magazin: And is there a. Because people don't know how to orient and how to find the events that we. The events, the courses. It's like where is it in here? And if we had a clickable calendar, that would be tremendous. Is there one that works in Web Go webflow?

01:05:23

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, we've already built. Yeah, we already have something that we can basically evolve on the page. We build a calendars CMS in there for the inter being monastery. So we can just make that work for the. The site as a whole.

01:05:52

evolve Magazin: Are you using. Are you using airtable to kind of hold the. Hold the data and when it's updated it automatically updates or.

01:06:04

James Redenbaugh: I don't know if air table is connected to the. To the calendar right now, but it can be.

01:06:12

evolve Magazin: Because if we could have. If you update it on the site that it automatically updates on the calendar, that would be tremendous.

01:06:22

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. You mean.

01:06:25

evolve Magazin: Yeah, the homepage calendar, they're just like. Okay.

01:06:32

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, totally.

01:06:34

evolve Magazin: Okay, good, good, good.

01:06:38

Marlene: So in case of the language, we will figure out which pages should be only in German and which should be only in English. And then we start to work with this idea of pop up windows and stay with the language. With the English as the main language or as the foundational language, so to say. Because before we make all this mixed up. And then we have English or I don't know how you call that when we speak English.

01:07:12

Sarah: English.

01:07:13

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Great. And I have a developer I've been working with for the last year, designer and developer who can be a big help with this, who's in Frankfurt.

01:07:30

Marlene: So really? Wow.

01:07:33

evolve Magazin: Does he want to visit? He can visit. We can.

01:07:37

James Redenbaugh: He should come visit. He's a super sweet guy, Andy. He has his own team that he works with. We've done a number of projects together.

01:07:47

evolve Magazin: Is he German?

01:07:49

James Redenbaugh: He's German.

01:07:51

evolve Magazin: Wow.

01:07:52

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, I met him through.

01:07:55

evolve Magazin: We'll have him for cake and coffee.

01:07:58

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Wait, I think he's in. Frank, he might be in Munich. I forget.

01:08:07

evolve Magazin: But Munich's not far and I'm some somewhere.

01:08:11

Marlene: Your perspective is all the Frankfurt area.

01:08:13

James Redenbaugh: Yeah.

01:08:16

Marlene: Could be also Brussels or Cologne.

01:08:18

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Uhhuh. I. I think he's actually in Munich now that I'm remembering. We were working on a project for a client in Frankfurt.

01:08:27

evolve Magazin: But Mike's right.

01:08:28

James Redenbaugh: He's nearby.

01:08:30

evolve Magazin: Mike can be our ombudsman. Our. Our liaison.

01:08:34

Marlene: Yeah.

01:08:34

James Redenbaugh: Great. Great.

01:08:36

Marlene: Yeah. Okay, so I will come up and look into your calendar and ask you for another appointment. Not next not this week, but maybe next week with all the other little nitty gritty thing. I think if we have another 30 minutes, 45 minutes, then we are done with that.

01:08:52

James Redenbaugh: Okay, great. Yeah, you can the. I have if, if you don't need 90 minutes, the same link, you just type 50 or 60 or 30.

01:09:06

Sarah: Okay.

01:09:07

James Redenbaugh: And it'll find that time for me.

01:09:09

Marlene: Yeah.

01:09:10

James Redenbaugh: Great.

01:09:11

Sarah: Thank you.

01:09:13

James Redenbaugh: Great. Good to see you both so much.

01:09:15

Marlene: Yeah, thank you.

01:09:17

James Redenbaugh: And, and see you on the, on the third. There's something.

01:09:22

evolve Magazin: Yeah,.

01:09:24

James Redenbaugh: Yeah. Great.

01:09:25

evolve Magazin: Good to have you.

01:09:26

James Redenbaugh: Awesome.

01:09:27

evolve Magazin: And Emily and Patty.

01:09:32

James Redenbaugh: Yeah, See you guys.

01:09:35

evolve Magazin: I haven't responded to her. It's been, it's been crazy, but.

01:09:39

James Redenbaugh: Oh, I bet.

01:09:40

evolve Magazin: Give her my love.

01:09:41

James Redenbaugh: I will. I will.

01:09:43

evolve Magazin: Give them both my love.

01:09:44

James Redenbaugh: Okay, see you guys. Ciao.